Camden - Manasquan
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my bad, that's Will Hickson in purple, Camden AD. pleading for overturn of a correct call.Interesting the Camden coach here obviously knows who Derryk Sellers (NJSIAA rep) is and literally pushing him into the coaches huddle to dispute the call.
This story is even more disturbing when they overturned because a Camden Official not even the coach approached the refs.
It’s a shame that both teams had to deal with these putrid refs. It’s not Camden’s nor Manasquan’s fault. But the game is over, it is what it is and move on to the next game. At least that’s what other teams have been told after they got screwed by the refs all the time in years past. IDK what makes this case different?🙄
And for those who are calling for Camden to DO THE RIGHT THING and give the win to Manasquan: How many teams have done the same in the past? ZERO.
Maybe implement replay systems by having the YouTube/ NFHS Network crew covering the game provide monitors, cameras, and other equipment for playoff games. Or have the state bring their own cameras/ Hudl Sideline systems for its own replay system. Or maybe stop having these neutral site games at these random schools with skipping clocks, buzzers that you could barely hear, and other equipment that would not be up to par for a state playoff game neutral site.
And for those who are calling for Camden to DO THE RIGHT THING and give the win to Manasquan: How many teams have done the same in the past? ZERO.
Maybe implement replay systems by having the YouTube/ NFHS Network crew covering the game provide monitors, cameras, and other equipment for playoff games. Or have the state bring their own cameras/ Hudl Sideline systems for its own replay system. Or maybe stop having these neutral site games at these random schools with skipping clocks, buzzers that you could barely hear, and other equipment that would not be up to par for a state playoff game neutral site.
Not sure. No school has been penalized more over the years than Camden. The NJSIAA has never helped Camden.
Sure if you actually believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny….what occurred post game was far from questionable. Too many protagonists from Camden standing near the refs… do you not think that should not have been allowed. It has absolutely nada , nunca, nadia to do with how they ran the clock. All anyone needs to do is look at the time the shot went through. Sore loser accusation does not apply here. Turn it around and if it was Camden getting shafted Would you have made excuses?
If it was the other way around, not many here or online would tell Manasquan to DO THE RIGHT THING nor there would be this much of an outrage outside of Camden. If that was the case, I’m STILL for an apology and the other team to DO THE RIGHT THING from a playoff game two years ago. Difference is that I/ my people know NEITHER will happen, esp since it wasn’t the other teams fault that those refs were dullards.
This was avoidable but we’ll be curious to watch the politics which now will get involved.
Here’s what Camden-Manasquan refs wrote to NJSIAA about decisive blown semifinal call
Officials come clean that mistake was made waving off Manasquan's game-winner.
Was that referee ( Kevin Walls ) ? come on you have got to be kidding….Here’s what Camden-Manasquan refs wrote to NJSIAA about decisive blown semifinal call
Officials come clean that mistake was made waving off Manasquan's game-winner.www.nj.com
Kevin Walls one of the referees? If true that is a terrible look in a sectional final.No bias attached to this game😎🤫
This is actual proof that instant replay is sorely needed for high school basketball. This should never have been left to a HE SAID/ SHE SAID situation at a neutral site playoff game. Hopefully the “official cameras” would’ve cleared this up.Here’s what Camden-Manasquan refs wrote to NJSIAA about decisive blown semifinal call
Officials come clean that mistake was made waving off Manasquan's game-winner.
Sounded a tad different… actually think you were talking about a leader of a country.
“We had an issue at the end of the game where we should have scored a basket that we disallowed to Manasquan,” Starr wrote. “Here’s how it happened: Camden made two free throws with 5.8 seconds left. Manasquan threw the ball in, went down the court and shot a 3. They missed the shot and then Manasquan bounced off the ball and shot it as the buzzer sounded. At that point I counted the goal because I was 99% sure he got the shot on time. When I heard the buzzer, I saw that the ball was no longer in his hand. However, since the game was over and I wanted to make sure we made the right play, I called Kevin back to see if he looked better. I told him I had the basketball just as well and then asked him if he had anything else. At this point, Kevin told me that the ball was still in the shooter's hand when the buzzer sounded. I asked him if he was sure and he said the basket shouldn't count because the ball was in the shooter's hands. When I heard this information, I waved it off.”
