It's kind of mind-blowing thinking back to 2010, and how our game vs Army continued immediately after Eric's injury. I understand they aren't the same injury, but still...
Buffalo defensive player CPR performed
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According to my wife, upon just hearing on CNN that he is on his stomach and slightly inverted, it indicates that he has ARDS (acute respiratory distress syndrome).
That means he’s in grave condition, with a poor prognosis.
That means he’s in grave condition, with a poor prognosis.
Mist in this thread are just hoping for the best and a few “qualified” people are just giving some opinions on what their thoughts are. And qualifying it that they are not there so it doesn’t mean much.
Personally- I actually learned a lot just in this thread.
Why are people lying?
No one knows why this young guy suffered cardiac arrest on the field.
Pure speculation but it really seems like they are just lying. Sad individuals.
Continued 🙏 for this man
No one knows why this young guy suffered cardiac arrest on the field.
Pure speculation but it really seems like they are just lying. Sad individuals.
Continued 🙏 for this man
You are just bursting inside to spew what you think, leave it on the CE page, and go back over there. No need to attack people here who are discussing it in a very civil manner.
I’m not attacking anyone here. I’ve been very “civil”. You’re the first one to be uncivil.
You are projecting your inner thoughts though. We know what you’re dying to say.
Let it out bruh.
And do some praying 🙏 for the injured player.
Go back to your CE perch where you can talk 💩amongst your friends. Nobody want to hear that 💩 while this kid is dying…
Jeezus, everything gotta be red hat related like what you doing here and that other goof was posting last night before it was taken down. 🤬
Who is lying? Medical experts are providing their thoughts based on limited information - the impact he took, use of a defibrillator, how they were able to restart his heart rhythm on the field….
All that points to specific cardiac conditions (and not something like a blockage) and why cardiologists are making some assumptions.
Lying? For some a very educated guess which they acknowledge is speculative. For others bringing up similar situations. That's not lying.
Keep hoping and praying for this young man’s recovery.
Here’s an account from the Cincinnati’s Fox 19 Sports Director on what was going on on the field when Hamlin went down.
No one is lying. Some medical professionals came in with their thoughts and obvious they were just trying to provide information and not saying that it is what happened.
BTW- that is how you can tell they are medical professionals- they are not treating him so they are not making statements about his condition, just some speculation of what it may have been.
Again, I have appreciated it. Not sure who you are attacking.
Question for you.
In the history of the NFL, how many times has a player suffered Commotio Cordis ?
I’d have to think it’s extremely rare. ?
I would think extremely rare. I think someone else mentioned it happens more in sports like baseball.
I had heard about it happening in lacrosse a few times and also happened to Chris Pronger who got hit in the chest with a slap shot.
Last night a doctor said CPR though effective in saving lives and even when done properly, only delivers 30% of the blood to the brain that a normal heart does. I never heard a percentage put to that and maybe it's because I never took a CPR course.
I recommend taking a class.
I think everyone should take one, you just never know. I wound up doing cpr on someone one month after I got certified.
Praying this young man is ok.
Very sad situation
I’ll just come flat out and say that if anyone is using this to insinuate something about the vaccine (which unfortunately is happening). They are the WORST type of piece of sh*t
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I've been CPR certified since I was 13...many decades ago. So much has changed. So much.
The good news for germophibes is that you don't even need to do mouth to mouth breathing anymore. They have found that good quality CPR....100-120 compressions a minute (sing "Staying alive" while you do it) is better than nothing, especially for untrained personnel.
EDIT; Adding in that most public places (malls, gyms, grocery stores) have AED's on a wall somewhere. There is zero training needed for that. Open the bag, put the pads where the picture shows to put them, press the button. The machine will evaluate the heart rhythm and let you know if it's shockable or not. It will actually say "shock not needed". If you can follow a picture and hear you can use an AED.
Pumping Is Always Better Than Blowing in CPR
Focusing on pumping blood during CPR, rather than on moving air, makes a lot of sense. Here's why.
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I don't know if it's ever happened in the NFL, it is extremely rare in general, but I remember learning about it in my risk management in sport administration class at Rutgers and it appeared to have the characteristics. Obviously I don't know for sure but it seems people who know way more about heart issues than I do had the same initial assumption.
Usually it occurs from being hit with a puck or smaller ball like in lacrosse or baseball. However I do recall at least one occasion where it was a seemingly harmless impact from another person's body--In 2008, Alexei Cherepanov, who was a highly touted Rangers prospect, inadvertently bumped into teammate Jaromir Jagr (who was playing in the KHL at the time due to the NHL lockout) during a line change and collapsed on the bench. It wasn't a huge impact but it's more about where the point of impact is and at which point in the heart rhythm it occurs. Sadly he died later that day.
