I don't disagree with that sentiment... just that it's taken too long to accomplish, and we've blown our opportunity to build a resume in the first third of the season.Many downers here… understandable. Just realize this is new a team still jelling and getting the right combinations together with 2 young, albeit talented, kids adjusting to the speed of the college game.
2 games in particular, yes.I don't disagree with that sentiment... just that it's taken too long to accomplish, and we've blown our opportunity to build a resume in the first third of the season.
Yeah and of course RU was shipped to Arizona to play what was essentially a road game against Arizona State. Another example of the RU Screw. Just not our own administration exercising it that timeHistory lesson kids....its a pleasure going down memory lane again from when I was at Rutgers.
The comparison that I can come up with is the 90-91 NCAA Rutgers team led by Hughes/Duncan/Dabbs who went on to win what was the last mens basketball championship of any kind when they won the regular season Atlantic 10
A lot of hype entering the season, the first year with Hughes/Duncan they were up and down in 89-90 never quite reaching their potential but we had them coming back for another year. I think finished 18-17 but the RAC student section was lit back then. This time with the edition of Virginia transfer Brent Dabbs at center, we were all set for a great year.
Started out with a 9PM or was it 9:30 ESPN game vs Missouri who was ranked and had future NBA star Doug Smith. One of the top 10 RAC games ever if not top 5, the crowd was insane.RU would roll through St Bonnies 71-45 the following game but next game vs I believe D2 Bridgeport they sleptwalked to a 90-84. Close A10 conference wins would follow at St Joes and Curry Hicks Cage at UMass where Calipari was just getting started. Unfortunately the next game on a sleepy noon Saturday on national tv, Rutgers laid an egg against Princeton...when it STILL WAS A RIVALRY 58-45. Princeton would finish the regular season 24-2 and ranked 18th and as the 8 seed lost to 9 seed Villanova 50-48 in the NCAA tourney.
The Princeton game kicked off a rough patch where many were writing RU. A double digit loss to SHU at the Brenden Byrne Area followed along with a close loss to Marylandin the ECAC Holiday Festival at MSG. RU did manage to uphend Shawn Bradley led BYU in the consolation. However the ultimate insult was a loss to lowly Duquense at the RAC by 16. A life and death 66-63 struggle against overmatched Delaware two days later did not ease fears. A trip on the road to Temple and West Virgiinia was disastrous with 2 twenty point plus losses. Losers of 6 of 8 and standing at just 7-6, everyone was writing the Scarlet Knights off.
But then suddenly Rutgers gathered some steam. One by one they started picking off teams and the 10 point road win vs Digger Phelps coached Notre Dame served notice that RU was bac. Rutgers would prove drama queens escaping Rhode Island at the RAC 60-59 and in a 79-878 thriller at Rec Hall. We were dreaming big dreams again. I dont know when the UNLV game was scheduled that season. I know it was during the season. The Temple game was originally scheduled for Saturday but was moved to a rare Friday to accomodate the trip to Vegas for the UNLV game on Sunday. Its one of my fave games there and most underrated. RU was on fire from the start hitting on all cylinders and I believe going up 18-2 enroute to a 82-63 beatdown enacting revenge on the Owls for the previous loss
Alas RU was beat up by #1 UNLV 115-73 in a game broadcast on ABC. The Knights would rebound and win the next 4 to make it 10 wins in their last 11 to push their mark to 17-7 and the A10 regular season title was in their grasp. However for some reason, sub 500 Duquense was RU's kryptonite as the Knights fell in Pittsburgh. A wild 103-96 overtime win at the RAC followed setting up the A-10 title clinching blowout win over Penn State 82-63. A court stomring..well not really...it was a walk onto the court by the student section and I remember that night partying with Rutgers own and CNBC star Becky Quick. Just to do things in typical Rutgers fashion, RU dropped an overtime game to 8th seed St Joes in the A10 tourney. At 19-9 there was a real question if RU would get in. Back then there was very little if any bracketology and deep analysis of bubble schools. Penn State won the autobid by winning in the A10 tourney and Temple at 21-9 was considered more of a national program and a likely pick. The A10 deep in the shadows of the Big East might not get a third team in.
Turns out there was no reason to worry...Not only did Rutgers get in but they were seeded 9th to Temple who was a 10. RU would blow a game they had late with sloppy play vs 8th seed Ariizona State and missed a chance to face the #1 seed Nolan Richardson led Arkansas Razorbacks. By the way Penn State was seeded just 13th and upset 4th seed UCLA before losing to 12th seed Eastern Michigan. Temple led by Mark Macon was seeded 10th but would reach the elite 8 before bowing to North Carolina.
