Weren't we all banging our heads against the wall after the game? Why single him out
Carroo charged with simple assault under domestic violence
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If the charges get dropped by the prosecutor, he should be allowed to play. However I doubt this gets completely resolved before season end. So we might as well treat it as if he went to the NFL last year for all intents and purposes.
Bitnez, we know he was arrested for simple assault. We have posters and commentators saying he slammed a womans head into the ground.
If you have sources who know what happened, just tell us. Why post you just cant see how he will see the field again without telling us what you know?
I hope Flood emails the prosecutor to see if there is anything that Leonte can do to get this dropped.
Until we know the details, we can't speculate what kind of penalty is appropriate. Let's not make this message board into the Star Ledger.
Scarlet Jerry
Scarlet Jerry
I can only like this post once. Damn.
So who would be the prosecutor if the arrest was made by the Rutgers Police?
Piscataway, where it happened or, NB where The R Police are based?
Is your point that all police commit illegal assaults when they arrest a person?
Carroo was arrested and charged with simple assault under the NJ domestic violence laws.
Everything else about the incident is speculation put out by some that claim to know something the rest of us don't, but can't provided proof that they do.
As for slamming head on ground, would think if Carroo did and it was witnessed, no way would the charge be simple assault .
But that's speculation on my part, because I don't know most of the facts that happened that caused Carroo to be arrested.
Everything else about the incident is speculation put out by some that claim to know something the rest of us don't, but can't provided proof that they do.
As for slamming head on ground, would think if Carroo did and it was witnessed, no way would the charge be simple assault .
But that's speculation on my part, because I don't know most of the facts that happened that caused Carroo to be arrested.
i don't know what happened and I'm not pretending to be a lawyer but a DV charge with a simple assault charge is not a walk in the park for any young man. If the girl could be persuaded not to pursue a restraining order and drop the charges a prosecutor may back off. But if there are witnesses and the girl wants a TRO that goes Final he is ruined. He'll never be able to own a firearm and he will have to wait 5 years before having the charges expunged and the restraining order dropped via a court order. My cousin paid 20k in attorney fees over a two year period in order to get his life back in order after a DV dispute, truly a real mess.
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And if there is no victim or witness testimony it will be dropped by the prosecution.
During the early 80's I saw a girl get clocked so hard I thought she was going to die. She had a welt the size of a billiards cue ball by her temple/forehead. The guy split through a side door before the bouncers could get him. When the cops came they took down some information got the bartender to give her a pack of ice and asked her if she needed an ambulance. She refused so the owner of the bar called a taxi to take her to her car. Can you imagine that happening today? I see at the very minimum Aggravated assault.
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Ugh.
Have some of you guys NEVER been to court?
Clearly there is a victim. Duh. That's not even debatable.
And since this is a simple assault charge (**for now) and as such is a misdemeanor which will be adjudicated in municipal court, you don't really need "witness testimony". The only direct testimony that's required is that of the arresting officer, who will present the witness STATEMENTS that have already been collected.
Again - it's municipal court. There's no jury. It's basically traffic court. If the charge isn't upgraded, the likely scenario here is that Carroo strolls into court with his attorney, they have a chat with the prosecutor and, based on the fact that Carroo intervened in an ongoing altercation involving members of his family who may have been at risk, the prosecutor will agree to step the misdemeanor assault charge down to a petty misdemeanor (as permitted by the statute), Carroo will pay a fine, get 6 months probation and walk out the door. At the end of the 6 months he can have the petty misdemeanor charge expunged from this record.
That's assuming, of course, that the victim doesn't turn out to be seriously injured and / or the P'way prosecutor isn't a dick about it. If either or both of those things turns out to be the case, then the prosecutor will bounce the case to the county prosecutor and there will be an arraignment on an upgraded charge. Personally, I don't see that as being likely.
As I said before - "gift". Take it, pay the man, apologize to the people and move on.
Either you're articulating your point very badly, or as I said before, you don't know how any of this works.
I'm pretty sure it was someone who has been on top of this for the last 48-hours and I've received a private e-mail saying the same. I actually haven't said that I "believe" anything, remember, just going through the motions with this, up until this point.
Since we are all just making shit up how about this? The girl had a handful of Mrs Carroo when he comes out and Leonte in the process of breaking it up pushes her and the she falls. As a victim she gives a statement to the police who turn to her and ask "do you want to press charges?" and she says "hell yes!" They then turn to Mrs Carroo as a victim and ask "do you want to press charges against her?" and she says "hell yes, I want her thrown out of school!" The girl then says "um maybe I'm being a bit hasty here".