EDIT: Turned out Cherepanov's death wasn't actually commotio cordis.
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this is what I said in my first post in this thread, which is exactly why it's such a rare occurance.
A UNC cardiologist spoke to this yesterday
“What happens is you get a blow to the chest that is strong enough that it actually generates a small amount of electrical activity, and at certain points in the normal heart rhythm, stimulation by extra electrical activity can trigger a lethal abnormal heart rhythm,” Dr. Kelly says.
The trauma—or blow to the chest—has to occur during a heartbeat and hit near the center of the heart’s left lower chamber, or ventricle.
“Essentially, you get a large blow to the chest at just the wrong spot at just the wrong moment, which results in a sudden arrhythmia (irregular heart rhythm) that can be fatal,” Dr. Kelly says.
What Happens in Commotio Cordis? | UNC Health Talk
If not treated immediately, this rare cardiac event can be fatal.
healthtalk.unchealthcare.org
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I personally feel that this young man's heart issue is trauma related.
Everyone has the right to their opinion whether they agree with me or not.
Calling folks pieces of sh!t for having opinions different from yours is the opposite of constructive.
Nobody on this board ("expert" or not) knows definitively what occurred.
More discussion is better than less.
All points of view should be welcome.
This whole agree or be shut/shouted down world we live in now is ridiculous.
If you have no tolerance for opposing views, use the ignore button.
Praying for a full recovery for a fine young man.
Calling people liars is also not constructive.
Absolutely in lacrosse. And the tragedy with George Boiardi (ever buy Chef Boy-r-di canned pasta?) at Cornell was that there was no defibrilator at the game and as they were doing manual cpr they tried to get a medivac copter into Shellkoph Field to get him to a Tier 1 and the weather was so bad they couldn't do it.
There were other incidents with varied outcomes.
My wife saved a woman life by giving CPR on the spot. Woman was talking to us in a room full of people held her chest, fell to the ground mid sentence. Everyone was in shock including me. My wife immediately jumped into action administered CPR the paramedics got there about 10-15 minutes
Told us the woman would have died had she not gotten cpr. My wife gave it up to her Girl Scout experience.
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Absolutely
The same group of posters continue to do so in every OT thread where “health” is the topic.
You may have missed something, otherwise the doctor in question failed to explain himself.
Most people think of CPR as one person doing compressions and another person doing breaths. The patient is getting exhaled air, which is somewhat lower in O2 percentage than room air, which is itself only 21% O2. If the CPR isn't really good, then yes, there's a lower perfusion rate (percentage of oxygen in the blood) than normal.
This isn't how CPR is done by EMS professionals. EMTs use something called a BVM (Bag-Valve Mask) to inflate a patient's lungs. When on scene, that BVM can be set up to either utilize room air or it can be hooked up to an O2 tank - in which case the patient is getting 100% O2. CPR administered in this manner is HIGHLY effective - as I posted earlier, you can get perfusion rates of 100%.
LOL. Hey Karen, you're the one dragging politics into the thread. Unbunch your panties.
Except that the twit in question is, in not so subtle fashion, saying that the incident is attributable to Covid vaccines.
This makes him a moron and his "opinion" isn't not opinion, as such. It's the senseless babbling of an idiot and shouldn't be tolerated.
Here's my question. Why does anybody have any opinion or a guess about what caused the player to collapse? Where's the value in it? It would be downright morbid if people actually enjoyed or were entertained by guessing what caused someone else's health concerns.
The flip side of that question might be: what harm is there in guessing, right? Well, think about it. Misinformation and disinformation require fertile ground, so to speak, to propagate. If everybody just sits back and calmly awaits medical consensus, then we'd all be properly informed and misinformation and disinformation could not thrive here.
But if everybody leaps to speculative conclusions before the people treating this individual do, or worse, if everybody rejects the conclusions of the folks treating the person in question, then all that is happening is a whole lot of people spreading bullshit as widely as possible rather than embracing facts.
When people become obsessed with their speculative conspiracy theories and stubbornly prefer them over expert consensus and fact, then we have a serious information problem. Which is pretty much where this country is at, at the moment.
They did the same thing for the World Cup reporter who died of an aneurysm.
They go into a thread, start claiming it’s vaccine related without knowing any facts, then disappear without acknowledging their mistake once details point to a different root cause.
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Or they slither into the thread one by one, then group up on people who calls them out on their BS. Now they’re calling people morbid for even discussing it if they don’t agree them that the vax caused the heart condition.
I remember Cherapanov dying so young and unexpectedly, but I didn't know it was that. Good post.
Kid was going to be a hell of a hockey player too.
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