Winning 20 games next year is a pipe dream. If by some miracle we make the NCAA's to only lose in the first round we are then back at ground zero again because of all the people we lose next year. Bottom line is she needs to go and if she stays we are just perpetuating this train wreck of a team further into the abyss of women's basketball!!
CVS Contract Extension?
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Just for the record, in the last NCAA appearance, RU won its first round game, and lost to UConn in the 2nd round.
It’s been 14 straight winning years between the last terrible year and this disastrous season, with 11 of them over 20 wins.
One was a 28 win season (2013-14) that didn't get RU to the Dance, but the team did win the conciliation prize (WNIT)
We also must realize that Rutgers wasn’t giving too much support to the RU WBB program and Vivian and her staff were doing the best they could without the support needed to have a top program.
Its a new era All of.Rutgers athletics was never given its fair share.Too many pyramids built with no reason by Rutgers presidents.CVS needs to go NOW
And one of them set the standards until Mulcahy made Football a priority.Those standards set by the WBB program haven't been lived up to like in the past, but this new era might include Vivian getting the program back on track and winning # 1000 while doing it.
Who knows, maybe Hobbs will look at this game as the final straw and decide no extension.
Or he'll feel the team had a lot to contend with this season and bring Vivian back because he trusts she'll have Rutgers dancing next year.
Either way: I'll accept his decision without complaint.
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Next year will be dramatically different. Help is on the way !
Meet the 'Rojos': 'Hypest bench in America' on mission to rebuild Rutgers women's basketball
nj.com/rutgersbasketball/index.ssf/2017/02/rutgers_rojos_hypest_bench_in_america_on_mission.html#incart_river_index
PISCATAWAY -- You can call them Scarlet Knights, but four Rutgers women's basketball players sitting out this season are seeing red.
Actually, make that rojo -- the Spanish word for red.
Tyler Scaife, Stasha Carey, Kathleen Fitzpatrick and Ciani Cryor -- all of whom already are college-tested talents -- call their clique the "Rojos" because they all are redshirting.
"We're the best bench in America," Scaife said. "We're the hypest bench in America."
Though the latter of those two assessments seems to be the case, it's more important for the program's future that the former is true.
The high-scoring Scaife -- redshirting as a senior because of an undisclosed medical condition -- will play next season alongside three transfers sitting out under NCAA rules: Carey (Pittsburgh) in the post, the sharp-shooting Fitzpatrick (St. Joseph's), and a true point guard in Cryor (Georgia Tech).
"We're all on the same page for obvious reasons," Fitzpatrick said. "We have a whole different perspective. It's a good separate bond that we have just because we can't play in the games. It just brings such a positive, energetic atmosphere to practice."
Stringer amazed by UConn's win streak
With Rutgers about to miss the NCAA Tournament for the fourth time in five years as the end of the losingest season in program history draws near, coach C. Vivian Stringer, 68, is putting all her eggs in one basket.
And hoping that her new-look team fills that basket with offense to avenge this season's 6-21 record heading into the final two games of the regular season: Thursday at Northwestern and Sunday home for Ohio State.
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"Very much excited about the future of the program," Stringer said. "The group that is not playing is a really talented group, and it hurts that we can't put it out there on the floor."
As much as it hurts the Rojos to watch losses pile up, it also provides an opportunity to take mental notes on payback.
Unlike the viral sensation 2015-16 Monmouth men's basketball "Bench Mob" made up of reserves who weren't destined for major minutes, Rutgers figures to have four starters emerge from its bench.
"Watch out," Carey said. "We're coming."
'Something to bring us together'
Because Stringer's seemingly constant in-flux contract status made it difficult to recruit high school stars -- Scaife was the last blue-chipper for a coach that used to sign a couple per class -- Rutgers sought a quick fix.
Out went two of the top 13 picks in the 2016 WNBA Draft. In came eight players for 2016-17, including former Top 100 recruits Carey and Cryor.
As expected, it took a while for the newcomers to gel, especially those facing a year-long wait.
"We needed something to kind of bring us all together," Carey said. "The other players were on the road and we were always together."
