He certainly isn't desperate to win. Desperate coaches run gimmick plays, on side kicks, fake field goals. Instead Coach Ash is trying to build a tank but we are only at manufacturing the parts at the moment.
Coach Ash said we may not win this year
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Said it in another thread. Ash is a guy who knows he is in gun fights with knives. It's why he doesn't get in kids faces often. They try. They just aren't blessed with ability.
Keep implementimg the system across the board and recruit recruit recruit.
Keep implementimg the system across the board and recruit recruit recruit.
This would be fine and all but ash said in the preseason that there is talent in this program , just not the depth he wanted . The BIG summer road shoe on BTN also said there was talent here when they came to see us .
Our talent is not 49-0 worse than another terrible conference team. Ash looks over his head now and yeah he's got to recruit , recruit and recruit .
"there is talent in this program" - well, there IS, he's not lying, he just kept out the "not much" part in lieu of sounding like a complete douche. The B1G summer road show, btw, says that about EVERY team LOL!
No question there is a talent shortfall but today's result in not all about a lack of talent.
The players we currently have give what they've got, and some of them are talented, but there's simply not enough who fall into that category on the roster.
I guarantee that if players the caliber of tOSU's put on Rutgers uniforms and played for us, the RU coaching staff would suddenly look like geniuses. Great players have a tendency to make coaches look that way.
As others have said in this thread, the only way to fix the situation is to relentlessly recruit, recruit, recruit, and then recruit some more, (and, most importantly, sign on LOI day), the very best prospects available who believe in Ash's vision for the program. There's simply no way to cut corners in that regard, 'cause if you wanna have a chance in the race you gotta have the horses. (And unfortunately...and painfully...we sure as hell aren't in that position right now.)
I guarantee that if players the caliber of tOSU's put on Rutgers uniforms and played for us, the RU coaching staff would suddenly look like geniuses. Great players have a tendency to make coaches look that way.
As others have said in this thread, the only way to fix the situation is to relentlessly recruit, recruit, recruit, and then recruit some more, (and, most importantly, sign on LOI day), the very best prospects available who believe in Ash's vision for the program. There's simply no way to cut corners in that regard, 'cause if you wanna have a chance in the race you gotta have the horses. (And unfortunately...and painfully...we sure as hell aren't in that position right now.)
There is talent, but not depth. Most B1G teams have depth so when their talented guys get worn down during conference play another guy can step up. At certain positions, we lose one or two guys and we are shot. Just look at the LBs and safeties. LBs are thin, each starter is banged up, and we can really only rotate three safeties at both spots. This isn't the Big East where we play a Louisville or Cincinnati, then follow up with UConn, Syracuse and USF. Every team has a bunch of bruisers. Cali said it, recruit and and we'll get that depth to survive the schedule.
He has said from day 1 it's about moving forward in the process not wins. He had never talked about wins. There is a mountain to climb here.
I honestly don't think there is talent here, not major college talent. The guys we get are for most part, guys that didn't get other big schools scholarships. We don't beat out Mich, OSU, and Alabama for kids, we beat out Temple, UConn, and Buffalo for kids.
Ash is going to have a very hard time recruiting after this season. getting shutout today was 100% on this staff. They are clearly in way over their head. I hope he figures it out, as he will have time to do so, but I have very little hope that he can. I am disgusted and embarrassed today.
True. This was the case with Flood and, for the most part, is still the case with Ash. The big lie is that he has elevated recruiting way above Flood levels. He has not. Take a look at our commit list and see who these kids are getting offers from. Hint: it's not OSU or bama. It's not even PSU or Maryland. Chris Ash is a MFin' fraud.
Yes, of course he has to recruit. But recruiting is not everything. The ability to coach up, scheme, etc does mean something. Just look at Hoke/Harbaugh. Jimbo is still playing with Hoke's players. Is Harbaugh a great coach or was Hoke a terrible coach? When you're done answering that, tell me coaching doesn't matter.
Flood inherited a program at a peak, and got one Top Ten NJ kid in four years. Ash inherited a program at a trough, and got four Top Ten NJ kids in less than one year.
Yeah right, a fraud.
This same OC went almost 24 straight minutes in the second half of the Indiana game last Saturday without making One 1st down. AT HOME. That was 7 straight 3 and Out series.
If Ash dose not change OC at the end of this season you have to question his ability to be a HC.
Dude...Hoke still recruited very well. Only team who recruited better in the B1G was Ohio State. Peppers, Darboh, etc.
