Bucs shouldn't have fired Schiano

[rutgersal]

The problem all along was the players, not the coach. No coach could win with Josh Freeman, yet Schiano was saddled with him for his two years there. Rather than releasing Schiano, they should have released the overpaid players who were under-performing. Had the Bucs kept Schiano, he likely would have drafted Bridgewater, and the Bucs would be on a positive trajectory, instead of the mess they find themselves in. The idiotic Tampa Bay Media and unsophisticated fans vilified Schiano all because of the crying that the underperforming Tampa Players did. Fast forward two years and the Bucs are roughly in the same place, with the key difference being, they now at least have a franchise quarterback in Jameis, rather than that stiff Freeman.

Today, Schiano finds himself in a good place, professionally. He is in the last year of getting paid $3M by the Bucs to do nothing, and just became the DC for Ohio State. This should put him in a good position to be a head coach of a good college football program within 2 years.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Completely agree - he didn't have a QB worth a damn, so what was he supposed to do. Bet he's sitting down right now laughing his arse off at the whole situation.

 

[Upstream]

I'm sensing that RutgersAl should change his name to SchianoAl

 

[mildone]

Schiano's in a potentially good place. If OSU does well next year (and if he stays, the following year as well), then he will probably land a good HC job somewhere. OTOH, if OSU suddenly struggles defensively (i.e. they lose 3 games or more), even if it's due to the loss of so many starters, then the OSU job might prove to have little positive impact on his future.

As for Tampa Bay - I agree they shouldn't have fired him. But he also shouldn't have been a d-bag down there (which he himself admits, in not so many words). I suspect he will wind up coaching in the NFL again at some point and will do better next time.

 

[j10oreo]

The Bucs are turning their franchise into the coaching career graveyard. I think firing GS put an unfair stigma to his reputation, and everyone jumped on it. Things were starting to look better under GS, but then he was released. Lovie started off slow, but things started to look better and then he's released. IMO releasing Lovie shifts blame away from GS's ability as a coach and puts it squarely on Tampa as an incompetent front office.

 

[masice520]

I felt he really got a raw deal there, but so did Lovie Smith. 32 egotistical owners desperate to win yesterday results in these way-too-early firings that seem to occur more frequently and in bigger volume every season.

 

[RU76]

Bucs should have fired their GM when they fired Schiano's predecessor. Instead they hired Schiano who in effect worked for a lame duck GM who deserved the blame for crappy drafts and personnel decisions before Greg got there. When Schiano was fired he went out with the GM. Now the new GM already has a problem if whomever is hired doesn't win in two years. Two bad hires and he will be gone. Meanwhile, the owner is imune fron all this.

If the offensive coordinator (forgot his name) is retained as head coach one has to wonder what intrigue took place out of the public eye to undermine Smith. Given what occurred during the last 5 years the Bucs needed stability and discipline but those traits are nowhere to be seen.

 

[RUchip]

And the Browns shouldn't have fired Bill Belichick. Oh well

 

[FanuSanu52]

Schiano's in a potentially good place. If OSU does well next year (and if he stays, the following year as well), then he will probably land a good HC job somewhere. OTOH, if OSU suddenly struggles defensively (i.e. they lose 3 games or more), even if it's due to the loss of so many starters, then the OSU job might prove to have little positive impact on his future.

As for Tampa Bay - I agree they shouldn't have fired him. But he also shouldn't have been a d-bag down there (which he himself admits, in not so many words). I suspect he will wind up coaching in the NFL again at some point and will do better next time.

I think he's definitely in a good place, no matter what next season brings. He still has a resume with HCing RU's turnaround and NFL HC experience, no matter what happens. Coaching at OSU gets his name back out there in a high profile, national spotlight kind of way. It's hard to imagine OSU's D being so abysmal as to hurt his overall rep. His new position seems about as close to "all win" as you can get in the coaching game.

 

[rubaseball78]

He should have gotten a 3rd year. If bucs don't blow a couple early games who knows what might have been.

 

[yellowlot]

I said it at the time as well. He was turning the corner the Glennon, and had changed up his personna with locker room. Much closer than people think. I think GS's next head job will be a monster. I did want him to come back, but now it is all about supporting Chris.

 

[lighty]

All I know is this definitely hurts the argument so many around here pushed that Schiano flamed out massively in the NFL.

Most college coaches struggle in the NFL and very few succeed -- yet many pretended Schiano was the first to fail.

Lots of people hated Schiano so much they wanted to be "proven" right about him. With Lovie "failing" too, it's hard to put Tampa's problems on Schiano alone.

