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Carroo charged with simple assault under domestic violence
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First, my impression is that we know almost nothing about the incident. For instance, we don't know if LC smashed someone's head into the ground. My guess is that he did not; because if he had done so, the police would probably have charged him with something more severe than simple assault. But I don't know any more than anyone else. So let's stop reporting rumors and speculation.
I have been in contact with my law school's expert on domestic violence. She tells me that New Jersey law has just been amended to say that someone charged with simple assault with a DV aspect is no longer eligible for pre-trial intervention. That's not good news for LC.
I urge everyone to stick to the facts as known, even though it's tempting to fill in the blanks.
I have been in contact with my law school's expert on domestic violence. She tells me that New Jersey law has just been amended to say that someone charged with simple assault with a DV aspect is no longer eligible for pre-trial intervention. That's not good news for LC.
I urge everyone to stick to the facts as known, even though it's tempting to fill in the blanks.
This post is 1000% accurate. If everyone took the time to read this they would understand how DV laws work. Great job B-Skinny!! I would like to add that other countries have very similar DV laws to us but there are fundamental differences when it come to burden of proof. In Italy for example, if it can be proven that a woman lied and concocted a story to land her boyfriend or husband in jail the consequences are severe. The judge can impose jail time up to 180 days and stifling monetary fines. If a victim can prove that she was abused by a boyfriend or husband an automatic TRO is issued and the judge decides whether it goes final or not. This naturally streamlines the entire judicial process. In the USA the justice system has become a feeding trough. Just think of how many people are involved in Caroo arrest. Dispatcher-Police(4)-secretary(5)-correctional officer(2)-judge-stenographer-sheriff-clerk-lawyer-prosecutor-State Police Records etc etc etc. As I said, a feeding trough.
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Camden: Can the prosecutor reduce or drop the charges if the victim does not wish to pursue it? This is something that's been said in one of these threads. Just looking for an answer from someone who's legal creds are not so anonymous as most message board posters.
The prosecutor can indeed reduce or drop the charges if the victim doesn't want to testify. (In fact, the prosecutor could reduce or drop for many other reasons.) But the prosecutor also has the option to prosecute even if the victim does not wish to testify. The prosecutor is likely to do this if there is evidence of the violence aside from the victim's statement.
Camden, any idea how Middlesex town and county prosecutors and judges typically treat DV cases? I know it varies by county. In some counties DV cases are automatically bounced to the county prosecutors office and county courthouse, other counties take a case by case approach, and still others defer to the municipal prosecutor depending on the charge.
My concern is that if this isn't properly charged and vetted, and even seems remotely like a favor was done or strings were pulled, RU will be in for another shite storm.
I don't know about Middlesex county, but I believe that in New Jersey overall, prosecutors tend to be relatively aggressive about prosecuting DV cases. My guess (and it's simply that) is that this is especially likely in an urban county like Middlesex. In addition, no one is going to want to look like the one who gave LC a break because he is a football player.
Ironically it was the Ray Rice fiasco that helped make that change in the law a reality.
wait, there's a men's right group? How do I sign up?
Do you also know of a 'All White People aren't Racist" group?
and of course the "All Lives Matter" team
How about an "Older People can still work" group?
(edit-addition) the "I don't care if your Gay - stop with the advertising" club
and last but not least...'start teaching and stop brain-washing our kids with the liberal left agenda" consortium.
please pass on any contact info you might have..thanks..
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Ah, Screw85...embarrasses himself in every argument he has, but when an ideological ally makes cogent points he leaps in like he has the first clue about anything. Do yourself a favor and put me on ignore already, you pesky little gnat.
To RutBay: if domestic violence laws and family law have their problematic aspect (which I don't dispute), that doesn't make invoking the typical paranoid knuckle-dragging fantasies about male disempowerment appropriate in this case, in which an exemplar of physical strength violently assaulted a young girl. If "gaming the system" means she is going to have his ass prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, well, that is her right as a victim and nobody's fault but Leonte's.
Too many bitter divorced losers are out there in the Men's Righto-sphere crying about women "gaming" the system as if there are not men out there who fully exploit every cultural advantage they have.
interesting. will have to check that out.
BTW...not at all opposed to a woman being King...as long as the right woman. ok..moving on.
