It wasn't my analogy, and I don't think RC intended it to be an analogy. He was describing a general act of sportsmanship.
it does not matter, its common sense and the original call was good. Very simple.
Your point is valid. It does sound absurd to say that "not cheating" = "good sportsmanship."
You missed the thought process entirely. What I am saying is the Coaches should step up and do the right thing. They know the shot beat the clock. We could have not done the right thing and no one would have been the wiser. But having principles matter.
I didn’t miss the thought process . You are taking bows for that wrestling coach not cheating. I don’t find not cheating or choosing to not infect someone with ringworm as being commendable .
Sure looks like it. Sucks for those kids.
Yes they did do something wrong here. They aren't letting the true winner of the game get the title .
I don't think a team has any standing to reverse an official's decision, whether it was in their favor or not.
Your comparing NBA to highschool lol but good try. But I will play along Your up that much you shouldn't can only blame yourself/team.
Good God...they got a call wrong. They don't have the benefit of replay. They don't even have the benefit of seeing the clock (at least 2 of the 3 didn't), or red lights on the backboard. Sometimes humans miss calls. It's complete BS to call out their integrity of make up reasons like they must be afraid of the fans of one team. I'm sure that outside of the losing team, no one is more sick about last night than those 3 officials.
Except one official called it good on the floor. The second official then states he thinks it was still in his hand. That doesn’t change the first official ‘s decision as the call on the floor. The third official either has no comment or did not see the click and play at the same time. Therefore , legally the overturn of the call on the floor was improper as 2 officials saw 2 different things and the call on the floor should stand. That was the way to resolve it which would be within the bylaws because the officials final decision was improper. I have not heard anywhere that the first official changed his mind.
The guy that called it (opposite side of table) had no view of the clock...but he got the call right. And of course it's a judgement call...before buzzer or after buzzer. It's a bad call as shot was off at about .5 or .6...but not like is was several seconds early and not humanly possible to miss it.
Of course the first official changed his mind...they huddled up and he changed the call. It's not Official A has this call but Official B doesn't...they got together and decided to change the initial call, and thus the final score.
lol they don't wanna leave it at the refs missed the call. People always want to take it a step farther. It's the fake outrage how dare the refs miss a call. They had to be scared of the camden fans smh lol. Once again missed call life goes on its highschool basketball.
And FYI that you're taught to sell the call there whether you're certain of it or not...worst thing you could do is be unsure and not really call anything. His mistake was taking the help and overturning the call (though maybe he was unsure and welcomed the help in that spot).
Yeah, especially on a message boards, always rife with rumors, platitudes, and amateur psychology. It's more fun that way, ha ha...
I'm saying that his line of sight isn't looking at the clock...in that first video in this thread, you see that he's looking right at the shooter/basket...and he's making the call from foul line extended. The clock appears to be at about an 80 degree angle to his right. No way that he's watching the clock too as the shooter is releasing the ball. The only one that could have had a view of both the shooter and the scoreboard was the official that ended up giving him help on the play (though obviously he didn't see what he thought he saw).Erial_Lion - Official who made the call had had no view of the clock??
How is that possible, look where he is standing.
I suppose your arguement is that wall jutting out blocked clock from him? Don't see how possible, look at angle below, the clock is not right up against that wall, which is the only way the angle would block his view of it.
That is the issue. The first official made the call that it was good. It was the call on the floor. Without video review , the second official’s opinion was worthless. He had no greater power than the first official and if the explaination is I saw it as good but second ref saw it differently and I decided to go with the second ref’s opinion , that is bullshit and not a valid decision period. It was not based on anything and without review the call on the floor should have stood. The reversal was legally improper unless the first official changed his mind and said upon reflection it was late. But I do not think that happened. Where the third official was and what his position was , which we have no idea , leaves it as just 2 opinions and the call on the court should have stood.
Based on the angles from what I saw, if he was looking at the clock, then he wouldn't have been looking at the play (the scoreboard might have been in his peripheral vision, but he's not watching the time if he's watching the shot from that angle).
You're overthinking this...at the end of the day, whatever the ref that had the call decides is the final call. It doesn't matter in the end how he called it at first...if he gets help and changes his call, that final call is all that matters. It's not a democracy, it's up to him to make a call. He made the right call initially, and for whatever reason, he changed his call. No different that if a back judge throws a flag for PI, huddles with the other refs to discuss, and picks up his flag. Refs/umpires/officials are often consulting with each other and asking for help (and their decisions are still "valid", "legally proper", or whatever other terms you want to use)...if things had gone differently and that help corrected his call, he would be praised. Really unfortunate that in this situation, he had it correct and came off of that correct call.
The issue is that each ref has a role and responsibility. The “c” refs role in this scenario is on ball and clock. The base line ref is on ball and off ball key. The trail ref is off ball.