 

[RUich]

When Greg abruptly left RU and went to the Bucs, I was on a cruise. Since I didn't go through the ship's pain in the ass internet system and was out of touch.When I got off the cruise in Florida wearing my Rutgers football shirt, I was approached by a guy who started right in with me about GS. After finding out what had happened (which I was truthfully shocked), he asked me what I thought. I told him that GS had a very short fuse for BS and that he would definitely be in the players' faces if he had to be. Since it was considered that the Bucs really had a problem with the team being out of control, he seemed like the new sheriff in town. Well, we all know what happened and he certainly made some huge mistakes...but, my understanding was that he was being hired, at least in part, to get the house in order.
I agree that there is really a problem in the front office and both GS and Smith were getting better results as they moved forward. There is a pretty good player base in TB right now and the next guy up will not be getting an empty cupboard situation. If they give him enough time, he may reap the harvest started by Greg and continued by Smith.

 

[MADHAT1]

Greg became to controversial to stay.
He was a disciplinarian and kept his college style of coaching instead of adjusting to the pro players they were expected to ajust to him.
When you're winning that's considered good coaching, losing makes it the opposite and players
start complaining.
When the fans turn on you and the media goes after you, expect the owner to replace you unless
you go deep in playoffs.
Tampa has only had 2 HCs with winning records since it became an NFL team in 1976.

 

[mildone]

All I know is this definitely hurts the argument so many around here pushed that Schiano flamed out massively in the NFL.

Most college coaches struggle in the NFL and very few succeed -- yet many pretended Schiano was the first to fail.

Lots of people hated Schiano so much they wanted to be "proven" right about him. With Lovie "failing" too, it's hard to put Tampa's problems on Schiano alone.

I most definitely did not and still do not want Schiano back at RU. We need to move forward and I think he demonstrated that he was a good program builder, but not the guy to get us to the next level. Not sure Ash will be that guy either, but at least he hasn't yet demonstrated an inability to do so.

But I don't hate the guy and I think he has a decent chance to do well in his next head coaching job. I just don't think the RU position is the right one for him (and I suspect he feels the same way).

 

[NickKnight 1]

Oh great, the last thing I needed the first thing this morning
was another thread on Greggie walking out on me.
(Willie Nelson)

 

[yesrutgers01]

Just because the Bucs still suck- doesn't mean Schiano earned any more time there.

 

[WhiteBus]

Schiano got fired because his agent was stupid. Almost immediately after the Bucs ownership gave Schiano public support for another year, his agent floated his name for the Penn State job. He was fired the next day.

 

[yesrutgers01]

WB- don't disagree there. But shows a serious flaw with Greg and his agent. It's almost like they feel he is with the elite guys that could get away with that and found out the hard way he isn't at that level. And yet,?it hadn't seemed like he learned from it until finally taking this job by Meyer.

 

[BoroKnight]

Schiano lost that Bucs locker room after about three days. Can we stop this obsession already? He coached here, did well for a while, then left. Enough.

And for those who mocked people who would have accepted Al Golden because "nobody else wanted him," how did Schiano's head-coaching interviews go?

He'll do fine at Ohio State, get another job and then -- maybe -- we can move on. Finally

 

[NickKnight 1]

Schiano lost that Bucs locker room after about three days. Can we stop this obsession already? He coached here, did well for a while, then left. Enough.

And for those who mocked people who would have accepted Al Golden because "nobody else wanted him," how did Schiano's head-coaching interviews go?

He'll do fine at Ohio State, get another job and then -- maybe -- we can move on. Finally

We can only hope:smiley:

 

[RUinPAC10land]

Yea, the guys that got Schiano fired are pretty much bad football players. What a shame....

 

[Kbee3]

Can we stop this obsession already? He coached here, did well for a while, then left. Enough.

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the work of the others who have been head football coach here at Rutgers.
What makes fans of RU so "obsessed" with Schiano is The Flood Era, The Shea Era, The Graber Era, and The Anderson Era. Those guys were shown the door. GS got a promotion.

 

[imbazza2]

Should'a
Could'a
Would'a

Al and all the other "Schiano Shriners" he is been gone from RU what 5 year.
WHO GIVES A $HIT.
FLASH... Our Head Coach is Chris Ash even if he is not your choice, just like Flood we all must live in the here and now
so unless you are over 65 stop living in the past, please
God know when you will realize the love of your life has left YOU! FACE IT
PS if you can NOT release your "Schiano love fest", go post on tosu site he got the job he suited for