It wasn’t that with the Rangers draft pick.
But you’re right that he was an incredible player. I think he would have been great in the NHL.
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It wasn’t that with the Rangers draft pick.
But you’re right that he was an incredible player. I think he would have been great in the NHL.
If you are referring to me, then you misunderstood me entirely. I’m not an anti-vaxxer, am fully vaccinated, and recommend that everybody get vaccinated per the overwhelming medical consensus as supported by the overwhelming statistical evidence.
That being said, I do think that it‘s a little morbid for people, especially non-medical professionals, to be entertained by speculating about the cause of these sorts of medical events. Medical pros speculating is a little different since it’s a professional point of interest to them.
I’m opposed to the spread of misinformation and disinformation. That’s pretty much my only interest in this thread, beyond wishing the player a full recovery.
Yeah. Just googled and seemed to be something else. Also crazy how sketchy that whole situation / investigation was.
You know I’m a Devils fan but I was even excited to see him come over to the NHL because he was that talented.
It was a horrible tragedy that may have been prevented if he was in North America rather than Russia.
You rightly don’t need the stress. But, this is about me, lol. Just for the pure entertainment content it would bring, I am happy to start a donation for your sub to CE board.
There are doctors who say its less likely to be Commotio cordis if its true he had to be revived twice
Wasn’t this Hockey Player’s death the result of really REAL bad medical care by that teams medical staff?
I remember it being discussed as a probability initially, but actually after looking it up just now it seems that ended up being incorrect.
Well his heart did stop after an on-ice collision, but the lack of medical readiness certainly prevented him from surviving. The rink didn't have a defibrillator and the ambulance had already left because the game was almost over.
That's not an invalid observation, but relies heavily on the specific definition of "revived".
My understanding is he was shocked twice. That in itself doesn't rule out any cause, because of the way cardioversion (defibrillation) works. A defibrillator DOES NOT restore a sinus rhythm. What it does is stops the heart very briefly, then relies on the body's natural chemistry and electrical process to restart as normal sinus rhythm. Not infrequently the result of a first cardioversion is a rhythm other than sinus, which needs to be converted again.
I was personally defibrillated 7 times in the space of 4 hours following an injury.
Plus the medical care he has been receiving for a pre-existing heart condition was suspect at best.
I don't think he was referring to you. Probably referring to the poster who references it in his Sig Line.
That being said....its been a human practice for a long time to use tragedy to advance one's own agenda or conspiracy theory. This has been magnified by Social Media and 24 Hour News channels. The anti-footballers and anti-vaxers are already out in spades propagating their messaging.
Its a terrible tragedy and hoping the kid pulls through and if they figure out what the cause was - safeguards or screening mechanisms are put in place to try and prevent it in the future, whether it was impact or health related.
The CE board being Premium is aggravating. Not because I don't get to wallow in the pig pen - I have zero interest in that. It's aggravating because whenever I post in a thread that subsequently gets moved to the CE board I continue to get notifications whenever someone responds, then I click on the notification and get the "Premium Content" screen.
The guy in charge needs to disable notifications for that specific use case.
Not trying to sound critical..but it’s Why they should only have one person speaking on behalf of the family.
There’s an easy way to unblock the ability to hit the “unwatch thread“ button on the CE threads. Is what I always do to stop the notifications for moved threads or for old CE threads in which I was participating way back when those threads get necro’d by someone.
Oh boy! How did I miss this thread? So many points to address in this and the following responses. Here goes. Per the American Heart Association CPR provides only 10% to 30% of normal blood flow to the heart and 30% to 40% of normal blood flow to the brain even when delivered according to guidelines.
I think you are getting some terminologies and concepts mixed up. Your numbers are correct with the oxygen percentages but delivering 100% oxygen does not guarantee 100% perfusion. As noted above, the highest quality CPR delivers fractions of the blood flow the heart is capable of normally providing. Because of that, tissue perfusion (and resulting tissues death) is compromised even if delivering 100% O2.
Based on the point of impact and the timing of collqpse, the most likely cause was commotio cordis. I'm not sure what you were trying to imply. CC would have resulted in ventricular fibrillation. The only cure is early and immediate defibrillation, which is immediately followed by CPR for about two minutes (without checking the heart rhythm or pulse). After that, a recheck for ventricular fibrillation is done which would require another shock if it persisted. It's very possible Hamlin was defibrillated twice and people thought that meant he was revived twice. The other thing I immediate thought when I saw him collapsed was an aortic tear, which he would not have left the field alive if it happened.
