theres only two things I will be watching this year. first,can ash recruit as well as narduzzi at pitt and Hermann at Houston. second, can he win. nothing else means anything. awards. slogans, weve had.. the rubber meets the road come sept.
enough kool aid already.....
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Of course the rubber will meet the road...but what do you propose we talk about until then? Just keep it strictly OT?
If our first play from the LOS is not a touchdown or at least a first down, some will be screaming he is a failure.
If our first play on defense is anything less than a tackle for a loss or a turnover, some will be screaming he is a failure.
If we do not land 5 out of the top 10 NJ players, some will be screaming he is a failure.
I actually think you are being pretty fair here kool aid comment aside. Asking Ash to recruit like Pitt and Houston is a fair barometer. Hermann has a head start but we have the BIG conference backing us up.
Can Ash win? I think he can but we are all eager to find out.
Correct! Letterman will not be reading your posts unless it is about recruiting or winning so just save your fingers and stop with all this typing!!! (unless it is not related to Rutgers football. He will read your OT posts.)
OP, agree with what you plan to look at...but the benchmarks are kinda unrealistic. There's no way Ash can recruit like Narduzzi and no way he can win like Hermann in the same timeframe. It's just going to take a lot longer, if he can do it at all. He should be able to start recruiting in about after a year or two and start winning after about 3-4 years.
I think expecations should be SOMEWHAT low this year.
1. New Offense being put in,without a real spread type QB
2. New Linebackers.
3.Limited depth and or talent at DB..
4.Last two class levels of recruits were not B10 level thatnks to Elmer Flood.
1. New Offense being put in,without a real spread type QB
2. New Linebackers.
3.Limited depth and or talent at DB..
4.Last two class levels of recruits were not B10 level thatnks to Elmer Flood.
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ok...so where do we set the bar for recruiting...Maryland perhaps? honestly, if we cant do as well as pitt.i'll be disappointed. what do they have that we don't. are we saying that narduzzi is the real deal and a lot of schools missed the boat by not getting him on board. as far as realistic wins, I really think that this team should be able to get to 7 wins,
Completely unrealistic. If that's what you go into this season, expecting, then you're VERY likely to be disappointed. Our schedule is as tough as it's ever been, we return 0 starters at LB, lost our only really good OL, lost our only true playmaker on O, and are still very young, and thin, in the secondary (especially at CB). 7 wins would be nothing short of amazing IMHO.
We went through this in a thread last week, so I'm not going to do it again, but here's the link to the thread where a few of us broke down the season (as of today);
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/ryan-dunleavy-on-todays-scrimmage.85257/page-2
Disagree. I watched Miller play pretty closely last year, often at the expense of missing the play downfield. While I can't know if he did the wrong things schematically (nobody can without knowing the schemes), I could see that he tended to win the majority of his one on one battles. And he was used in some interesting ways, in terms of pulling.
I think Miller played at a very high level last season and will do so again this season. I felt he was our best, most consistent, O lineman last season.
I do agree that 7 wins is a ridiculous expectation.
I'd throw him a parade if he gets us to 6 wins and a bowl.
Glad to see the ex RU AD land on her feet.
Will any one in Houston realize the Herman named Tom was replaced by the Hermann named Julie
:okay:[roll]
Seems to me, the only meaningful programs would be those we have to compete against. So use all the programs in the Big Ten East. When we can recruit like the majority of those teams, we'll start having a shot at winning a conference championship.
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lost our only really good OL
I personally think: RU's OL might be better than we think they are , with the right OL Coach.
Mitch Browning was supposed to be a good one when he was hired, so it might not be the OL coach's fault.
Hopefully Blazek proves he can get the most out of the OL
Then Miller along with the other returning OL members, with the talent they have , will prove to be a major asset and succeed as a unit,
lost our only really good OL
Lets see if it was the players that caused the OL not to be considered good, or the way they were coached that cause some to question their talent.
I personally think: RU's OL might be better than we think they are , with the right OL Coach.
