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COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...

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If the NJ resident was asymptomatic it kind blows a huge hole in the WHO statement on asymptomatic transmission, no? I can't find any info on whether the NJ resident was symptomatic.
Haven’t seen anything on that yet but we’ve seen it with other outbreaks in gatherings. I don’t think there was anyone reported sick in that cluster in that Washington choir and many of them got infected. Same for some other gatherings. So I can’t say that I buy the asymptomatic spread is rare thing as it stands right now.
 
Haven’t seen anything on that yet but we’ve seen it with other outbreaks in gatherings. I don’t think there was anyone reported sick in that cluster in that Washington choir and many of them got infected. Same for some other gatherings. So I can’t say that I buy the asymptomatic spread is rare thing as it stands right now.
It's like the hair salon in Missouri exposed 140 customers. Big news for a few days. 2 weeks later no one has symptoms and 42 were tested, all were negative yet not a single nation story since the panic about 140 people being exposed.
 
Haven’t seen anything on that yet but we’ve seen it with other outbreaks in gatherings. I don’t think there was anyone reported sick in that cluster in that Washington choir and many of them got infected. Same for some other gatherings. So I can’t say that I buy the asymptomatic spread is rare thing as it stands right now.
Agreed...
 
Evaluate.com is a very credible source so I am really happy to see so many MABs in the pipeline - could be a game changer. One concern I have on the vaccine front is that it’s only China that seems to be pursuing the tried and true attenuated virus approach - isn’t there any US company going this route?
As for all the criticism of Murphy - you can’t argue with the numbers which are trending in a very positive direction in NJ especially considering how hard hit we were. He and his administration are giving very detailed plans for a measured and careful re-opening. I still personally think it’s too fast and that people are going to be very careless but we will see. As for the protests - as long as people wear masks and practice social distancing risk should be low. I agree with Murphy that this is a seminal moment in US history so it’s hard to stop the momentum.
Murphy always pays tribute to those who perished to Covid. Last week a husband and wife with a 19 year old daughter. Today he highlighted a 105 year old woman and former nurse who was in “perfect” health but succumbed to the virus and a 53 year old mother of three and frontline worker. Meanwhile 39 NJ children have had inflammatory syndrome that caused hospitalization due to Covid
 
Evaluate.com is a very credible source so I am really happy to see so many MABs in the pipeline - could be a game changer. One concern I have on the vaccine front is that it’s only China that seems to be pursuing the tried and true attenuated virus approach - isn’t there any US company going this route?
As for all the criticism of Murphy - you can’t argue with the numbers which are trending in a very positive direction in NJ especially considering how hard hit we were. He and his administration are giving very detailed plans for a measured and careful re-opening. I still personally think it’s too fast and that people are going to be very careless but we will see. As for the protests - as long as people wear masks and practice social distancing risk should be low. I agree with Murphy that this is a seminal moment in US history so it’s hard to stop the momentum.
Murphy always pays tribute to those who perished to Covid. Last week a husband and wife with a 19 year old daughter. Today he highlighted a 105 year old woman and former nurse who was in “perfect” health but succumbed to the virus and a 53 year old mother of three and frontline worker. Meanwhile 39 NJ children have had inflammatory syndrome that caused hospitalization due to Covid
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It's like the hair salon in Missouri exposed 140 customers. Big news for a few days. 2 weeks later no one has symptoms and 42 were tested, all were negative yet not a single nation story since the panic about 140 people being exposed.
Yea and I’ve mentioned that here and followed it up as well and 45 tested negative but the other 95 chose not to get tested for whatever reason. But all were wearing masks both the stylists and customers and obviously it's close contact and with some duration as well. Also both the stylists were symptomatic for about a week as well IIRC...if anything I take it as a demonstration that masks help reduce the rate of transmission. That's actually why I paid attention to that story.....to have a gauge on how much the masks may have helped.
 