So team started 7-6 with a lot of hype and found its way. Granted the supporting cast was better. I think that team from 91 would be this years Scarlet Knights. I am not sure the Dream Big Dreams team from 89 who went on a miracle run late really is applicable in this situation.
Downers??? That's bullshit. You are a wishful RU fan despite what we've seen to date. Wake up.Many downers here… understandable. Just realize this is new a team still jelling and getting the right combinations together with 2 young, albeit talented, kids adjusting to the speed of the college game.
3 missed opportunities for a Q1 win, 2 bad Q3 losses.2 games in particular, yes.
Do we stay the course and get in? If not, what do you think has to happen/change for us to make the tournament?In.......Still most of the conference slate ahead. Failing that, I still won't give up until the last BIG tourney game that we are in.
Do we stay the course and get in? If not, what do you think has to happen/change for us to make the tournament?
We all hope we make the tournament.
Haven't given up, and think this team can still improve a LOT by March. That doesn't mean they'll have the resume to get selected for the tournament, though.Team relies on a lot of freshman minutes. IMO they will continue to get better as the season progresses.
Could have fooled me on this forum about the hope of the tourney with all the histrionic and "Its Over" threads and posts. Many have already given up. All that's left for them is to yell at the clouds about firing Pike and how much is sucks to be an RU fan. My own feeling is what fun is there as a fan in giving up before it's actually over....especially when there really is no "playing for next season" in the current landscape of college basketball.
Forget about blowing the doors off teams, I’ll just take wins at this point. We are 3-5 in our last 8 games…..this team needs wins, desperately, and lots of them.Haven't given up, and think this team can still improve a LOT by March. That doesn't mean they'll have the resume to get selected for the tournament, though.
If we start blowing the doors off of people over the next 4-5 games, I'll reassess my opinion.
most other schools are doing that too and better yet without two top 5 draft picksMany downers here… understandable. Just realize this is new a team still jelling and getting the right combinations together with 2 young, albeit talented, kids adjusting to the speed of the college game.
And those other teams are grabbing wins along the way while RU is 3-5 in the last 8 and facing another potential landmine of a game with Columbia (I don’t know how anyone who has watched this team can confidently say they’ll beat Columbia). This team needs to have an incredible month of January before realistic conversations about the NCAA can start up again.most other schools are doing that too and better yet without two top 5 draft picks
I’m watching Columbia play Fairfield at the moment and while our team has been disappointing to date…I imagine we will win by 20 on MondayAnd those other teams are grabbing wins along the way while RU is 3-5 in the last 8 and facing another potential landmine of a game with Columbia (I don’t know how anyone who has watched this team can confidently say they’ll beat Columbia). This team needs to have an incredible month of January before realistic conversations about the NCAA can start up again.
I didn’t say we won’t win, I am saying you can’t look ahead with this team at ANY game and with confidence say that it is a gimme win. I did that with Kennesaw, Notre Dame, Seton Hall and Princeton and said that’s 4 wins….this team proceeded to lose 2 of them and barely beat Notre Dame (if Allocco three falls we lose) and barely beat Seton Hall with Dylan’s made three. We could easily have gone 0-4 in those games, think about that…..there are no gimmes for this team so I could see them beating Columbia but just as easily this team can lose to just about anybody. They don’t instill confidence in their ability to win, not sure if they themselves are confident they can win…..they need to develop the confidence and quick.I’m watching Columbia play Fairfield at the moment and while our team has been disappointing to date…I imagine we will win by 20 on Monday
Sticking to the 1st part of your post, I see LS declining as we start playing conference games. I don't expect him to be much of a factor as we head into the tougher part of our schedule. Not fair to put expectations on him imo.Team relies on a lot of freshman minutes. IMO they will continue to get better as the season progresses.
Could have fooled me on this forum about the hope of the tourney with all the histrionic and "Its Over" threads and posts. Many have already given up. All that's left for them is to yell at the clouds about firing Pike and how much is sucks to be an RU fan. My own feeling is what fun is there as a fan in giving up before it's actually over....especially when there really is no "playing for next season" in the current landscape of college basketball.
Thank you duly noted and thanks for the insults.Downers??? That's bullshit. You are a wishful RU fan despite what we've seen to date. Wake up.
We'd all love to see the team in the NCAA tourney...but we have eyes.