Mitch Browning was supposed to be a good one when he was hired, so it might not be the OL coach's fault.
Hopefully Blazek proves he can get the most out of the OL
Then Miller along with the other returning OL members, with the talent they have , will prove to be a major asset and succeed as a unit,
You want to beat the best, start comparing yourself to the best and don't ask to be graded on a curve.
Cut the guy break with the W's this year. I will say he should be able to profoundly improve recruiting from last year. Next year in 2017 he should improve on Wins. We can't afford to give anyone 4 or 5 years to turn the program around. If we're not a 9 win team in 2018, in my opinion (which doesn't mean anything) he is no different than Flood.
I understand where you are going with that but with OL, the year to year improvement is significant regardless of coaching. Meaning, it is very likely you could see guys like Miller, Nelson, Muller, Denman much improved over last year...but that should have been expected anyway.nit saying Briwning was good or if Blaze is great, it is just a tough position to judge in that manner.
Recruit as well as Narduzzi & Herman in their 1st year at Pitt & Hou, respectively? In 2015, Narduzzi's 1st recruiting class was 65th w/2.8 avg * & Herman's was 89th w/2.31 avg *. I'm fairly certain Ash can do that this year. In their 2nd yr, they landed the 30th & 44th ranked classes.
I know you don't want to rehash this thread but basically you have us at 1-7 with 4 tossups remaining. Say best case scenario(because at 1-7 we're pretty bad) we split the tossups, 3-9 OUCH!! :cry:If this prediction holds true I'll be quite disappointed. If this is the case then our talent level is sorely lacking and we are in serious trouble. Hell we're probably not looking at a .500 club for several years. I don't think Ash survives that long without producing a winner, which would be a shame. I seriously hope your wrong and coaching had more to do with our losses then talent.
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I think we can set the bar with Maryland, Pitt and Houston. No reason why Ash cannot recruit with these guys.
I agree that 7 wins is possible. I'm not the type to lynch our coaches when we lose (ahem) but I do expect the team to go out and compete every year. Last year sucked but we won 8 games 2 years ago. So while I am not EXPECTING to win 7-8 games I am in no way going to predict a losing season. I just can't think that way. I know Ash isn't thinking that way nor are the players and assistants.I'm glad they are the people who make it happen and not the self loathing fan base.
Even if we only win 3 or 4 games this season, it does not necessarily mean our players lack the talent to compete altogether.
I'm not saying this is what happened, but it's at least possible that the position coaching our current players are playing with was not comparable to the position coaching many of our opponent's players have been receiving. So we may have more than one off-season's worth of catching up to do.
Also, we have coaches that are either in their very first year or very early in the careers in some key positions (head coach, both coordinators). It's a young coaching staff. And that young staff is working to effect a culture change while simultaneously installing an entirely new offense, and lots of new defensive things. I think getting all that done, plus recruiting from a tough position, and we may very well need a year or two to get the ball really rolling.
This is a little depressing, and I hope we come out and surprise everybody by going to a bowl this season. But I think it's not an unreasonable thing and I'm prepared to be patient for a couple years. I will pass the time by trying to effect a culture-change in our tailgate group by getting everybody in our general vicinity totally into hookers and blow.
While next season will be tough with a lot of changes, I am afraid we will regress in 2017 since a lot of our line personnel graduates after 2016.
I am hoping the team over achieves next year and surprises us!
I am hoping the team over achieves next year and surprises us!
I think we go 4-8...5-7 tops...way too many ???'s, lack of quality depth in almost all units, tough schedule. I believe in Ash 150% of the way but there is A LOT of work to be done. Just listen to his comments thus far and look at how FEW players have been "knighted" thus far.
Ability of Ash and staff to recruit is what I am most interested in seeing. I think he will be fine with x and os and player development but you still need high caliber talent.
Here's the thing regarding the idea that people are rushing to judgement.
HC Ash is making his own bed with every move he makes. Schiano did as well.. how many fans did Schiano lose the support of by firing the broadcast team and micromanaging everything? People decided to dislike GS and then everything he did was looked at through that filter.
