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COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...

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Today's daily reversal via the WHO or CDC:

Asymptomatic coronavirus patients aren’t spreading most new infections, WHO says
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asy...-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

Key points:
Coronavirus patients who don’t have symptoms aren’t driving spread of the virus, the World Health Organization said Monday.

Preliminary evidence from the earliest outbreaks indicated the virus could spread even if people don’t have symptoms.

But the WHO says that while asympomatic spread can occur, it is not a main driver of transmission.
Pulling a #'s and replying to myself! :)

More on today's news:

Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says

Key points:
Government responses should focus on detecting and isolating infected people with symptoms, the World Health Organization said.
Preliminary evidence from the earliest outbreaks indicated the virus could spread even if people didn’t have symptoms.
But the WHO says that while asymptomatic spread can occur, it is “very rare.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asy...-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html
 
Awesome. Any idea who the company is behind it? Working so far hopefully???
I believe Quest was hired to take the blood samples but not sure if they are actually doing all of it.

I'm sure our own in house Medical Bureau will be putting something out when it's all done. They have done great stuff with regards to pulmonology and some other collaborative things with oncology.

Btw, my own results came back negative for antibodies.
 
Pulling a #'s and replying to myself! :)

More on today's news:

Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says

Key points:
Government responses should focus on detecting and isolating infected people with symptoms, the World Health Organization said.
Preliminary evidence from the earliest outbreaks indicated the virus could spread even if people didn’t have symptoms.
But the WHO says that while asymptomatic spread can occur, it is “very rare.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asy...-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

I had been reading stuff like this past 2 weeks
 
I believe Quest was hired to take the blood samples but not sure if they are actually doing all of it.

I'm sure our own in house Medical Bureau will be putting something out when it's all done. They have done great stuff with regards to pulmonology and some other collaborative things with oncology.

Btw, my own results came back negative for antibodies.

I was talking about antibody treatment, not testing. Would be sweet if your entire house got to test out an antibody treatment.
 
Sure and that all makes sense. I'd like to see if someone could study patient records and see if there's a pattern that suggests the second or third or fourth member of a family to get covid often gets a worse case because of the long term/high exposure in the home. Of course, sometimes the first person infected will also get a large initial dose from wherever, but it would be interesting to see if in general subsequent cases in the home were worse than the first.

I know you and let's go and a few others know this, but many don't: most of the research on transmission and infection parameters, including things like how much viral dose gets a person sick (and how much that depends on the giver and receiver) and how much does the eventual sickness depend on the initial viral dose (and other factors), are based on inference from observations and/or research on animal models, since it's simply unethical to do what's needed scientifically, i.e., controlled exposure/infection studies.

As a result, all of the "data" on interventions/mitigations, like masks, social distancing, shutdowns, etc., are all at least one step removed from these inferences, so there's a decent amount of uncertainty in all of this. It's frustrating, but directionally, at least, we have far better understanding of all of these interventions than we did 3 months ago. These uncertainties have also been why the guidances evolve over time.
 
Pulling a #'s and replying to myself! :)

More on today's news:

Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says

Key points:
Government responses should focus on detecting and isolating infected people with symptoms, the World Health Organization said.
Preliminary evidence from the earliest outbreaks indicated the virus could spread even if people didn’t have symptoms.
But the WHO says that while asymptomatic spread can occur, it is “very rare.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asy...-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html
Can't say I buy that. Why the change in recommendations on everyone wearing masks including healthy if asymptomatic spread is so rare. Another study says 30% and likely 40-45% of spread is from asymptomatic. Some of these gatherings like the choir in Washington and others no one reported any symptoms yet many in the gathering got infected. Some asymptomatic infections are having damage done to their lungs and don't even realize it.

Section from a Time article a few days ago:

In a study published June 3 in the Annals of Internal Medicine, researchers at the Scripps Research Translational Institute reviewed data from 16 different groups of COVID-19 patients from around the world to get a better idea of how many cases of coronavirus can likely be traced to people who spread the virus without ever knowing they were infected. Their conclusion: at minimum, 30%, and more likely 40% to 45%.

Topol and his co-author, Daniel Oran, searched for published and unpublished studies that included asymptomatic people and focused on 16 different groups of people screened or tested for COVID-19 around the world. Among others, these included a cohort of more than 13,000 people in Iceland who volunteered to be tested for COVID-19 (the largest group included), as well as residents of Vo, Italy; passengers on the Diamond Princess cruise ship where an outbreak occurred; visitors to homeless shelters in Boston and Los Angeles; prison inmates; college students; and nursing home residents in King County, WA.

Five of these studies included follow up testing of the participants; they showed that only a small fraction of people who were asymptomatic when they tested positive the first time then went on to develop symptoms. That allowed the researchers to distinguish between people who are pre-symptomatic—those who test positive but eventually go on to develop symptoms—and those who are truly asymptomatic, and test positive for COVID-19 but never develop obvious symptoms. Among the more than 2300 people sampled in the Vo population, none of the 41% who had no symptoms when they tested positive ever developed symptoms over a 14 day period.

