That is not true, a couple of years ago the NBA mandated that before every season every player be officially measured without shoes and weighed, with the results both posted on the team website and sent to the league office. That was when we learned Kevin Durant was 6’10” and not 7’. The other day I posted the heights without shoes of some of the guys who played locally. Jarrett Allen is 6’10 1/2, Nic Clayton is 6’11”, and Mitchell Robinson is 7’. The number of centers below 6’ 10” is small.
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It felt to me like we just removed/significantly reduced pnr and high ball screen action from the offense which lead to less opportunities for cliff and a drop off from Paul.
Take a look at Jarrett Allen’s without shoes measurement from the combine
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2017-18
Jarrett Allen was still a teenager and still growing during his first year in the league. Here is a article on the NBA policy:
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/10/nba-heights-new-official-durant-zion
I do remember this now that you mention it.
Having said that, Jarrett Allen is still listed at 6’9” today. As is Bam Adebayo, Robert Williams III, Charles Bassey, Naz Reid, Day’Ron Sharpe, Montrezl Harrel (6’7”), Bismack Biyombo (6’8”), Al Horford, Jericho Sims and Isaiah Stewart.
Reasons to go to the G-League
- Getting paid (unknown comparison between this $ and NIL $)
- Ability to focus 100% on basketball, development, and conditioning
- Coaching/competition/development will be more relevant to NBA game
Reasons to come back:
- NIL value from overseas trip ($ amt unknown)
- Completing his degree
- If he has an expectation of having a more eye-catching/dominant year
- If the draft board looks more favorable for his skillset next year than this year (no knowledge on this, but it is a factor in some players' decisions some years)
- A feeling of "unfinished business" after not making the tournament this year
- Getting paid (unknown comparison between this $ and NIL $)
- Ability to focus 100% on basketball, development, and conditioning
- Coaching/competition/development will be more relevant to NBA game
Reasons to come back:
- NIL value from overseas trip ($ amt unknown)
- Completing his degree
- If he has an expectation of having a more eye-catching/dominant year
- If the draft board looks more favorable for his skillset next year than this year (no knowledge on this, but it is a factor in some players' decisions some years)
- A feeling of "unfinished business" after not making the tournament this year
Nobody said he’d improve more at Rutgers than in the G-league, just that he would still continue to improve at Rutgers and become more experienced. That generally happens the more you play - regardless of where.
The point your missing is that if he leaves now, once in the G-league, his one year improvement trajectory needs to be exponentially greater than his development at Rutgers would need to be to actually increase his lifetime odds of playing in a single real NBA game. That’s the bar I’m looking at here - I don’t realistically see Cliff developing into an NBA stud so to me - whether he plows through the G league now or in a year or 2, his best case scenerio is probably utility back up big for a year or so. Would love to be wrong but that’s likely the deal.
The way I see it - he has not 1 but 2 more chances to have a Luka Garza type college break out season (not the same type of player but I’m referring to impact volume not style). If he does that, his chance of playing in the NBA at some point sky rockets. I still see the probability of him having a college season like that as greater than the chance that he consistently stands out enough as a G league player to work his way from bottom of the barrel undrafted to a roster. It’s much easier to bounce back from a 5 rebound night against Hofstra than it is in the Gleague when your game is off.
he has no low post game either. no moves to score. always pivots to a lower % shot. with him it's dunk, FT or a wasted pass. The NW frosh backup center ate him up.
I don't think NBA is in the cards for Cliff despite the insane athleticism. Falls well short in skills.
Despite the above, he's VG at this level. Will be a big void if he leaves. Wolf doesn't have Cliff's talent or NBA upside unfortunately.
Not exactly. And since I had not yet voiced an opinion in this thread, I laid out my thinking here. But I was saying I want interested in picking a fight over it.
The point with G league also is that there is likely one chance--and you dont want to take that swing till youre ready. Again, too many players who may have been NBA players came out too early when they were not developed. Cliff's not ready. Not even nearly developed--see D footwork which is really subpar.
Thus, he will improve while at RU, perhaps less than G league (perhaps not depending on situation).
He will be MORE READY for his shot after one more year of basketball wherever it is, while now his likley one shot would be wasted.
This is completely wrong. Cliff is never going to be a go to option in the NBA, and, guess what, that’s not a bad thing! Look at the nba! Unless you’re Jokic, being the best player on your team as a center means you probably won’t go very far.
