Eric Foster Comments: He GETS it!!

[AreYouNUTS]

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Yes, this needed its own thread IMHO, please read "that's WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TALENT TO COMPETE PROBLEM" in case you guys miss it:

 

[RU4]

He's 100% correct. We have no players, none.

 

[ru1869]

I am not thrilled with Ash.

IF he knew that the talent was not there to run his offensive and defensive schemes, then he should have run last year's schemes until he could recruit the talent necessary to run his schemes.

This is the worst of all things. Very little talent or depth, new schemes on both sides of the ball, and not the right skill sets to run the schemes that you want to run.

Talk about a perfect storm to make things as bad as they could possibly be??!!

 

[Scarlet4ever]

I am not thrilled with Ash.

IF he knew that the talent was not there to run his offensive and defensive schemes, then he should have run last year's schemes until he could recruit the talent necessary to run his schemes.

This is the worst of all things. Very little talent or depth, new schemes on both sides of the ball, and not the right skill sets to run the schemes that you want to run.

Talk about a perfect storm to make things as bad as they could possibly be??!!

We wouldn't be able to run last years schemes either.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

We wouldn't be able to run last years schemes either.

People seriously underestimate how badly losing LC and Lumpkin hurt this O.

 

[BoogieKnight]

I am not thrilled with Ash.

IF he knew that the talent was not there to run his offensive and defensive schemes, then he should have run last year's schemes until he could recruit the talent necessary to run his schemes.

This is the worst of all things. Very little talent or depth, new schemes on both sides of the ball, and not the right skill sets to run the schemes that you want to run.

Talk about a perfect storm to make things as bad as they could possibly be??!!

For this year, yes it sucks badly. But it's not about this year...it never was. Sucks for fans and alumni to hear that because we are the ones showing up to the games in rain and cold but it's the truth. This is a 4-5 year rebuild with the fruits not likely being visible on the field until 2018.

 

[RUfubar]

BINGO

 

[ru75]

Yes, this needed its own thread IMHO, please read "that's WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TALENT TO COMPETE PROBLEM" in case you guys miss it:

Nuts, it will take us winning against teams on par with us for some fans to give Ash & Co. a fair chance to prove themselves.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Nuts, it will take us winning against teams on par with us for some fans to give Ash & Co. a fair chance to prove themselves.

I think, for now, many just want to see competitiveness with those teams.

 

[brgRC90]

I can see both sides but ultimately I don't see the point of continuing last year's schemes for another year. Why? So we can win 4 games instead of 3? So we can lose 70-13 instead of 76-0? All you're doing is delaying the rebuilding process that way in return for another bad year. Will 4 wins instead of 3 bring in better recruits? Doubtful. I think it's better to just take your medicine and get it over with.

 

[ru75]

I think, for now, many just want to see competitiveness with those teams.

They want competitiveness with UM, OSU, and UW and for us to beat I/I/M

 

[TonyVolt]

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Am I the only one that has no idea what he is talking about? It's not about talent, but we need more talent? Kids can't write today.

 

[sct1111]

Am I the only one that has no idea what he is talking about? It's not about talent, but we need more talent? Kids can't write today.

You probably are the only one. He says it IS about talent. Did you even read it? Eric Foster is also a grown man.

 

[retired711]

I think it's correct for Ash to run his preferred scheme. It shows recruits the direction in which he wants to move. He's more credible if he can say, "You can see the scheme I like to run, and you can help us run it."

 

[koleszar]

I am not thrilled with Ash.

IF he knew that the talent was not there to run his offensive and defensive schemes, then he should have run last year's schemes until he could recruit the talent necessary to run his schemes.

This is the worst of all things. Very little talent or depth, new schemes on both sides of the ball, and not the right skill sets to run the schemes that you want to run.

Talk about a perfect storm to make things as bad as they could possibly be??!!

But then when would be the time to transition to the new schemes becomes the question? Do you do it when you have some of the pieces? Most of the pieces? Or all of the pieces? No I think you bite the bullet and get everyone on the same page with the systems you want to run from day one.

But your right with talk about a perfect storm. Playing the #2, #4 and #5 teams all within the 1st 6 games while trying to implement these new systems is pretty ridiculous IMO. Well established top10 teams in the entire history of college football have never tackled a schedule this daunting in the 1st 6 weeks. By the way how'd we do against those other three teams we played. I think you seriously have to take the level of competition into consideration before we deem this an utter failure. Especially since were the 1st team in history to face 3 Top5 schools in the 1st 6 games.

 

[cohwx]

I just want to see us be competitive against the rest of our schedule, then we can go from there. Right now, I don't know what to expect.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

But then when would be the time to transition to the new schemes becomes the question? Do you do it when you have some of the pieces? Most of the pieces? Or all of the pieces? No I think you bite the bullet and get everyone on the same page with the systems you want to run from day one.