Credit for the nickname goes to Scaife.
"I think the coolest part is that we are always on the same team - the scout squad," Fitzpatrick said. "So every time we would do something good, Tyler would scream, 'Rojo!' I think it got us pumped. When we make a mistake, we want it back so bad. I think it's really going to help us for next year."
Eric LeGrand surprised by school's show of support
Scaife and Fitzpatrick faced off in college. So did Carey and Cryor in the ACC. Fitzpatrick and Cryor crossed paths on the Philadelphia basketball circuit, but never shared the same court.
Fringe connections have been replaced by a special Rojos handshake with crossed fingers, coordinated apparel -- like the "crazy sock" game coinciding with an upset of Michigan State -- and a two-claps cross-your-legs cheer.
Eating meals together, hanging in each other's dorm rooms and staying late after games to take extra shots is the norm.
"The four of us are very close," Cryor said, "and by us calling each other Rojos, we became even closer. I think that's a positive because by next year we are already going to have the chemistry."
The bond offers benefits this year, too. Especially mentally.
"It's really hard because we all come from programs where we were on the court a lot, and now we're not playing," Carey said. "That was the biggest adjustment: Watching everybody practice and being rewarded by playing in games. We practice -- and we sit."
Before and after
Before she knew she was going to miss the season, before she realized the transfers were not immediately eligible graduate students, Scaife put her recruiting skills to work in hopes of restoring the program's glory days.
The three-time all-conference selection was in the gym when Fitzpatrick and Carey passed through on visits. She followed them into the locker room.
"I was trying to get them because we need them here," Scaife said. "I was like, 'They're playing next year, right? No?' I actually got mad. Once I started weighing my options, it was a big reason why I decided to redshirt. I was like, 'This is God talking to me.'"
The anger over the possibility of bad timing was mutual a few times over.
Fitzpatrick drained 110 3-pointers over the last two seasons. Carey was the only player in the ACC's Top 15 in points, rebounds and steals last season. Cryor averaged 2.4 assists per game and made 12 starts as a true freshman.
The trio has one, two and three years of eligibility remaining, respectively, but the allure of playing for a Hall of Fame coach was nearly equaled by teaming with Scaife regardless of for how long. Scaife still has to resist the temptation of entering the 2017 WNBA Draft.
"I was mad, too," Fitzpatrick said, "but then it all worked out. At first, it was like, 'You're sure she's a senior? Not two more years?'"
Cryor didn't know who else was in the 2016 recruiting class until she showed up on move-in day. When she saw Fitzpatrick, a vague old memory surfaced.
"I saw Fitz and I'm like, 'Mom, she looks familiar. Yo, that's the girl!" Cryor said. "I forgot her name and what team she played for, but when she was shooting, she was shooting that thing from deep.'"
Rutgers authored one of the biggest turnarounds in the nation once before under Stringer, going from 9-20 in 2001-02 to 21-8 in 2002-03.
The main difference? All-American Cappie Pondexter came off a redshirt and joined a hardened supporting cast.
In addition to the infusion of talent and on-court leadership, Rutgers returns all eight players who have appeared in more than 10 games this season, starting with leading scorer Shrita Parker.
Careful not to be insensitive to their teammates, the Rojos pushed hard,
"Shrita said recently, 'Every time we go into the games, it almost feels easier because of you guys,'" Fitzpatrick said. "I thought about that and I was really happy. We all always talked about, 'What can we do?' Going really hard in practice will only benefit them."
'See you next year'
Whenever Rutgers is ousted from next week's Big Ten Tournament, the clock will start ticking on a new era. Maybe sooner.
"Once postseason starts," Fitzpatrick said, "then it's like our year starting. We say it after the game: 'We'll see you guys next year.'"
Cryor described the quartet as "animals." Why?
"We've got so much anger built up," Scaife said. "Every team that's beaten us, we're mad."
Meet the 'Rojos': 'Hypest bench in America' on mission to rebuild Rutgers women's basketball
nj.com/rutgersbasketball/index.ssf/2017/02/rutgers_rojos_hypest_bench_in_america_on_mission.html#incart_river_index
PISCATAWAY -- You can call them Scarlet Knights, but four Rutgers women's basketball players sitting out this season are seeing red.
