We had the chance to hire Dino Babers and didn't. Because Hobbs was astounded by Ash--the best interview he ever had in his life. Just like Fred Gruninger--who was like a little kid in a candy store when Bill Walsh called him and recommended Terry Shea. Babers was a HEAD coach--not an assistant. He was not only a HEAD coach but considered one of the brighest young minds in college football by the experts. He was ours--if we wanted him. All he has done is beat Va Tech by 2 touchdowns in his first year....something we could not dream about here this year. Another mistake by a RU athletic director.
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You probably be finding reasons why Ash would have been a better choice if you were orange old timer after Syracuse lost to Louie 62-28, lost to USF 45 -20 and seen Wake Forrest win 28-7, also losing to a down year ND team 50-33 .
Beating VT is nice for Dino, but in the long run Rutgers might have made the right choice and Ash will do better in the future than he's doing his first year as a HC .
The Ash and Babers hires can't be judged yet, both need time before praised as a savior or considered a loser.
Beating VT is nice for Dino, but in the long run Rutgers might have made the right choice and Ash will do better in the future than he's doing his first year as a HC .
The Ash and Babers hires can't be judged yet, both need time before praised as a savior or considered a loser.
You are indeed correct on his age. What I should have said...was that all of the ESPN type experts had him in the short list of brilliant HEAD coaches ready to make a splash at the major conference level. And--his team DID play defense yesterday! Watched the game...Va Tech was confused on offense. Holding Va Tech to 17 points is playing defense. The bottom line is that there is no way that an Ash-coached team this year could beat Va Tech by 14 points. Or probably next year for that matter.
Correct MADHAT...but if you compare the MD, Cuse, and RU hires thus far...and we are only one half year into things...we are in the caboose. That's all I'm saying at this point--although I wanted Babers as my first choice all along--because we have not had offense here since the Teel era.
The future is what we're talking about and I doubt an experienced Barbers would make RU much better than the inexperienced Ash is doing.
But think in the short term Dino would look better than Chris at RU, but it's the long run RU must look at and the experience Ash gains as a HC might prove him to be better once the roster is filled with players suited for the O he wants run and his OC has gained the experience needed to win in the B1G with his on the job training this season.
'Cuse is 3-4, got hammered by Wake, and likely loses to Clemson, FSU, NC State, and either Pitt or BC, the rest of the way. Yesterday was what is known as an "upset" and not really much of one at that.
Get off his jock guys. He really hasn't done much at all and his recruiting is going to be Flood-esque (current class 47th).
Get off his jock guys. He really hasn't done much at all and his recruiting is going to be Flood-esque (current class 47th).
We also are way behind those 2 teams in the talent department. That's your answer. Not the coaches
Oh, look, it's the flavor of the week thread when some coach who was a head coach before being hired to a P5 team posts one win against a ranked team.
I'll take the guy who had solid years of P5 experience at Ohio State under Urban Meyer and Wisconsin and an SEC team under Bret Bilema.
I'll take the guy who had solid years of P5 experience at Ohio State under Urban Meyer and Wisconsin and an SEC team under Bret Bilema.
So short sighted...probably thought Flood was great coach after his first 7 games
One thing i've learned from reading these boards the last 10yrs is that there is always something that some idiot on this board is unhappy about.
Always thinking the grass is always greener...
Always thinking the grass is always greener...
I agree, cant be judge yet, both teams are rebuilding this year. Only bad loss was Wake IMO. Should have beat them even though they are 5-2 and played FSU tough. SU defense has been terrible. Defensive scheme is not matched for current players, they dont understand the scheme yet, but they are playing better as of late. Wake forest didnt really score a lot. Cuse led most of the game. Wake got their points off turnovers. That game, we had to run the ball because of the storm but couldn't do it consistently. We lost 3 starting lineman for the season. Been playing 2 freshman's and 2 sophomore's upfront all year. We are extremely young. The whole defense comes back next year. Offensive is one of the best in the country. Just wait when Dino improves the run game and get more of his players in.
Was Babers bringing Eric Dungey to RU with him? Kid is better than any QB we have on our roster and was recruited for the spread offense. I tip my cap to Babers and Cuse. That was a nice win yesterday.
Dino has a great system and its not even close to how good it will be. We have players recruited for a option offense and they are excelling in his scheme. Since Rutgers have better recruits (supposively), I would think Babers would have Rutgers playing better offense and would have beat Illinois, Iowa and would beat Minny, Maryland, Indiana with the players on Rutgers current roster. Grant would have been a stud in his scheme.