But your right with talk about a perfect storm. Playing the #2, #4 and #5 teams all within the 1st 6 games while trying to implement these new systems is pretty ridiculous IMO. Well established top10 teams in the entire history of college football have never tackled a schedule this daunting in the 1st 6 weeks. By the way how'd we do against those other three teams we played. I think you seriously have to take the level of competition into consideration before we deem this an utter failure. Especially since were the 1st team in history to face 3 Top5 schools in the 1st 6 games.

It's amazing how many people here refused to believe how good those 3 teams were going to be this year. For a long time there was denial about each of them (different posters, etc...).

 

[alex13rufan]

We aren't recruiting Florida

 

[ILOVERUTGERS]

So he wants the state university of NJ to recruit players from Dade County...lol

Can't have it both ways Mr Foster, and our best player Mr Grant isn't from south Florida

 

[redking]

We aren't recruiting Florida

We should recruit Florida. It's a no brainer, given the successful Florida players that Rutgers has had.

 

[tico brown]

I am not thrilled with Ash.

IF he knew that the talent was not there to run his offensive and defensive schemes, then he should have run last year's schemes until he could recruit the talent necessary to run his schemes.

This is the worst of all things. Very little talent or depth, new schemes on both sides of the ball, and not the right skill sets to run the schemes that you want to run.

Talk about a perfect storm to make things as bad as they could possibly be??!!

They went 4-8 with last year's schemes last year.

 

[kapyoche]

We are in the BIG where one bad year of recruiting sets us back five years. We have to get at least three good recruits on defense and three good recruits on offense every year to be somewhat viable in the BIG. By good recruits, I mean potential NFL draft picks. We are not going to get too many first rounders but we need NFL draft prospects on this team otherwise 78-0 is going to be the rule. We are small, slow, stupid (football wise), weak and unmotivated. That is impossible to overcome.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

The part about Florida has nothing to do with the reason I posted this thread. I thought everyone would've gotten the reason the thread was posted. I guess not (hint: the part about the current roster).

 

[greenknight]

I am not thrilled with Ash.

IF he knew that the talent was not there to run his offensive and defensive schemes, then he should have run last year's schemes until he could recruit the talent necessary to run his schemes.

This is the worst of all things. Very little talent or depth, new schemes on both sides of the ball, and not the right skill sets to run the schemes that you want to run.

Talk about a perfect storm to make things as bad as they could possibly be??!!

Huhhhhhh your kidding right. Just to throw this out at you maybe you might get it....if you run the same schemes we did last year (which neither he nor any of his coaches were a part of) you lose a year of learning for this year's class it's a waste. 2nd you do not fire a staff and hire a whole new staff to run the same schemes

Do some thinking before you type....just saying

 

[BoogieKnight]

Huhhhhhh your kidding right. Just to throw this out at you maybe you might get it....if you run the same schemes we did last year (which neither he nor any of his coaches were a part of) you lose a year of learning for this year's class it's a waste. 2nd you do not fire a staff and hire a whole new staff to run the same schemes

Do some thinking before you type....just saying

As the Fonz used to say..."exactamundo". This is the 3rd coaching change we've had in the past 17 years and during the last one the new HC just tried to carry on the former HC's program. This is not that scenario. This is a tear-down and rebuild job just like GS did after Shea. We are not building off of "close losses" to Michigan State, Maryland and Wazzu last year. That's not what is taking place nor should it be. We need to turn over the roster and install new schemes.It's going to be painful and there's no guarantee at the culmination of it in 5 years we will be competing for a Big Ten championship just yet but that's the nature of sports. Do I personally think we will be better than we were under Flood? Yes, by 2018 we should be. But that's just my opinion.

 

[JQRU91]

We should recruit Florida. It's a no brainer, given the successful Florida players that Rutgers has had.

I would agree except that I don't think that our current coaching staff has the experience and contacts to effectively recruit in Florida.

 

[ScarletKnight1]

I am not thrilled with Ash.

IF he knew that the talent was not there to run his offensive and defensive schemes, then he should have run last year's schemes until he could recruit the talent necessary to run his schemes.

This is the worst of all things. Very little talent or depth, new schemes on both sides of the ball, and not the right skill sets to run the schemes that you want to run.

Talk about a perfect storm to make things as bad as they could possibly be??!!

relax

 

[zappaa]

Nuts-
I know our guys do not have the talent to compete, but these kids are still D 1 athletes, big, fast and strong.
Do you have to run squarely into the heart and teeth of the best defenses in the country? Don't tell me we are not capable of a pitch to a tailback to get outside the tackles or a screen pass once in a blue moon to at least attempt
to beat the the blitz.
Geez…run right at their guts every running play?

