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Data shows that it is very rare for asymptotic folks to spread the virus. Also, young children aren't spreaders either. So starting up schools is a no-brainer:
https://www.wired.com/story/the-case-for-reopening-schools/
COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
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Data shows that it is very rare for asymptotic folks to spread the virus. Also, young children aren't spreaders either. So starting up schools is a no-brainer:
https://www.wired.com/story/the-case-for-reopening-schools/
Well, back to the purpose of this thread.
Last night my dear wife asked if I would drive down to NJ for the day to celebrate her sister's birthday. My sister-in-law has two adult children that live with her. My position was that there is still a pandemic going on and it would be reckless to drive 300 miles in one day just to share a birthday and sing Happy Birthday. From a purely public health POV, what would some of you folks do?
Last night my dear wife asked if I would drive down to NJ for the day to celebrate her sister's birthday. My sister-in-law has two adult children that live with her. My position was that there is still a pandemic going on and it would be reckless to drive 300 miles in one day just to share a birthday and sing Happy Birthday. From a purely public health POV, what would some of you folks do?
Go and celebrate..good lord your sister in law could die tomorrow in a car accident
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I wish we had a politics board, but this is just objectively wrong. Do a quick search for neocons and you're going to find a bunch of those names on the list.
what does the distance have to do with it? would you go if she lived around the corner? I'd go regardless, but I'm 35 with no health complications.
In a couple weeks I have three couples coming over for a dinner party. We all agree not to attend if anyone has cold symptoms. I will not interact with my parents or in-laws for ten days thereafter. Carefully enjoying life and being thoughtful of others is the way now.
It took me 30 seconds
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...ventions-and-more.191275/page-67#post-4503349
I'm wondering how you can have a 67 page thread about a global pandemic and not touch upon politics?
It is almost impossible. We all have our political biases and so does RU#'s. But comparing the value he has brought to this board versus the very innocuous political jabs, people have to get a grip and not be such snowflakes.
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I would lean towards going. 300 miles is far, so I’m not saying I would necessarily go depending on all the circumstances, but you should still be making an effort to see family in a reasonable and safe manner.
Maybe, if you still feel uncomfortable, you can try to push the visit to July 4th and make it a mostly outdoor BBQ. And make sure your wife reminds her sister in the week or two leading up to be extra cautious with their social distancing.
He said I specifically referred to him. Here is what he posted:
Yet when I asked #s to stick to medical information and check his frequent trump bashing at the door early in this thread you referred to me as a snowflake.
Then he told me I was a hypocrite.
Look, this isn't rocket science. Since you are so keen on going back and finding posts, find me one post in this thread where I initiated direct insults with any particular poster.
My Lord. It is very clear who is here to attack posters and who is here to have honest and civil discussions.
Thank you for your reply. The 300 miles plays into the decision whether it is worth it or not in the first place. My wife and I are both over 60 but with no health issues. My nephew is a truck driver and they both are out and about.
My suggestion was to do a Zoom virtual birthday. But again, thanks for your input.
Try again. That was in reference to White Bus who had been making personal attacks all morning.
You're welcome. If I were 60 I would think twice about it. More info coming out now about blood type that may have greater susceptibility, treatments getting closer, asymptomatic people not being contagious... point being that you've made it three months of relative isolation, it might be best to wait it out another month as we are learning some really important things very recently and I suspect we will achieve some knowledge breakthroughs in the coming weeks. Good health.
Yeah, that's the thing about this whole discussion. The "facts" keep changing almost by the day.
WHO backtracking/clarifying a little on the asymptomatic spread being rare comments.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/09/who...coronavirus-spread-much-is-still-unknown.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/09/who...coronavirus-spread-much-is-still-unknown.html
I may have missed some posts on this, but here's the bottom line. Anyone who cares about one's friends, family, neighbors and citizens, in general, would wear a mask in public or in private, where social distancing can't be easily maintained, both to protect the wearer and everyone else, in case that person is infected. The WHO guidance is poorly done, just like some previous guidances (like the mask flip-flops).