Actually, make that rojo -- the Spanish word for red.
Tyler Scaife, Stasha Carey, Kathleen Fitzpatrick and Ciani Cryor -- all of whom already are college-tested talents -- call their clique the "Rojos" because they all are redshirting.
"We're the best bench in America," Scaife said. "We're the hypest bench in America."
Though the latter of those two assessments seems to be the case, it's more important for the program's future that the former is true.
The high-scoring Scaife -- redshirting as a senior because of an undisclosed medical condition -- will play next season alongside three transfers sitting out under NCAA rules: Carey (Pittsburgh) in the post, the sharp-shooting Fitzpatrick (St. Joseph's), and a true point guard in Cryor (Georgia Tech).
"We're all on the same page for obvious reasons," Fitzpatrick said. "We have a whole different perspective. It's a good separate bond that we have just because we can't play in the games. It just brings such a positive, energetic atmosphere to practice."
Stringer amazed by UConn's win streak
With Rutgers about to miss the NCAA Tournament for the fourth time in five years as the end of the losingest season in program history draws near, coach C. Vivian Stringer, 68, is putting all her eggs in one basket.
And hoping that her new-look team fills that basket with offense to avenge this season's 6-21 record heading into the final two games of the regular season: Thursday at Northwestern and Sunday home for Ohio State.
ADVERTISING
"Very much excited about the future of the program," Stringer said. "The group that is not playing is a really talented group, and it hurts that we can't put it out there on the floor."
As much as it hurts the Rojos to watch losses pile up, it also provides an opportunity to take mental notes on payback.
Unlike the viral sensation 2015-16 Monmouth men's basketball "Bench Mob" made up of reserves who weren't destined for major minutes, Rutgers figures to have four starters emerge from its bench.
"Watch out," Carey said. "We're coming."
'Something to bring us together'
Because Stringer's seemingly constant in-flux contract status made it difficult to recruit high school stars -- Scaife was the last blue-chipper for a coach that used to sign a couple per class -- Rutgers sought a quick fix.
Out went two of the top 13 picks in the 2016 WNBA Draft. In came eight players for 2016-17, including former Top 100 recruits Carey and Cryor.
As expected, it took a while for the newcomers to gel, especially those facing a year-long wait.
"We needed something to kind of bring us all together," Carey said. "The other players were on the road and we were always together."
Credit for the nickname goes to Scaife.
"I think the coolest part is that we are always on the same team - the scout squad," Fitzpatrick said. "So every time we would do something good, Tyler would scream, 'Rojo!' I think it got us pumped. When we make a mistake, we want it back so bad. I think it's really going to help us for next year."
Eric LeGrand surprised by school's show of support
Scaife and Fitzpatrick faced off in college. So did Carey and Cryor in the ACC. Fitzpatrick and Cryor crossed paths on the Philadelphia basketball circuit, but never shared the same court.
Fringe connections have been replaced by a special Rojos handshake with crossed fingers, coordinated apparel -- like the "crazy sock" game coinciding with an upset of Michigan State -- and a two-claps cross-your-legs cheer.
Eating meals together, hanging in each other's dorm rooms and staying late after games to take extra shots is the norm.
"The four of us are very close," Cryor said, "and by us calling each other Rojos, we became even closer. I think that's a positive because by next year we are already going to have the chemistry."
The bond offers benefits this year, too. Especially mentally.
"It's really hard because we all come from programs where we were on the court a lot, and now we're not playing," Carey said. "That was the biggest adjustment: Watching everybody practice and being rewarded by playing in games. We practice -- and we sit."
Before and after
Before she knew she was going to miss the season, before she realized the transfers were not immediately eligible graduate students, Scaife put her recruiting skills to work in hopes of restoring the program's glory days.
The three-time all-conference selection was in the gym when Fitzpatrick and Carey passed through on visits. She followed them into the locker room.