I agree recruiting is not everything though. If you want to be good/great you need both the talent and coaching. It's not one or the other. That's a myth.
I agree you need both but which side do you lean heavier on and for me it's coaching/development.
I've said I always see recruiting as a tiered pyramid with the tiers getting wider as you go down. So just arbitrarily say 1-15 is about the same talent wise, 16-40, 41- 80, etc... To me most coaches by and large will recruit the same tier that you'd expect from the status of program where they work. Yea some will do a little better and some worse but I think most will be in that same tier that the program usually will attain. So to me coaching differentiates how you elevate yourselves and maybe in time if you do it enough you also improve the tier your program normally recruited in.
A few things:
- the positive/negative thing is canard. History has shown this affects nothing.
- some have said that Rockne couldn't win with this team. Fine. Definitely not in year one, but he'd get canned just as ash will if he keeps getting blown out. Eventually winning matters.
- ash deserves the time to get HIS kids. He will probably get the time, will he get his kids? At some point the losing and blowouts will nullify ash's vision.
- recruit, recruit, recruit. winning, winning, winning. catch22, catch22, catch22. In the near future, if he doesn't win a bit with less, the suspension of disbelief needed by these kids will evaporate.
- the positive/negative thing is canard. History has shown this affects nothing.
- some have said that Rockne couldn't win with this team. Fine. Definitely not in year one, but he'd get canned just as ash will if he keeps getting blown out. Eventually winning matters.
- ash deserves the time to get HIS kids. He will probably get the time, will he get his kids? At some point the losing and blowouts will nullify ash's vision.
- recruit, recruit, recruit. winning, winning, winning. catch22, catch22, catch22. In the near future, if he doesn't win a bit with less, the suspension of disbelief needed by these kids will evaporate.
Coachspeak. What's he going to say? We suck?
We had talent. Grant got hurt. Everything else on this team is slow motion dudes that get pushed around easily.
Like you pointed out in the game thread. Just look at the special teams running to see the true team speed. It's quite apparent our guys look like turtles out there. This gives you a good indication of just how slow and nonathletic these players are.
They may have heart and be great people, but they just don't have God given athletic ability compared to their peers. They have the team speed and athleticism of an FCS squad. Sorry if it hurts anyone's feelings, but it's the truth. Not everyone can play P5 football and a lot of these guys shouldn't be.
You would think that this would have been noticed right away and they would have gotten a punter and a kicker, even if they were walk ons.
by the end of the year this line will be very long, he hasn't shown much as a head coach, being successful at ohio state isn't the hardest thing to accomplish with that roster, being a head coach is way different. so far he has failed with his coordinator's hires, motivating the team, game plans (we always fall way behind at the start of every game) not owning up to the coordinator's shortfalls all season long
From what I've seen, if a new coach takes over a broken down team and the team is still wretched even by the end of the first season with no signs of life or close losses to a really good opponent it's not a sure sign that the coach is going to fail but it does mean the turnaround is likely to be slow. You do not have a magician leading your team. The turnaround artists show it immediately. When Sarkisian took over a hideously bad Washington that went 0-12 the previous season and not much better in the years before that he finished 5-7 the first year including a win over USC in Week THREE. There's no way he could've inherited a team with anything but an empty cupboard. On the other hand, Sarkisian never went on to lead Washington to anything but mediocre seasons with a single 8-4 year being the best one. I'd rather have someone who will get us to a higher place even if it takes a while than a coach that wins immediately but never gets above mediocrity. Whether or not Ash can get above mediocrity, even after a long slog, remains to be seen. I was hoping for more early promising signs than I've seen. Stay tuned.
We did get a kicker, that one of the services had as 7th best in the country.
We're not as bad as the blow out scores suggest. A few play makers and the whole tenor of the team changes. Compare the team with a healthy Gio to that with him dinged up. Or the squad with Grant and it w/o him. Things will get better.
No, I mean one that can consistently hit the end zone on kickoffs. We don't seem to have that. And wasn't he the one that started on kickoffs this year, and we switched to Bonagura for KO and PKs?
This has to be a priority for next year. Kicker and a punter.
OSU uses the short kick as a strategy. The idea being if they catch it at the 5-10, their guys can get down and tackle in the 15-20.
Our team is so bad our kicker can only kick it to the 10, and our team gives up reruns to the 30-35.
We are that slow. And specials has your best athletes across the board.
Our team is so bad our kicker can only kick it to the 10, and our team gives up reruns to the 30-35.
We are that slow. And specials has your best athletes across the board.