The bottom line is that the WHO communication was woefully inadequate. Yes, transmissions from people who are infected and asymptomatic and remain asymptomatic (maybe 30% of all infections) are less common (but nowhere near zero) than transmission from infected and asymptomatic patients who go on to develop symptoms and illness (~70% of infections), i.e., "presymptomatic" patients. Transmission from such patients is highest just before symptoms develop, as per the excerpt below, from a paper in Nature, one of the premier scientific journals in the world.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0869-5
"We observed the highest viral load in throat swabs at the time of symptom onset, and inferred that infectiousness peaked on or before symptom onset. We estimated that 44% (95% confidence interval, 25–69%) of secondary cases were infected during the index cases’ presymptomatic stage, in settings with substantial household clustering, active case finding and quarantine outside the home."
Since people are unable to know if they're infected but presymptomatic, concern for one's fellow citizens dictates that people should wear masks, which have been clearly demonstrated to greatly reduce transmissions of the virus. I struggle with understanding how everyone cannot understand this. Are people saying "freedom" from being told what to do is more important than potentially infecting and killing someone else? If so, that's a sad statement.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/satellite-pics-coronavirus-spread/index.html
This one mentions August...
That sure seems to be the pivot right now.
By definition (when used as a verb) pivot means to turn or spin. It will be interesting to see what the next “pivot” will be as we move into the Summer and later the Fall.
lol, perfect timing - the WHO continues to not distinguish itself lately...
Thank God President Trump is defunding WHO. They are all over the map.
How many people are gonna be at that party and will it be outside with space? If I’m over 60, I’m not in a rush to drive 300 miles if it will be somewhat close quarters with people talking in my face all day.
AK - the issue for me wouldn't be the drive, which you normally wouldn't worry about, per se, it would be the potential contact. If you've been maintaining quarantine and want to remain infection-free, you really need to think about whether or not the group you're visiting is likely to be infection-free also. If you're not 100% sure, at the very least, wear a mask and maintain distancing. We've had several "visits" with friends that have been fun, but we all keep >6 feet away.
I missed your diatribe on the protests the past 2 weeks
The fact she has adult children living with her is a red flag. If those kids were under 10 then I would say you would be fine. Most data says little risk from those under 10 are the spreaders. And I’m not just stating something from Swiss scientists. Wear a mask and socially distance though and even then you should be fine. Live your life like our political leaders in New Jersey and around the country. Get out and mingle with the masses. “ reach out and touch someone”.
New admissions were only 80.That's the key number as this thing is probably weakening and will soon go bye-bye just as Sylvia Browne predicted in 2008.
Under 450 cases three days in a row... great job New Jersey! R-naught down to .64.
Stay at home order has been lifted immediately. Outdoor gatherings allowed up to 250 June 22 and up to 500 in early July. I guess Murph took too much heat for hanging out at the protests this past weekend.
Stay at home order has been lifted immediately. Outdoor gatherings allowed up to 250 June 22 and up to 500 in early July. I guess Murph took too much heat for hanging out at the protests this past weekend.
Yes, Florida cases up but hospitalizations way down. To my point last week, maybe virus is losing https://thecapitolist.com/florida-case-numbers-suggests-covid-19-may-be-losing-potency/
Murphy is such an ass. Yet another one of his "science-driven" decisions that he implements and then quickly has to backtrack on after licking his finger & detecting public opinion has shifted. I welcome the immediate lifting of this bogus stay-at-home extension.
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Social distancing is over. We are already back in the office and so are many others out here. Really great news.
Well that would prove how incompetent and corrupt that organization is... why would the US or any sane country listen to these fools led by Tedros..
As I said before, I have zero problem with people being out in public as long as they wear masks, especially when social distancing is difficult and most of the protesters did wear masks and some were social distancing, but certainly not all and that was just stupid. We'll likely see some small spikes in cases due to the protests. I wish the media and politicians had been more critical of that aspect of the protests.
Being back in the office can be done with social distancing and masking - both are required at most companies. If you're not doing those things, you're risking the health of people you work with, especially in CA where there has been a modest rise in cases the past week or two.
Not me. I love THE WHO. Rain on Me is one of my favorite songs of all time!
All attributed to the lootin and riotin.
Masks outside of the office, none inside. At my country club, all the employees are in masks. Members aren’t.
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