 

[jtung230]

I would be ok with 60 something to 10. LOL

 

[WasatRutgers]

I would be ok with 60 something to 10. LOL

I'm not sure why he didn't remember it was 57-5

 

[Blitz Pakage]

I can see both sides but ultimately I don't see the point of continuing last year's schemes for another year. Why? So we can win 4 games instead of 3? So we can lose 70-13 instead of 76-0? All you're doing is delaying the rebuilding process that way in return for another bad year. Will 4 wins instead of 3 bring in better recruits? Doubtful. I think it's better to just take your medicine and get it over with.

Yep! Agree. the sooner the better. We have to instill the schemes right now to get a start on the future. This way the kids coming back will have at least an understanding of the concepts.

 

[RU31trap]

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Yes, this needed its own thread IMHO, please read "that's WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TALENT TO COMPETE PROBLEM" in case you guys miss it:

Sounds good Nuts. But if look at the roster in 2005 and 2006 very little changed.

 

[KevH]

I am not thrilled with Ash.

IF he knew that the talent was not there to run his offensive and defensive schemes, then he should have run last year's schemes until he could recruit the talent necessary to run his schemes.

This is the worst of all things. Very little talent or depth, new schemes on both sides of the ball, and not the right skill sets to run the schemes that you want to run.

Talk about a perfect storm to make things as bad as they could possibly be??!!

So, you hire a new manager to run a key department in your company based on a strong skill set, resume, references and interview. He has a distinct management style and philosophy, but the existing staff was hired by the last manager who was fired for poor performance. Most of the staff have bought in to the new manager and are trying, but some have not bought in and others have decided to move on. The early results are disappointing, but for the most part, not unexpected.

Do you demand that the new manager adopt the style and methods of the last one, or do you expect him to do what you hired him for? When you're paying good money, and your organization's long term success is on the line, do you want the guy on the resume, or the guy you just fired? After all, if the previous guy's style/system and personnel decisions were sound, you wouldn't have fired him to begin with.

 

[TheHandOfChaos]

I am not thrilled with Ash.

IF he knew that the talent was not there to run his offensive and defensive schemes, then he should have run last year's schemes until he could recruit the talent necessary to run his schemes.

This is the worst of all things. Very little talent or depth, new schemes on both sides of the ball, and not the right skill sets to run the schemes that you want to run.

Talk about a perfect storm to make things as bad as they could possibly be??!!

This

 

[Plum Street]

So, you hire a new manager to run a key department in your company based on a strong skill set, resume, references and interview. He has a distinct management style and philosophy, but the existing staff was hired by the last manager who was fired for poor performance. Most of the staff have bought in to the new manager and are trying, but some have not bought in and others have decided to move on. The early results are disappointing, but for the most part, not unexpected.

Do you demand that the new manager adopt the style and methods of the last one, or do you expect him to do what you hired him for? When you're paying good money, and your organization's long term success is on the line, do you want the guy on the resume, or the guy you just fired? After all, if the previous guy's style/system and personnel decisions were sound, you wouldn't have fired him to begin with.

Obviously, you want the guy to do what you hired him for . But you would think any good manager would adapt a little and try to put the inherited employees into the best position to succeed .

 

[brookdale-soda]

Exactly! Those teams were built with south Florida talent and some other out of state talent where we could get it.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

It is easy to win with top talent.. comparatively.

Heck, Flood might have won with top talent.. but I think he'd be more of a Brady Hoke with top talent. Did we hire a guy who said he'd win only with top talent?

I don't get it.. no one should look this bad on offense. No one.

 

[rufeelinit]

No excuse for 78-0. None! 16 punts, about 50 yds of total offense. That's just awful. On the back of 58-0 the week before its just very hard to stomach. Yes those teams are very good but Cmon. Glad I have the day off tomorrow.

 

[czxqa]

I am not thrilled with Ash.

IF he knew that the talent was not there to run his offensive and defensive schemes, then he should have run last year's schemes until he could recruit the talent necessary to run his schemes.

I've seen a few ppl say this and here's why putting the schemes in now was the right thing to do. Installing a new offense and executing it successfully takes more than just one training camp. There are always growing pains for at least a year or even two. This was a throwaway year anyway, so by putting in the offense now, they don't turn two bad seasons into three. Why teach the freshmen one offense this year they have to unlearn next year?

 

[BoogieKnight]

I've seen a few ppl say this and here's why putting the schemes in now was the right thing to do. Installing a new offense and executing it successfully takes more than just one training camp. There are always growing pains for at least a year or even two. This was a throwaway year anyway, so by putting in the offense now, they don't turn two bad seasons into three. Why teach the freshmen one offense this year they have to unlearn next year?

Bingo. People have to let go of the fact that this season matters record wise. This season is about installing new schemes and getting live reps against teams other than ourselves. We need to play other teams to get better with it. Running even a modified pro set just to make games a little closer makes no sense.