Yea and I’ve mentioned that here and followed it up as well and 45 tested negative but the other 95 chose not to get tested for whatever reason. But all were wearing masks both the stylists and customers and obviously it's close contact and with some duration as well. Also the stylists were symptomatic for about a week as well IIRC...if anything I take it as a demonstration that masks help reduce the rate of transmission. That's actually why I paid attention to that story.....to have a gauge on how much the masks may have helped.
It's also bigger indication that people in close contact for a long time with someone infected the infection rates aren't as high as it was in the beginning.
 
It's also bigger indication that people in close contact for a long time with someone infected the infection rates aren't as high as it was in the beginning.
Well no one (let alone everyone) in that salon probably would have been wearing masks in the beginning of the outbreak. If they were would the results have been the same or worse? I don't know.
 

Read the whole thread.
That TIME article touches on that pre-symptomatic vs asymptomatic difference. It mentions that most people who are asymptomatic are asymptomatic for the duration and never develop symptoms. But as I posted above also from that TIME article that doesn't necessarily mean damage isn't being done to their bodies (lungs) without their knowledge of it.

From the article:

Topol and his co-author, Daniel Oran, searched for published and unpublished studies that included asymptomatic people and focused on 16 different groups of people screened or tested for COVID-19 around the world. Among others, these included a cohort of more than 13,000 people in Iceland who volunteered to be tested for COVID-19 (the largest group included), as well as residents of Vo, Italy; passengers on the Diamond Princess cruise ship where an outbreak occurred; visitors to homeless shelters in Boston and Los Angeles; prison inmates; college students; and nursing home residents in King County, WA.

Five of these studies included follow up testing of the participants; they showed that only a small fraction of people who were asymptomatic when they tested positive the first time then went on to develop symptoms. That allowed the researchers to distinguish between people who are pre-symptomatic—those who test positive but eventually go on to develop symptoms—and those who are truly asymptomatic, and test positive for COVID-19 but never develop obvious symptoms. Among the more than 2300 people sampled in the Vo population, none of the 41% who had no symptoms when they tested positive ever developed symptoms over a 14 day period.

That wouldn’t be worrisome if it weren’t for other research beginning to show that levels of virus in people who are asymptomatic are similar to those among people who develop symptoms. That suggests that while they may not be outwardly showing any signs of illness, asymptomatic people are still carrying a potentially dangerous burden of infectious virus that they can spread to others.
 
Evaluate.com is a very credible source so I am really happy to see so many MABs in the pipeline - could be a game changer. One concern I have on the vaccine front is that it’s only China that seems to be pursuing the tried and true attenuated virus approach - isn’t there any US company going this route?
As for all the criticism of Murphy - you can’t argue with the numbers which are trending in a very positive direction in NJ especially considering how hard hit we were. He and his administration are giving very detailed plans for a measured and careful re-opening. I still personally think it’s too fast and that people are going to be very careless but we will see. As for the protests - as long as people wear masks and practice social distancing risk should be low. I agree with Murphy that this is a seminal moment in US history so it’s hard to stop the momentum.
Murphy always pays tribute to those who perished to Covid. Last week a husband and wife with a 19 year old daughter. Today he highlighted a 105 year old woman and former nurse who was in “perfect” health but succumbed to the virus and a 53 year old mother of three and frontline worker. Meanwhile 39 NJ children have had inflammatory syndrome that caused hospitalization due to Covid


sorry seminal moment? wtf...its telling people that certain things are okay and more important....saying this is more important than someone else beliefs or dead loved one not having a funeral or a man struggling to survive because his business is shuttered...but seminal moment...wtf
 
Yes those are individual issues which we are ALL experiencing in some measure right now, whether death of a loved one with no corporate funeral or business losses. Note that memorial services can be held when safe and there are many initiatives that can help mitigate business losses including PPP and CARES act. Whether you accept it or not systemic racism is a huge issue which is even bigger than a global pandemic.
 