Look at it in terms of Donald Trump. He is busy complaining about this and that and not be treated fairly... but he has to ask himself why he has all this firm opposition and why more people oppose him than support him. He did it to himself with the things he said and did.
HC Ash is doing the same thing. I don't think he has done anything all that bad and has not lost many fans. I think there are a few haters on this board who pretend they are Rutgers fans and they are "vocal".
All HC ASh must do is develop student athletes.. both parts, student and athlete. And then show he is a good coach in wins and losses and in recruiting. To that end he should do whatever he thinks necessary and the only "image" thing he should care about is how his actions affect recruiting. If he does something that offends local HS coaches and players, it will cost him. It is a shame that true local support for the flagship state U runs from fickle to non-existent, but that is where we are.
HC Ash is making his own bed with every move he makes. Schiano did as well.. how many fans did Schiano lose the support of by firing the broadcast team and micromanaging everything? People decided to dislike GS and then everything he did was looked at through that filter.
Look at it in terms of Donald Trump. He is busy complaining about this and that and not be treated fairly... but he has to ask himself why he has all this firm opposition and why more people oppose him than support him. He did it to himself with the things he said and did.
HC Ash is doing the same thing. I don't think he has done anything all that bad and has not lost many fans. I think there are a few haters on this board who pretend they are Rutgers fans and they are "vocal".
All HC ASh must do is develop student athletes.. both parts, student and athlete. And then show he is a good coach in wins and losses and in recruiting. To that end he should do whatever he thinks necessary and the only "image" thing he should care about is how his actions affect recruiting. If he does something that offends local HS coaches and players, it will cost him. It is a shame that true local support for the flagship state U runs from fickle to non-existent, but that is where we are.
Agree that the jury is still out. The verdict will be in after seeing the results in both recruiting and the play on the field.
Things got so screwy last year with all the shenanigans off the field and issues on the field that probably set us back several notches. No doubt, Coach Ash will need to get better talent but, as important as wins are, I hope to see a better team attitude where we gain respect based on the quality and consistency of play.
jury is still out??? heck he didn't even go on trial yet--let some games be played
Ash could have us win 3 or 4 games and still have a better season than we've seen recently.
What would you rather have: 6 wins, a bowl game, and 3 blow out losses
or 4 wins, no bowl, but every game is competitive in the 4th quarter?
To me, the latter is better for building the future. Every blow out loss to an conference foe hurts us in recruiting imo. Likewise, if we come close but lose to an Ohio State, its an eye opener.
Sometimes, I think, you need to look at the long game. Sure you want to go bowling. But you also want to get to the level in which you're able to compete with all of the teams you have to face each year.
What would you rather have: 6 wins, a bowl game, and 3 blow out losses
or 4 wins, no bowl, but every game is competitive in the 4th quarter?
To me, the latter is better for building the future. Every blow out loss to an conference foe hurts us in recruiting imo. Likewise, if we come close but lose to an Ohio State, its an eye opener.
Sometimes, I think, you need to look at the long game. Sure you want to go bowling. But you also want to get to the level in which you're able to compete with all of the teams you have to face each year.
Sorry, but in this conference and with our schedule 6 wins and a bowl game makes Ash look like a miracle worker. The blowouts are to be expected recruits have seen them before. But in his 1st year with 6 wins this would show recruits progress, not just talk. This gives Ash a tangible base of on the field results which he can sell to recruits. Get the recruits then we can worry about the blowouts.
Something the last regime didn't leave us with is quality depth. In this league it's a war of attrition by the end of the year. Plus most people just remember your record at years end. Not how you won or lost, just how many checks you have in the win column is what sticks in people's head.
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To me it really an interesting decision...Still too many players that will be exposed in a spread system as opposed to a pro set. I will say if we are 100% option spread we will get between 2 and 4 wins. If we ease the system in between 5-7. But instill the system now and we are ahead of the game in the years after that. Do we buy wins this year or save them for the future?
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