Teams want players who can run pick and roll, defend the rim, and not be an absolute liability from the free throw line. Everything else is gravy.
Yeah very good way of putting it. G league typically is a one shot deal.
Under Reasons to go to the G-Leauge I'd add
- Chasing the NBA dream he's probably had his whole life
Absolutely. Draymond Green plays center at 6’6. It’s more about length than height these days. A good comparable is Clint Capela in both play style and measurables (Capela is a drop taller without shoes but Cliff beats him in standing reach, wingspan, and handsize by a bit).
He’s not increasing his net odds of achieving
the goal of playing in an NBA game by going straight to the G-league. His best lifetime odds of making a roster remain with having a stand out year at Rutgers because that would almost assure him a 2 way contract at minimum. In that case, if he performs servicably in the G-league he’ll likely get pulled up for a game or so at min.
You seem to be severely inflating his odds of crawling his way onto a roster from where he’s currently at. It’s much harder to work your way up without at least a 2 way contract. And he’s not getting that right now.
You're cherry picking measurables here to make your point. Cliff is nowhere near the player Green is. I hate the guy, but he is an outstanding player. Capela averaged 12 and 11 in the NBA last season. THey may look the same physically, but Cliff has nowhere near his offensive game at this time.
That's really under both. Chasing it immediately instead of waiting one more year, sure.
At some point I'm sure the dream shifted from playing in the World Cup to playing in the NBA, when his focus shifted from soccer to basketball.
Another year at Rutgers assures him a 2-way?
After the first three didn’t?
Warriors have also played with Looney and Kuminga as the biggest man on the floor. Looney is same height kuminga is smaller.
Sixers with Paul reed. Celtics Robert williams. Heat Bam. Nuggets will play a lineup with Aaron Gordon biggest guy on floor. Suns played biyombo.
These are playoff teams playing guys 6’9 6’8 etc and most of them don’t take any mid range attempts or 3s and if they do it’s barely any.
I swear I don’t think you guys are watching the game.
Every team in the league has a need for screen and lobs big who can’t shoot somewhere on their roster.
You really need to watch Ron Harper in the G League. He was far better than the last year Rutgers Harper after only 6 months in the G League. Why, because he is a 24/7 basketball player. At Rutgers, the coaches get 15 hours per week. Players can put in extra time but they still have classes and studying.
I think he could get same kind of 2 way contract Harper got.
Yes, teams play smaller players in the post, but they tend to be more highly skilled all around players to offset their lack of size. Every team would prefer to have a bigger center, there are just not enough big skilled guys to go around. And look what happened to Golden State, they got destroyed in the paint in the playoffs, they will be desperate to find a much bigger center.
I love Steve Kerr. He has this radical and revolutionary system that I hope Pike adopts at times next year
Kerf puts his best five players on the floor at the same time
He will not get a 2 way contract if he leaves now. He could get one next year like Ron did if he has a very good next season. I wouldn’t say he had a good enough season last year to warrant it though. 50% shooting isn’t that good for a Big man.
I am sure you don't know if he can get a 2 way contract this year. I don't know for sure either. That's why I said "I think he could".
It’s unlikely he would earn one without making the combine. I don’t have the exact data on it but statistically, very few guys have ever gotten one without going to the combine. I’m sure there are a few exceptions that can be pointed to throughout history but the odds are low. RHJ got one by going to the combine and performing well. Cliff had one good day at the G-league camp (the second day he didn’t do that much).
He’d get invited to a summer camp where he’d compete for a spot on a G-league roster.
But there’s the misconception on display, they are not putting these “smaller bigs” as you like to call them, in the post.
Tomorrow hasn't come yet.
In 2021 RHJ and Geo announced their returns at the last possible minute.
Just a warning that it may be a long day tomorrow. Decision might not be announced until later in the day.
Just a warning that it may be a long day tomorrow. Decision might not be announced until later in the day.
Cliff is just waiting for JaMichael Davis' family to all be together to make his announcement.
Not if Cliff doesn’t come back.
Tomorrow could also be just withdrawing from the draft. I would think Cliff will be getting $500K+ offers.
If Dickinson getting $1,000,000 I’d tell Cliff we will find a way to get you $2,000,000 if you stay 2 years.
$500K offers from who? He's not in the portal
