Brad Wachtel: “Might be time to pull the plug”
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Hes been very complimentary of pike and the program, he has no ill will. Him saying a team with a NET near 100, q3 losses and an awful resume is extremely unlikely to make the tourney doesnt exactly express hate
Eugene O did. He legitimately could barely dribble as a freshman
Fans, oh boy, just read our board … often soaked in nonsense and dripping with negativity ignorance. Sure there are real issues but let’s not ignore obvious progress. Perhaps we should have listened to those Stoney Brook message board genius fans 🙄
I guess we should have stayed the course with EJ and erase the last 10 years. SMH.
What does pull the plug mean with 16 games left ? Stop playing. Forfeit 16 games ? His tweets have always been annoying and always an extreme unnecessary knock on Rutgers. He gets caught with so many tweets that bite him in the ass.
Right now is all anyone cares about, as it should be.
What obvious progress are you referring to…..Not the last 3 years?
That’s a long time.
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This isnt complicated. He means pull the plug on ncaa tourney hopes
He’s really going out on a limb there. Those hopes have been gone weeks (maybe months) ago
So stop being an ass and just say so ! Everytime he tweets about Rutgers it’s never framed in a positive light and the negative tweets are over the top. Does he comment about teams like that ?Never. !!!!
Why in the world should he say anything positive about a horse’s ass year?
Measured journalism doesn’t exist, it’s bias, while over the top is consumer friendly, plus they lie regularly.
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I think Geo and Harper, Jr might disagree
He’s very good at player development and defense. He’s not as good at X’s and O’s, specifically on the offensive end, and managing the portal
Geo's game regressed the last couple of years but it did develop from where he started. The statistics show that. I would put JY on that list and a few others. EO was another. Did they reach their potential is the question. 9I don't know just suggesting that is the real measurement and it belongs to player too).
Numbers don’t show Geo regressing, though he did flatten out.
You can never really know if a player reached their potential but Geo definitely overachieved relative to what we was ranked as a recruit.
He was also very injured his last season and had at least an ankle injury the one prior IIRC
Ron Harper Jr for sure. He was a player that continued to get better and better. Perfect example of a diamond in the rough recruit and develop success story. Caleb too, although more defensively. Gio was a great player and made great contributions here, but I am not sure how much his offensive game ever grew. His first year he had some dagger level drives to the hoop and took over games late from deep. We never really saw that again. Regardless, the recruit and develop model is now obsolete.
ok, I'll give you that. Better term except he finished pretty much where he started and was extremely consistent year to year. But that was in response to a comment about player development.
I'm not sure Geo's game developed from where he started. From three he shot 36 and 34% his first two years and 28, 30 and 33% his last three years. His free throw percentage and rebounds per game average were as bad or worse his senior year as they were any prior year. Harper, no argument.
I’m glad this thread has devolved into ripping/downplaying former players.
Something that Schiano said at a coaches huddle about 20 years ago comes to mind. Schiano was asked about a remark an announcer said during a prior game & Schiano responded that most sports announcers are former coaches who got fired & could not get another coaching job, so they became announcers whose job is to question employed coaches. There is usually a very good reason why they are announcers & not coaches
I don't think this is true, but he probably did have a streak close to 20 misses though.
He got better in areas that are not seen on a scoresheet. The average fan can’t appreciate a lot of what happens in a game. He was also asked to do more and became a focus of other teams. Additionally guys get dinged up etc. looking at the stat line doesn’t really show anything. Geo got better every year imo.
I'm just talking his career in total. I don't think he ever had a run that poor of 1-50.
I still think Geo's scoring from year 1-4 wasn't a big improvement - just looked up his stats.
10.8ppg vs 12.6 PPG. 3pt % went down, free throws % went down.
Ron Harper Jr. has steady offensive improvement YOY based on me checking his stats.
7.8 PPG to 15.8
FG, 3pt free throws all up YOY
You are absolutely correct with this one.
He had a very brutal stretch at one point early in his career but nothing like that agreed
You’re correct, it was junior year.
He had a brutal 2nd half of the season.
Could have been bad shoulder related,
Prior to the last couple of years, I always thought Pike’s talent was finding undiscovered talents. I thought his development of those players pretty average, they had a jump from year 1 to year 2 in the program, which is to be expected, and then they largely plateaued after that. I have to admit I am surprised he has struggled so much in the portal this year, given what I thought.
He had a horrible, horrible stretch that season (it wasn't 1/50 but it might've been like 3/50) but he also started the season super hot. He ended up shooting 31% for the season from three which is not good but is also not like brutal horrendous level. He followed it up by shooting 40% his senior year and finished his career at 34% overall.
(He also had a bad shooting freshman year at 28%).
RHJs junior year:
0/3 the first game, then
5/9
1/4
5/8
5/8
5/8
4/10 (25 for 50 at this point)
then a DNP (presumably the injury @zappaa mentioned? I don't remember)
then
3/8
1/4
1/4
0/5
2/6
1/5
0/6
0/4
0/2
0/4
0/3
1/4
0/4 (9 for 59 over this stretch including 1 for 27 in the last 6 and 2 for 32 in the last 7.. down to 31% on the season)
then
4/7
0/4
3/7
2/6
0/1
0/6
2/5
Weird year.
0/3 the first game, then
5/9
1/4
5/8
5/8
5/8
4/10 (25 for 50 at this point)
then a DNP (presumably the injury @zappaa mentioned? I don't remember)
then
3/8
1/4
1/4
0/5
2/6
1/5
0/6
0/4
0/2
0/4
0/3
1/4
0/4 (9 for 59 over this stretch including 1 for 27 in the last 6 and 2 for 32 in the last 7.. down to 31% on the season)
then
4/7
0/4
3/7
2/6
0/1
0/6
2/5
Weird year.
This is kind of the problem right? Finding undiscovered talents at the high school level and getting multiple years to coach them up is a really different problem from finding them in the portal IMO because both:
(1) It's harder for them to be undiscovered.. as much as the NEC is not the Big 10 it's a lot closer than high school is so if someone is putting up huge stats they're gonna be noticed and
(2) you get less time to leave your mark on them, and even if you are successful they might just jump again
I think Pike's development of players if probably underappreciated because he develops them more defensively. While a lot of players are flattening out on the offensive side they are still becoming better defenders; see Caleb of course for the prototypical example but also Cliff, Mag before he crapped out, etc
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