Are we on the path to a NCAA tourney? No one can answer "yes" with a straight face. To get there, a course correction must be made. We haven't seen any evidence that the staff knows which buttons to push to help this year's roster course correct. Even you are making suggestions as to what Pike should be doing differently (play Grant). In Pike's defense, he has ZERO experience navigating with this type of roster (2 1-and-dones and too many neutral-to-minus defenders).
2 young kids adjusting to the speed of the college game? LOL. That is utter non-sense as your brain is attempting to keep you in a "hopeium" state of mind. You are just grasping at straws. We are 39% thru the regular season.
Unfortunately, I'm very confident we will not make it because we're poorly coached offensively. There's no way we can ride the defense to the NCAA tournament with this roster. None.
NCAA> just squeak inNCAA - out
NIT - out
B10 - out
It's clearly a thread that will turn into a "I told you so" if we go on a tremendous hot streak. Not the worst investment but not likely to hit either.Lol. It's like you're creating a naughty list for Santa Claus. Anyone who doesn't believe Rutgers will make the NCAA tournament this year is a downer and gets coal in their stocking.
It's clearly a thread that will turn into a "I told you so" if we go on a tremendous hot streak. Not the worst investment but not likely to hit either.
Never said that, just stated the obvious, you’re an out, all good.Lol. It's like you're creating a naughty list for Santa Claus. Anyone who doesn't believe Rutgers will make the NCAA tournament this year is a downer and gets coal in their stocking.
Yup point in time. Also if you believe based on their current body of work they are good enough. Obviously most think not. I think they are. 🤷🏻♂️Sure, but it's a point-in-time prediction. I was convinced we'd missed the tournament during 2021-22 before we reeled off 4 wins in a row over ranked teams. I was also convinced we had made the tournament in 2022-23, but the committee saw it differently.
Still a lot of games to be played - and the Rutgers that comes out starting Monday may emerge from the holiday break with an entirely different level of performance after something "clicks". That's not the way I'd bet, though - if I had to put money down today based on what I've seen so far, it'd be against us making the tournament.
Gotcha. Hopefully all the "no" votes have to eat a ton of crow. I know I'd be thrilled to do so.Sure, but it's a point-in-time prediction. I was convinced we'd missed the tournament during 2021-22 before we reeled off 4 wins in a row over ranked teams. I was also convinced we had made the tournament in 2022-23, but the committee saw it differently.
Still a lot of games to be played - and the Rutgers that comes out starting Monday may emerge from the holiday break with an entirely different level of performance after something "clicks". That's not the way I'd bet, though - if I had to put money down today based on what I've seen so far, it'd be against us making the tournament.
We aren't dancing. Odds currently 12%. Will be 2% if we lose Monday.I did mean by next season. If we don’t dance - literally the entire team will transfer out. That’s my prediction.
Bailey has been big disappointment. And defense. And inability to play anything other than playground ball on offense.It's shocking with all the "sweet 16" predictions LOL that we're now mostly out. This team was ranked 24 to start the season so it wasn't just on here. The over-hype of players and coaching .. we haven't even hit the Conf. play yet.
18-16 / 19-16 would the NCAA want the young guns in? THAT'S with 500 conf. play.
we're OUT.
I don't think there's a lot of crow to eat when virtually no neutral observer would put money on yes here (assuming even odds).Gotcha. Hopefully all the "no" votes have to eat a ton of crow. I know I'd be thrilled to do so.
Sticking to the 1st part of your post, I see LS declining as we start playing conference games. I don't expect him to be much of a factor as we head into the tougher part of our schedule. Not fair to put expectations on him imo.
Tough to see Harper playing any better. He's been unreal from the jump.
Ace could improve. The staff isn't helping him offensively though and he has shown that he cannot get to the rim in a half court set. High volume of contested long 2 point attempts. His game/shot selection has looked pretty similar each game so far this season.
Yeah. Next year they will be specialMany downers here… understandable. Just realize this is new a team still jelling and getting the right combinations together with 2 young, albeit talented, kids adjusting to the speed of the college game.
Sure. Best frosh class. Everything else is barely a step ahead of Pike’s first season on the Banks - the returning talent was actually better that year. Think about that.Can you believe we have the best class in — maybe forever — and it’s not even one of Pike’s top 3 teams..?
Out.
It's clearly a thread that will turn into a "I told you so" if we go on a tremendous hot streak. Not the worst investment but not likely to hit either.
We have. Last year's team really sucked too. And likely next year's. And whose fault might it be that we have a lack of talent?Sure. Best frosh class. Everything else is barely a step ahead of Pike’s first season on the Banks - the returning talent was actually better that year. Think about that.