"I was trying to get them because we need them here," Scaife said. "I was like, 'They're playing next year, right? No?' I actually got mad. Once I started weighing my options, it was a big reason why I decided to redshirt. I was like, 'This is God talking to me.'"
The anger over the possibility of bad timing was mutual a few times over.
Fitzpatrick drained 110 3-pointers over the last two seasons. Carey was the only player in the ACC's Top 15 in points, rebounds and steals last season. Cryor averaged 2.4 assists per game and made 12 starts as a true freshman.
The trio has one, two and three years of eligibility remaining, respectively, but the allure of playing for a Hall of Fame coach was nearly equaled by teaming with Scaife regardless of for how long. Scaife still has to resist the temptation of entering the 2017 WNBA Draft.
"I was mad, too," Fitzpatrick said, "but then it all worked out. At first, it was like, 'You're sure she's a senior? Not two more years?'"
Cryor didn't know who else was in the 2016 recruiting class until she showed up on move-in day. When she saw Fitzpatrick, a vague old memory surfaced.
"I saw Fitz and I'm like, 'Mom, she looks familiar. Yo, that's the girl!" Cryor said. "I forgot her name and what team she played for, but when she was shooting, she was shooting that thing from deep.'"
Rutgers authored one of the biggest turnarounds in the nation once before under Stringer, going from 9-20 in 2001-02 to 21-8 in 2002-03.
The main difference? All-American Cappie Pondexter came off a redshirt and joined a hardened supporting cast.
In addition to the infusion of talent and on-court leadership, Rutgers returns all eight players who have appeared in more than 10 games this season, starting with leading scorer Shrita Parker.
Careful not to be insensitive to their teammates, the Rojos pushed hard,
"Shrita said recently, 'Every time we go into the games, it almost feels easier because of you guys,'" Fitzpatrick said. "I thought about that and I was really happy. We all always talked about, 'What can we do?' Going really hard in practice will only benefit them."
'See you next year'
Whenever Rutgers is ousted from next week's Big Ten Tournament, the clock will start ticking on a new era. Maybe sooner.
"Once postseason starts," Fitzpatrick said, "then it's like our year starting. We say it after the game: 'We'll see you guys next year.'"
Cryor described the quartet as "animals." Why?
"We've got so much anger built up," Scaife said. "Every team that's beaten us, we're mad."
I believe the only assistant coach that made a real impact on CVS's coaching decisions was Marianne Stanley due to her stature in WBB. She had a heck of a positive impact. Carlene was probably a distant 2nd. IMO her main positive impact was on recruiting.
SORRY BAC, I now realize I basically just wrote your post again. I should read the whole post first.
All the other coaches besides Stanley and maybe Carlene a little bit, bought CVS's coaching ways totally and were nothing but yes women/men. Jolette gave us a preview of the present CVS. Jolette, was the supposed protégé of CVS. She implemented CVS's coaching philosophy. The problem was (as is now) is that she didn't have the super recruiting classes, that masked CVS's weak offensive and game time coaching skills.
Facts aren't that important to some posters here.
In your opinion. You always state things as if they were facts. You have no way of knowing that they were just yes men or if they actually provided their own points of view unless you were at all their practices. Even if your suppositions were true, having a staff you trust and have complete confidence in is invaluable, especially if you need to focus a lot of your attention somewhere else. As someone who has managed companies at the highest level, I can state that as a fact.
CVS is a HOF HC and some of her assistants learned enough from her to deserve a shot at being HC themselves.
Most might not have succeeded building the programs they were hired to lead into powerhouses, many new HC hires in every sport don't find success .
This Rutger fan doesn't begrudge the coaching ability of those who left to become a HC at another program in order to put the present RU HC and everyone associated with her down.
I just hope they find success no matter where they're at, as long as t doesn't hurt Rutgers.
Most might not have succeeded building the programs they were hired to lead into powerhouses, many new HC hires in every sport don't find success .
This Rutger fan doesn't begrudge the coaching ability of those who left to become a HC at another program in order to put the present RU HC and everyone associated with her down.
I just hope they find success no matter where they're at, as long as t doesn't hurt Rutgers.