Men's cultural advantage? You seem like a lovely feminist husband. You're well trained, and it shows.
Care to elaborate ALL the mens cultural advantages? I guess you mean the advantage that men die on average 7-8 younger than women, How about mens advantage of being drafted and going to war, Or maybe you mean mens advantage in healthcare where research into women's healthcare issues are funded 8-1 over mens healthcare issues, Maybe you mean the advantage men have in the job market where the vast majority or dangerous or dirty jobs are occupied by men, I could go on and on about Male advantages but won't because this is football board.
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Guys, let's have one discussion at a time. Talking about Carroo is hard enough without being diverted into other topics, as important as they may be. And I'm not saying this out of opposition to the poster-- just suggesting this thread is not the right place.
I've been there before and I agree with mal and LevLec...get over it. And yes, mine involved all that was mentioned above.
A lot of bitterness towards women from a few here. I get it - divorces suck for all involved and a lot of shitty stuff happens, especially in the early years of it. But get over it, if she's not Satan.
Same goes with all the BS about women crying wolf. If you're involved in some type of DV incident, the odds are very good that 1) you did something wrong or 2) you're involved in the early stages of a divorce. Yes, there are exceptions, but they are NOT the rule.
A lot of bitterness towards women from a few here. I get it - divorces suck for all involved and a lot of shitty stuff happens, especially in the early years of it. But get over it, if she's not Satan.
Same goes with all the BS about women crying wolf. If you're involved in some type of DV incident, the odds are very good that 1) you did something wrong or 2) you're involved in the early stages of a divorce. Yes, there are exceptions, but they are NOT the rule.
FIFY..lol
Seriously though..31 years next month in spite of my addiction to Rutgers Sports. Lucky guy.
and yeah..sorry for my part in the left turn..
Very well written RUTBAY. It is indeed a scary environment on college campuses these days for males. Look at how many rape accusations that gained national attention have proved false. I will be saying a toast in your honor with my knuckle dragging disempowered male losers at the RU-TTFP watch party!
Yeah, look at the number of rape accusations that have proved false. Then compare it to the number of rapes.
It's not a scary environment...it's a different environment. I get that some of you want it to be like the old days when you could just bang some drunk random and move on the next day, but times have changed.
Yeah, it's really something to see someone post unironically about how scary college campuses are...for men. Holy moly.
Are you saying that college campuses are not a scary place for men these days. Holy Moly is right. We are having an epidemic of false rape allegations on campuses where young men are being denied their rights to due process, rules of evidence, even the right to counsel! I will spare rattling off a list of all the recent false allegations of rape on a college campus where a young mans life has been ruined at the hands of academics who fancy themselves as judge, jury and executioner only to be later found in a real court of law that they were wrong. These are indeed very scary times for young men on campuses all across the U.S. they are under attack by college administrators and faculty who think it is ok to ruin a young mans life so that an accuser of rape does not have to relive the experience through our courts of law, versus sham trials and public shaming that has recently occurred on campuses.
There is a lot of concern about the procedures followed in cases of alleged sexual assault, including by the Harvard Law faculty. But it's all irrelevant to this case, in which Carroo is not being charged with improper sexual contact.
No he doesn't. If he would like to know what an epidemic REALLY is - he should look at sexual assaults on college campuse
Concern about the procedures followed is valid, but it is conveniently hijacked by those on this thread - as I have seen it done in other venues. When someone has had contact with one of these cases they are more likely to get behind this "injustice to men."
Sexual assault IS an epidemic on today's campus. Falsely reported assaults is not. And no, things are probably not a lot different from what happened when I went to college. Only today, it has become important to society to recognize that having sex with someone when they are too inebriated to give consent is wrong. There's nothing too hard about it - if either of my boys would find themselves in that situation, I'd kick their ass sideways. But they won't, because they respect women. All women, even ones who put themselves in bad situations - they still should be treated with respect.
Yes, this thread has been hijacked and I'm contributing to it. It has nothing to do with Carroo. But some of the comments on here are so foolish I find it hard not to respond to them.
Well, I've long had you pegged as an absolute dumba$$, and you never disappoint. So there.
Ya know... I'm willing to bet that on a nice Saturday afternoon in the Blue lot, with your bellies full of hot dogs and whiskey, maybe tucked away for a little nap under the tent... you two would really hit it off. :D