That wouldn’t be worrisome if it weren’t for other research beginning to show that levels of virus in people who are asymptomatic are similar to those among people who develop symptoms. That suggests that while they may not be outwardly showing any signs of illness, asymptomatic people are still carrying a potentially dangerous burden of infectious virus that they can spread to others.

Another concern, says Topol, is that the virus may be damaging the bodies of asymptomatic in other, silent ways. Among the 331 passengers on the Diamond Princess cruise ship who tested positive but did not have symptoms, 76 people had CT scans of their lungs and nearly half showed signs of lung tissue damage typical of coronavirus infection. “People who are getting infection without symptoms are actually doing a lot of damage to their bodies and they don’t know it,” says Topol. Another small study in South Korea that studied 10 asymptomatic people from a group of 139 COVID-19 patients supports these findings.

https://time.com/5848949/covid-19-asymptomatic-spread/
 
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Pulling a #'s and replying to myself! :)

More on today's news:

Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says

Key points:
Government responses should focus on detecting and isolating infected people with symptoms, the World Health Organization said.
Preliminary evidence from the earliest outbreaks indicated the virus could spread even if people didn’t have symptoms.
But the WHO says that while asymptomatic spread can occur, it is “very rare.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asy...-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html
Good post. Two problems. There is credible research that asymptomatic transmission occurs more than rarely and even if it's not nearly as prevalent as was thought, it's also not easy to differentiate aysmptomatic people from those with mild symptoms like coughing or sneezing. If this were like SARS, which only became easily transmissible once there were pneumonia-like serious symptoms it would have been far easier to control. I worry the WHO is again muddying the waters.
 
Can't say I buy that. Why the change in recommendations on everyone including healthy if asymptomatic spread is so rare. Another study says 30% and likely 40-45% of spread is from asymptomatic. Some of these gatherings like the choir in Washington and others no one reported any symptoms yet many in the gathering got infected. Some asymptomatic infections are having damage done to their lungs and don't even realize it.

Section from a Time article a few days ago:

In a study published June 3 in the Annals of Internal Medicine, researchers at the Scripps Research Translational Institute reviewed data from 16 different groups of COVID-19 patients from around the world to get a better idea of how many cases of coronavirus can likely be traced to people who spread the virus without ever knowing they were infected. Their conclusion: at minimum, 30%, and more likely 40% to 45%.

Topol and his co-author, Daniel Oran, searched for published and unpublished studies that included asymptomatic people and focused on 16 different groups of people screened or tested for COVID-19 around the world. Among others, these included a cohort of more than 13,000 people in Iceland who volunteered to be tested for COVID-19 (the largest group included), as well as residents of Vo, Italy; passengers on the Diamond Princess cruise ship where an outbreak occurred; visitors to homeless shelters in Boston and Los Angeles; prison inmates; college students; and nursing home residents in King County, WA.

Five of these studies included follow up testing of the participants; they showed that only a small fraction of people who were asymptomatic when they tested positive the first time then went on to develop symptoms. That allowed the researchers to distinguish between people who are pre-symptomatic—those who test positive but eventually go on to develop symptoms—and those who are truly asymptomatic, and test positive for COVID-19 but never develop obvious symptoms. Among the more than 2300 people sampled in the Vo population, none of the 41% who had no symptoms when they tested positive ever developed symptoms over a 14 day period.

That wouldn’t be worrisome if it weren’t for other research beginning to show that levels of virus in people who are asymptomatic are similar to those among people who develop symptoms. That suggests that while they may not be outwardly showing any signs of illness, asymptomatic people are still carrying a potentially dangerous burden of infectious virus that they can spread to others.

Another concern, says Topol, is that the virus may be damaging the bodies of asymptomatic in other, silent ways. Among the 331 passengers on the Diamond Princess cruise ship who tested positive but did not have symptoms, 76 people had CT scans of their lungs and nearly half showed signs of lung tissue damage typical of coronavirus infection. “People who are getting infection without symptoms are actually doing a lot of damage to their bodies and they don’t know it,” says Topol. Another small study in South Korea that studied 10 asymptomatic people from a group of 139 COVID-19 patients supports these findings.

https://time.com/5848949/covid-19-asymptomatic-spread/
Don't ask me, both the WHO and CDC seem to change their minds regularly. But they are the experts, right?
:)
 
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Don't ask me, both the WHO and CDC seem to change their minds regularly. But they are the experts, right?
:)
Well when dealing with an unknown and new disease I suppose it’s expected to some extent. I follow the guidance that I think is true in the moment and who knows I could change my mind too as more things are learned. Adapt and adjust as things change.
 