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You responded to my post. The meat of your post in response to mine was that coaches Pointer, Newton and Jackson added no value because they were yes men / women. I just pointed out that you don't know that for certain. You do tend to post your opinions as if they are indisputable facts. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but what you were discussing was just your point of view, and some of us don't share it. I always try to post what is only my opinion by stating IMO, so maybe I am just sensitive to people who don't. You certainly aren't the only one who does that.
add in the one who was head coach at Syracuse as well (her name is slipping my tongue)
I'll give you this. You're nothing if not consistently annoying.
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add in the one who was head coach at Syracuse as well (her name is slipping my tongue)
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yea Freeman , CVS’ assistant at Iowa didn’t light it up as the Orange WBB HC, even though she took over a program that looked spectacular the three years prior to her being hired as the Syracuse WBB HC.
With records of 7-21 , 9-19 & 6-21 just before she was hired we can rest assured Marianna had an easy path to winning.[winking]
But she didn’t win there and resigned 10 years after being named HC by Syracuse
Glad to see some posters be able find new material so they can put down everyone and everything connected with C.Vivian Stringer.
Including coaches without a connection to RU WBB except that they were with Vivian at Iowa and got a shot at being a HC because they were an assistant at a successful program CVS was the HC at.
By the way, Marianna’s replacement didn’t last long there but the current Orange HC is doing well :okay:
add in the one who was head coach at Syracuse as well (her name is slipping my tongue)
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yea Freeman , CVS’ assistant at Iowa didn’t light it up as the Orange WBB HC, even though she took over a program that looked spectacular the three years prior to her being hired as the Syracuse WBB HC.
With records of 7-21 , 9-19 & 6-21 just before she was hired we can rest assured Marianna had an easy path to winning.[winking]
But she didn’t win there and resigned 10 years after being named HC by Syracuse
Glad to see some posters be able find new material so they can put down everyone and everything connected with C.Vivian Stringer.
Including coaches without a connection to RU WBB except that they were with Vivian at Iowa and got a shot at being a HC because they were an assistant at a successful program CVS was the HC at.
By the way, Marianna’s replacement didn’t last long there but the current Orange HC is doing well :okay:
We all love RU. . But I am darn tired of some posters that believe CVS should stay, constantly throwing digs in and many times being down right nasty.
Again we all love RU and only want the best for the program. Why can't we respect each other's opposing beliefs about CVS and stick to the issues being discussed in the posts.
and that Cuse coach was pretty much panned by the board here...of course when there was a board besides a few people....yet he was eating CVS lunch toward the end and he has kept Cuse strong even in a better overall conference
The most overpaid employee of the State of New Jersey (although EJ may still be on the books). I wonder what her state pension will be. Time to move on. $$$$
I don't object to the desire to replace Vivian (even if I don't agree) - but I am so tired of making up facts as you go along.
For the record, against "Q" - Rutgers won 2 in a row, lost 3 in a row, and won the last 3 games played, for a record of 5-3 against Syracuse under "Q". Yes, you are correct, he has had great success, although true consistency has eluded him. Three superb seasons in 10, all but the first were good, winning at just less than 66%.
CVS is no longer a winner.Her teams cannot score,her teams cannot win>Hobbs needs to remove her NOW
That's why other teams are scoring only 61 ppg. We take so much time off the clock so they have less time to score with each possession.
you also have to look at Cuse vs Rutgers in terms of attractiveness as a womens program. RU under Grentz while not top tier was considered a top 25 type program that had great fan support and attendance...when CVS took over she was taking over a program that had success. Syracuse was almost always bad and getting recruits to play in cavernous Carrie Dome was an extremely difficult situation. He took a moribund program over and has had great success even getting to a Final 4. Many fans took potshots at him yet he held an advantage over CVS head to head and now has positioned their program where it has surpassed RU clearer, its not even close. RU's fanbase has been decimated, similar to what Fred Hill did to the mens program
I took my kids to their first RU sporting event today, using my free football renewal tickets to go senior day. I have not followed the women's team at all for the last few years due to what I would hear of their erratic play and my own crazy family life.