Well no one (let alone everyone) in that salon probably would have been wearing masks in the beginning of the outbreak. If they were would the results have been the same or worse? I don't know.
Masks in most states weren't required in the beginning of lockdown. In PA supermarket personel were required to wear mask and the customers were not for a long time.
I haven't seen a story similar to the salon about any Supermarkets infecting customers or vise versa anywhere in the country. And thousands of people shop each store everyday.
 
Masks in most states weren't required in the beginning of lockdown. In PA supermarket personel were required to wear mask and the customers were not for a long time.
I haven't seen a story similar to the salon about any Supermarkets infecting customers or vise versa anywhere in the country. And thousands of people shop each store everyday.

And Pa has the 4th most Covid deaths in the country.
 
WHO once again changes it’s claims regarding how asymptomatic patients could be spreaders...it is not as easy as they originally thought . You need to be coughing, sneezing in order to spread it ...We probably should have isolated at home the obvious infected and had everyone else social distance and wear masks... never had to shutdown the entire economy.
 
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Yet when I asked #s to stick to medical information and check his frequent trump bashing at the door early in this thread you referred to me as a snowflake. Some might call that hypocrisy. And BTW, I applaud #s for his compliance since then.

Show me the specific post where I called you a snowflake. I'll wait.

As I said a number of posts above we all bring our own political bias into this thread.

But it is obvious to tell who is here primarily to spread their political beliefs and who isn't. RU #'s is clearly in group that is not.
 
Fascinating story from ABC on satellite analysis of activity (parked cars, for example) in Wuhan area hospitals, showing significant increases as early as September of last year. It doesn't mean the government necessarily "knew" about an outbreak earlier (although I think they did), but it certainly points to the outbreak starting before the current official mid-Nov date from the Chinese government. These are some bad folks in charge of that country.

As I've said many times, there's simply no way they've been truthful on this outbreak, since there's no way they could possibly have 1/4 the cases/deaths per 1MM people as South Korea does, since SK was ready and they were not and we know China shut down a whole province of 80MM people while SK never had to go anywhere near that far. I guess it's possible that in the midst of the chaos they missed many cases, but it seems like way too many to have missed - if they simply had SK's case rate, they would've had 320K cases, not the 83K they've reported (and more than double the 4600 deaths reported).

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...t-china-earlier-researchers/story?id=71123270
 
Fascinating story from ABC on satellite analysis of activity (parked cars, for example) in Wuhan area hospitals, showing significant increases as early as September of last year. It doesn't mean the government necessarily "knew" about an outbreak earlier (although I think they did), but it certainly points to the outbreak starting before the current official mid-Nov date from the Chinese government. These are some bad folks in charge of that country.

As I've said many times, there's simply no way they've been truthful on this outbreak, since there's no way they could possibly have 1/4 the cases/deaths per 1MM people as South Korea does, since SK was ready and they were not and we know China shut down a whole province of 80MM people while SK never had to go anywhere near that far. I guess it's possible that in the midst of the chaos they missed many cases, but it seems like way too many to have missed - if they simply had SK's case rate, they would've had 320K cases, not the 83K they've reported (and more than double the 4600 deaths reported).

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...t-china-earlier-researchers/story?id=71123270
You got me thinking about SK and how they have handled things since their "spike" as some had called it a couple weeks ago.

And although they have ticked up from around late April/early May, a time when they were posting new case #'s in the single digits and low teens, they still have not had a day in triple digits new cases since April 1st. Yesterday they reported 38 new cases.
 
Which means what?
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The NJ resident was symptomatic.
It would seem logical that the those with no symptoms weren’t spreaders . Now if previously ill with minor symptoms but now healthy why would they infect others. The secret was they couldn’t pass it along but just the fear drove us to shutdown everything. More fake news I guess.
 
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Show me the specific post where I called you a snowflake. I'll wait.

As I said a number of posts above we all bring our own political bias into this thread.

But it is obvious to tell who is here primarily to spread their political beliefs and who isn't. RU #'s is clearly in group that is not.
You're right I made it up for shits and giggles. Don't be a defensive little prick. I'm not sifting through 150 pages.
 
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