Interesting that it sounds like the C called over for help from the trail official on the play, and it wasn't just a situation where the train came in and gave him unsolicited information.
Interesting that it sounds like the C called over for help from the trail official on the play, and it wasn't just a situation where the train came in and gave him unsolicited information.
The problem is that the "official cameras" likely wouldn't have offered what was needed to visually overturn the call (you could try listening for the horn, but can't trust the clock graphic on the screen). All of the good angles of it came via cell phone cameras.
It’s the “network’s” job to make sure all is in place. That’s what most schools pay them for. Some networks on YouTube (Morris Sussex Sports, Cape Atlantic Live, and others) are good at they do and actually do a better job that some of the PPV NFHS Network “crews,” which some of them are the hand shaking one camera. Others is off the school’s Hudl camera, which is tedious at best.
State playoff games, esp at neutral sites, state should pay a little more for their camera system.
That explanation makes it worse. Kevin (trail ref) did not make a call real time. In the video you provided earlier he was also the first official off the floor. Only coming back when confronted by Camden coaches. If Kevin was so sure he saw the ball in the hand he should have and would have reacted real time.
Bad look for that crew.
Those three should never work another game again.
You can hear the buzzer when the ball is well out of his hand and actually over the rim. This ref should never be allowed on the court ever again, at any level.
Jumping in here. They did change the call at the end of the game. Original call made was basket was good. Game is over and then they over turn it. Am I wrong?
I don’t think anyone here would feel differently if the teams were reversed in this controversy. No subconscious racial bias on this.
I didn’t say that because of what you said. That would be others in this thread and others online.
I said this because of how “popular” Camden is here and online.
Plum didn't nail shit. Manasquan accepts tuition for non-residents to go to school there. So not only are there different sending district municipalities that send there students to Manasquan High School, they actually can accept students from other municipalities who pay tuition.
This is an excerpt from the Manasquan Board of Education:
TUITION PROGRAM POLICY FOR NON-RESIDENT/NON SENDING DISTRICT REGULAR EDUCATION STUDENTS The Manasquan Board of Education is authorized by N.J.S.A. 18A: 38-3 to admit pupils who are not residents in the Manasquan to the Manasquan Schools upon such terms and conditions as the Board of Education may establish. For the purpose of increasing classroom enrollment, the Board may agree to accept nonresident/non sending district pupils in grades kindergarten through 12th grade subject to the following requirements, terms and conditions:
You’re the one who continues to bring that up. Not I. If you hate Camden because of that, that’s your business.
Lost all respect for Pat Summit after that fiasco.
This should be reversed. Period.
Anyone expecting class from Camden is in for a huge disappointment.
Please...the Manasquan guy took the last shot of the game with his team down one point and before the clock had expired. Anyone who watches the video can clearly see it was so. Both teams knew it. The fans in attendance knew it. The official closest to the play knew it and signaled so.
Why there was a subsequent meeting where the call was overturned is unknown.
There's no reason I can think of as to why the call was changed. I'll leave it to others to speculate why the call was changed...and changed the result of the game... from the correct one to an incorrect one.
He did leave no doubt. Manasquan made the last shot of the game to go up 1 point with 1 second left. Manasquan did in fact leave no doubt.
The only reasonable explanation is the ref cheated. The ball left his hand with 1 second on the clock and was going through the net as the buzzer went off. the only logical solution is he cheated.
Read post 262 for the ref's postgame recap, and you won't have to speculate.
Leaving no doubt means beating a team without letting it come down to the final play and refs for the very reason hahaha