Cardioversion and defibrillation are similar but are used in two very different circumstances. Defibrillation wipes out the chaotic electrical activity occurring (which stops the heart) in hopes the natural pacemaker of the heart begins proper electrical activity. Defibrillation is ONLY used on people in cardiac arrest. Cardioversion is used in different circumstances but not on dead people. I hope all is well after your seven defibrillations and/or cardioversions.
Because speaking with one voice prevents multiple people getting asked the same question, any little difference getting dissected on television and social media and a family in crisis getting hassled when they need their privacy. The last thing they need is a bunch of reporters trying for an "exclusive".
Call me crazy but ummmmmmmm- you are the person being referred to.
You called people liars and now this comment to a person referring to you very specifically calling people liars. WTF?
Sometimes these threads are like the twilight zone.
Unless a person is old, overweight, unhealthy or all of them, what you stated in the first quote is demonstrably not true at this point in the program. It is far from consensus when all dissenting opinions are erased from the discussion. Won't do a back and forth on this one. We can just agree to disagree.
I don't find people's curiosity about and discussion of what happened morbid at all.
3rd quote- Who exactly is it that gets to decide what is or isn't "dis-information"? You? Me? Player to be named later?
We have all been fed a whole lot of bullsh!t over the last couple years. I don't blame anybody for being skeptical at this point. Even though we disagree, I won't be calling you names or clamoring for you to be deleted for posting something you truly believe. I'll be the first one defending you from either one.
Couldn't agree more with hoping and praying for a full recovery for the guy. Has to be hell for his family and teammates. Was heartbreaking to watch.
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but the statistics and consensus overwhelmingly show that the vaccines are safe. And the stats also show that they are highly effective at lowering the risks of severe infection or hospitalization versus not being vaccinated.
There is still no statistical proof of serious complications from vaccines that comes anywhere near outweighing demonstrated benefits. Just some incidents of potential complications, shit-tons of speculative BS, and a some studies of potential correlations, virtually all of which disclaim their use as conclusive evidence. And we can all examine the vaccinated versus non-vaccinated deaths since the vaccines have come out. That should be all anybody who is data-driven or fact-driven should need.
But I really don't care if people don't want to get vaccinated. That's not my problem. It's taking the tiny fraction of "evidence" against vaccines and treating it like it's meaningful when dwarfed by the evidence that they're working and safe that I object to. It's just dumb. Throwing away massive volumes of data in order to sustain a conspiracy theory about the vaccines is just dumb.
Disinformation is taking a relative few incidents (and thousands would be a relative few in this context) and only considering that versus the far more massive numbers of positive outcomes.
Guess you missed the we can just agree to disagree part.😂
If you want to see where your "consensus" is rooted, I would recommend you read "The REAL Anthony Fauci". By that die-hard, right wing, MAGA guy Robert Kennedy Jr.
If 1/3 of what I've read so far is correct, the guy should be hung on the White House lawn.
It seems they had the Commotio cordis thing queued up and ready to go before the guy even hit the ground. Almost seems like they were expecting something like this to happen
Robert Kennedy Jr has a bias against vaccines. He is not credible
RFK Jr has been a fierce anti-vaxxer for decades.
Was reading Pronger's tweets yesterday and his story is unbelievable.
Hit in the chest in game 2 of the 1998 playoffs, collapses, no heartbeat for 20 seconds, they revive him, run tests on his heart for 24 hours, he's cleared and plays in game 3, two days later.
How did vaccines get into this- we have some of the dumbest sheep ever as fans.
Keep this shit out of the thread
Keep this shit out of the thread
According to the people who took over this thread, This was Covid/Vaccines that caused his heart to stop… Don’t you see??? 🥴
Sorry, we can agree to disagree. But I just wanted to make it clear what I meant by overwhelming consensus before dropping it.
In any scientific debate, or medical debate in this case, there will always be room for doubt, or at least there should be as skepticism is fundamental to good science. But in some debates, the sheer volume of expert opinion plus data on one side so completely dwarfs the naysayers and contradictory data on the other, that the best available answer is obvious.
That is the case here. For me, it has nothing to do with what Fauci, or what the FL surgeon general, or any other one person (such as Kennedy), or one study, says or thinks or does. It certainly has nothing to do with politicians or politics or agendas.
It’s entirely about what the obvious data (e.g. death rate post vaccine) says plus what the issue-specific professional community consensus says about the less obvious data that us laypeople cannot interpret on our own. And after that, it’s about logic and motivations.
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Good clarifications, thank you.
For me it was defibrillation. 3x in the field and an additional 4x in the ED before they flew me out.
I am, now, quite fine - in spite of the fact that I was down for 24 minutes, receiving CPR, before the medics arrived.
In the weeks and months following June 24, 1982 I became a documented Medical Miracle.
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