Has it been confirmed that Carroo was the only person against whom charges were filed?
Has it been confirmed that Carroo was the only person against whom charges were filed?
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If so, I might suggest not putting things out there that haven't been verified. It isn't fair.
maybe both, but if he just pushed her and she wants to drop, I am saying the prosecutor can drop, can he not?
Read what I said victim or witness testimony...i.e., no victim testimony or witness testimony in court. Witness and victim statements mean nothing when in court in front of a judge. The defense has the right to cross examine them and prosecutor usually will not proceed without one or the other. I am speaking from personal experiences. One was facing the exact charges as LC and another as a victim of a separate simple assault. I will take my personal experience over your blather. Period. I know first hand as a relative of a former municipal judge what can or cannot happen.
No, not really. That's why the DV laws exist. They exist solely to prevent victims of domestic violence from showing up 24 hours after a "lesson in paying attention when I tell you to get me a beer" and convincing the cops to drop the charges.
DV arrests and charges are automatic. By law. The judge gets to sort it out. The only way the prosecutor can stand in front of the judge and say, "Your Honor, the State has some question about its ability to prove the charges against the defendant and ask that they be dismissed at this time." is if that's actually true - if there's no way they can prove the charge.
Under the circumstances, there's almost no likelihood that happens.
What you say is technically true if he decides to plead not guilty and demand a trial.
I'm saying there's little to no chance of that happening. I'm willing to bet that the prosecutor is, at the very least, sitting on the aggravated assault charge just in case the defendant wants to go the distance on this.
And I've been there, too. So your experience is no more valuable than mine.
I agree and, if your talking about off this site, I have done no such thing. Please note that I have worded things extremely carefully and that it is information that anyone can come on these boards and get. I have NO "inside info," at this point, and have been VERY clear about that.
Which is what happens when you have no victim or witness testimony in court. Been there and done that.
The thing that sucks a huge one with that statute is a gf who you just dumped can go and file some made up bullshit to try and get back at you. Thankfully, sometimes they realize that completely lying under oath in court is not a smart thing to do and the whole thing gets dropped. Just saying.
I was assaulted and the case was open and shut. When we went to court the prosecutor said the guy has had issues and would probably now get a month or two. He suggested we agree to let him plea it down and force him to anger management and a fine to avoid jail. The prosecutor wanted that and it was not his family or friend, Just did not have the stomach to see a troubled drunk kid go to jail.
I'm just going to keep lettingRU4Real explain this stuff because he is saying it more eloquently than I could.
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So who would be the prosecutor if the arrest was made by the Rutgers Police?
Piscataway, where it happened or, NB where The R Police are based?
Damn. IF only we could get a change of venue to Tallahassee:pray:
So who would be the prosecutor if the arrest was made by the Rutgers Police?
Piscataway, where it happened or, NB where The R Police are based?
Damn. IF only we could get a change of venue to Tallahassee:pray:
Yeah, there's been a lot of back and forth in this thread and it's gotten a little confusing.
Suffice to say that where we are, right now, is that an arrest was made for a misdemeanor assault charge pursuant to NJ's Domestic Violence statute, statements were taken by the RUPD and now we wait for adjudication, which could go in a number of directions, in theory, but in all probability will result in a guilty plea to a lesser, petty misdemeanor charge and a fine plus probation.
What would pleading to a lesser misdemeanor charge mean in context of him staying on the team? Is that up to Flood?
Per Flood, it's all up to Flood. So... yeah, I guess so.
I would offer only this caution - by all accounts, Leonte hit a girl. He might very well have hit her pretty hard. So sure, we can all look at this situation and ask ourselves "WWFSUD". But if we do that... Then we are what we have become.
The DV aspect, if any, is going to make it difficult to easily reinstate him. As for the charge being minor, he is accused of having touched (could be anything from a shove to a punch) another person without that person's consent. The police must also think this was not self-defense or defense of another; if they had thought not, he would not have been charged. As usual, let's wait for the facts to come out. But as of right now, the DV component, if it exists, is going to be a problem for Carroo.
But if he were to plead to say a disorderly conduct then the DV is no longer an issue. The only issue would be what 4Real mentioned about what actually happened and whether Flood knows it.