Yes, it is too early to make clear conclusions. But--I will bring up Babers at the end of year 1, 2 etc because he was my first choice of available candidates at the time because 1. He was a successful HEAD coach. And 2. We have not had an offense here since the days of the International Bowl for RU! And to not have an offense since Mike Teel is to look back at ancient RU history to find players like Rice, Leonard, etc who could win games with a potent offense.
Dungey is a talented kid but he still has a ways to go with his decision making and arm strength. He's missed a lot of reads and some throws while learning this system.
We don't have better players and sadly Grant only played 3 games before being lost for the season.
you guys mock SU recruiting classes all the time so I assume you have better players.
Not under Flood. And SU has players recruited for their offensive system already in the program. Again, nice win but you don't have to be a dbag about it.
Doesn't really matter who is ahead coming out of turn 1, now does it. People on here need some perspective in the worst way. In the long run, I will take our staff over Syracuse's. We will see who is right.
They were duped. Barbers is a gimmick. That system is a complete gimmick. They will never win anything of importance. That system will go up and down the field all game and they still lose by 25. - Caliknight, Sep 17, 2016
Very easy for me to tell Ash is doing a much better job than Babers thus far. mikemarc1,Sep 17, 2016
It's not their fault. They didn't know
Very easy for me to tell Ash is doing a much better job than Babers thus far. mikemarc1,Sep 17, 2016
It's not their fault. They didn't know
Our recruiting was MAC-level under Flood. This is no secret (well, to MOST of us, anyway....).
Rutgers 2012 class ranked #25, 2013 - #44, 2014- #58, 2015 -#54. Cuse 2012 class ranked #70, 2013 - #66, 2014 - #53, 2015 - #61. According to this rutgers have better players.
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First of all, we've had a ton of attrition under Flood so a lot of those kids left the program already. And if Babers came to RU, maybe the offense is a little better but not by much. We just don't have any QBs as good as Dungey nor any WRs as good as that kid with the weird name. And our D wouldn't be holding Iowa to 14 points and Illinois to 17 points. We'd likely still be 2-5 right now. Maybe 3-4 but our D would be a nightmare.
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How can you say you are happy with our coach! You must either like losing or must be a Rutgers hater to say you are happy with him. I would think that 99 per cent of Rutgers fans are displeased with him THUS FAR. That doesn't mean they want him fired. But no Rutgers fan can be "happy" with Chris Ash--through the present time. Even the coach is honest enough to say he is not pleased with himself!
I'd say 95% of RU fans are displeased with the way RU is playing but giving Ash and his staff a mulligan because of how bad the team became with KF as the RU HC.
5% are glad to have something to bitch about and could care less whose the coach.
No ones happy with the results but not being unhappy with Ash doesn't mean someone doesn't mine losing, just that they expected it with the roster Flood left and the changes
being implemented by Ash this year.
What Ash will be judged on this season is not going to be the way RU plays on the field, but the recruits he brings in.
So far it looks like he's satisfying most RU fans because Rivals has RU ranked #22
from what I see:
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/
This thread is so stupid. Here we are congratulating SU for a nice win and their fans per usual have to be JO's about. Ok...Dino Babers is the new Bill Walsh. Happy? Now leave.
Wanted no part of him and his stupid tie. Even PSU fans would never want him as HC and he played there.
I liked Dino when we were searching for a new head coach. But let's not suddenly anoint him shall we? I like his offensive system a lot, but he did come into a situation where Syracuse was already running something similar and the players recruited by the former coach fit Babers philosophies. Ash literally is starting from scratch and he and his staff will continue to have growing pains until they get their kind of players into the system. It's just like when Tom Herman went to Houston. Yes, I love Herman and he is a great offensive mind, but Houston was already running a similar type offense before he got there and when he arrived he was coaching a lot of seasoned players who had been through a similar system.
I think we judge Ash and company by year three. I realize that requires patience and we as Rutgers fans have been way too patient for decades, but we'll know by year three if Ash is the real deal or never was.
We can't assess his recruiting until signing day. Recruiting is much easier when you have either no record or just a few games on your resume. Recruiting status can (not will, but can) be very different at 2-10 or 3-9 vs mid October. The jury is out on recruiting until the day of judgment.
Cuse lost just as much. We had kids end their careers to injuries and many transferred. We are very young because of that. BTW, check Etta Tawo's career records at Maryland. Babers system is the number 1 reason for his success. He had 50 receptions in 4 years. Maryland didnt want him. Their fans said he couldn't catch. Look at him now. I disagree, Dino would have got wins from those two games.
Why? When he didn't beat USF, Wake Forest or a bad Notre Dame team. And I realize WF is somewhat improved but his O scored 9 points. Again, we don't have a QB like Dungey and Dino is suspect on the defensive side of the ball.
Golden is a fraud.
There's a reason he was fired by Miami and only landed as a TE coach with the Lions.
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