What I saw today was astonishing. The first half of that game - no energy, no passion, no shooting....absolutely nothing that I could say was positive. The guards couldn't break the press, nobody can score, nobody can put up a shot before the clock gets less than 1 second left. Heck, they couldn't even inbound the ball, unless you count throwing it the other team a heady play.
if I was a coach, I would have lost my freakin' mind. Was there any passion on that bench? If I was a recruit and had a shit ton of options, my first worry wouldn't be who was going to be the coach but why can't this coach get more out of her own players and not have them look like some JV high school team?
Please tell me that the transfers coming in are some brilliant cure all for next season, because if they aren't everyone knows damn well what needs to be done re: the head coach at the end of the season.
What I saw today was astonishing. The first half of that game - no energy, no passion, no shooting....absolutely nothing that I could say was positive. The guards couldn't break the press, nobody can score, nobody can put up a shot before the clock gets less than 1 second left. Heck, they couldn't even inbound the ball, unless you count throwing it the other team a heady play.
if I was a coach, I would have lost my freakin' mind. Was there any passion on that bench? If I was a recruit and had a shit ton of options, my first worry wouldn't be who was going to be the coach but why can't this coach get more out of her own players and not have them look like some JV high school team?
Please tell me that the transfers coming in are some brilliant cure all for next season, because if they aren't everyone knows damn well what needs to be done re: the head coach at the end of the season.
Funny, but if there's no reason to bring it up, then why do you bring it up - repeatedly?
"Emotionally bias "? I don't know exactly what you meant by that. My comments about retaining CVS typically question whether RU can/will pay enough for a top-notch replacement when she leaves.
I'm sorry but I missed the post where someone called you "ABSURB". Where was that? (my husband was in the hospital and I'm way behind reading these boards. )
Asst coaches know her system because they played for her at Iowa?
How many years ago was that? I sure hope her system has changed in the two decades since she was at Iowa. But maybe that is the problem...
An Illinois freshman scored six three pointers today.
Three freshmen combined for 65 points in their win over Nebraska.
Does Rutgers have any freshmen who can score?
13 points in a half today vs. Wisconsin with only 2 field goals.
More fouls than points. Who recruited these players?
How many years ago was that? I sure hope her system has changed in the two decades since she was at Iowa. But maybe that is the problem...
An Illinois freshman scored six three pointers today.
Three freshmen combined for 65 points in their win over Nebraska.
Does Rutgers have any freshmen who can score?
13 points in a half today vs. Wisconsin with only 2 field goals.
More fouls than points. Who recruited these players?
DMD I truly hope your husband and family are all doing well. Our lives and loved ones are so more important than talking about a game of basketball. No matter what, if I knew you were dealing with those important issues of life, I would never had brought you into any post.
I really hope your husband is ok. Nothing else matters. I wish you and your family peace.
Thank you, Rizwran, I really appreciate that. He's been through a lot (health-wise) during the last 2 years and thus my free time is limited. RU wbball had been a pleasant diversion for me, but obviously it's not right now (for any of us, I'm afraid). :-(
Not trying to be funny, but 2 years ago, I was at RW Johnson hosp so much visiting loved ones, that people probably thought I worked there.
NJ.com has a detailed comprehensive overview of RU coaches' contracts and salaries, along with a ranking for each within the B1G.
It includes clarification of CVS's contract last year buyout: at 35%=$245,000.
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i..._how_much_rutgers_coaches_earn_and_where.html
It includes clarification of CVS's contract last year buyout: at 35%=$245,000.
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i..._how_much_rutgers_coaches_earn_and_where.html
If CVS comes back it won't be because the buyout is too expensive , but because Hobbs feels she still has gas in the tank.
But that low buyout number could make it easier ( financially) for Hobbs to go in a different direction next season by replacing Stringer now.
Hopefully we'll all get word soon on what Hobbs plans to do.
I'll accept his decision , either way, without complaint.
But that low buyout number could make it easier ( financially) for Hobbs to go in a different direction next season by replacing Stringer now.
Hopefully we'll all get word soon on what Hobbs plans to do.
I'll accept his decision , either way, without complaint.