Pulling a #'s and replying to myself! :)

More on today's news:

Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says

Key points:
Government responses should focus on detecting and isolating infected people with symptoms, the World Health Organization said.
Preliminary evidence from the earliest outbreaks indicated the virus could spread even if people didn’t have symptoms.
But the WHO says that while asymptomatic spread can occur, it is “very rare.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asy...-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html
Fkr100 will be coming after you shortly
 
Well when dealing with an unknown and new disease I suppose it’s expected to some extent. I follow the guidance that I think is true in the moment and who knows I could change my mind too as more things are learned. Adapt and adjust as things change.
He’s just trolling, it’s what trolls do. Anyone with half a brain knows that as new scientific evidence comes out, recommendations will change. Not saying T2K has half a brain, but he’s certainly been told this dozens of times, and he has admitted to being a troll.
 
I was talking about antibody treatment, not testing. Would be sweet if your entire house got to test out an antibody treatment.
Sorry, misread that without my glasses on while reading from a small iPhone SE screen.
 
Pulling a #'s and replying to myself! :)

More on today's news:

Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says

Key points:
Government responses should focus on detecting and isolating infected people with symptoms, the World Health Organization said.
Preliminary evidence from the earliest outbreaks indicated the virus could spread even if people didn’t have symptoms.
But the WHO says that while asymptomatic spread can occur, it is “very rare.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asy...-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html
Wow, very interesting.
 
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AK - I know you wanted to set the record straight and you have, but you do realize you're playing right into their strategy to derail this thread, don't you? It's no coincidence that the CE folks are ganging up on you now.
Yeah all of the conservatives had a meeting last night to strategize the dismantling of this thread. Lol.
 
This is a very good article from The Atlantic that discusses the fight between public health policy and the protest movement.

"The risk of transmission is complicated by, and intertwined with, the urgent moral stakes: Systemic racism suffuses the United States. The mortality gap between black and white people persists. People born in zip codes mere miles from one another might have life-expectancy gaps of 10 or even 20 years. Two racial inequities meet in this week’s protests: one, a pandemic in which black people are dying at nearly twice their proportion of the population, according to racial data compiled by the COVID Tracking Project at The Atlantic; and two, antiblack police brutality, with its long American history and intensifying militarization. Floyd, 46, survived COVID-19 in April, but was killed under the knee of a police officer in May."

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/06/america-giving-up-on-pandemic/612796/
 
Never said "conservatives." I've never had an issue with conservatives - you know, people like GWB, McCain, Romney, Powell, Bill Kristol, Kasich, and most other previous Republican presidents, etc.
Lol ok well the ones on this board
 
The most helpful thing people can do to keep this thread on point is to take a few seconds before posting and ask yourself if what you are about to write is to make a political point or does it provide helpful and useful information as it is related to the virus?

Most of us want to know about potential treatments/cures and ways to protect ourselves and our families. Discussing the behavior of government officials and governmental policies is completely subjective and does nothing but send this thread in the wrong direction.
Yet when I asked #s to stick to medical information and check his frequent trump bashing at the door early in this thread you referred to me as a snowflake. Some might call that hypocrisy. And BTW, I applaud #s for his compliance since then.
 
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Lol ok well the ones on this board
The ones who troll threads like this and can never admit that Trump has done anything wrong are not "conservatives" IMO. I dislike Trump intensely and think he's been a spectacular failure as a POTUS, especially on COVID, but I've also given him credit for several things I thought he did well - that's a big difference.
 
Yet when I asked #s to stick to medical information and check his frequent trump bashing at the door early in this thread you referred to me as a snowflake. Some might call that hypocrisy. And BTW, I applaud #s for his compliance since then.
Thanks and I've tried, but it's getting tougher now with the CE board traffic coming to this thread (people on both sides of the Trump divide).
 
The ones who troll threads like this and can never admit that Trump has done anything wrong are not "conservatives" IMO. I dislike Trump intensely and think he's been a spectacular failure as a POTUS, especially on COVID, but I've also given him credit for several things I thought he did well - that's a big difference.
That's fair.. But I don't think anyone is intending to derail the thread. Mods wouldn't let it happen anyway.
 
Oh yeah ....they’re experts all right.
In the year 2020 during this covid19 Pandemic the term “ expert “ refers to a specific dissenting group. Those on the other side can not be considered expert or knowledgeable on scientific studies .
 
It’s absolutely amazing how little is known about this virus and how much misinformation there is on it. So much of what we have been told has been discounted.


this....thats why my MO is to question EVERYTHING they tell you...when you see innaccuracy or blatant hypocrisy like with Governor Murphy, ask questions and research what is going on. They want you to just fall in line, its our lives at stake and our livelyhoods
 
The ones who troll threads like this and can never admit that Trump has done anything wrong are not "conservatives" IMO. I dislike Trump intensely and think he's been a spectacular failure as a POTUS, especially on COVID, but I've also given him credit for several things I thought he did well - that's a big difference.


but we arent talking about Trump right now..the current focus is on Murphy not opening the state and his hypocrisy in saying protest good, living your life bad
 
Never said "conservatives." I've never had an issue with conservatives - you know, people like GWB, McCain, Romney, Powell, Bill Kristol, Kasich, and most other previous Republican presidents, etc.


lol you mean whipping boys and most losers, Republican rejected their weakness
 
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