Eugene talks
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Do you remember the ohio state game on the other hand? We can play this game however we want. You will see this year that we as a team are better without eugene. Just as I said we as a team would be better without deshawn freeman
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Fig, let me ask you something. How old are you? If I had to guess id say 62+
Very serious he did not fit into their TEAM concept. He was more of a give me the ball and let me go methodically one on one for 10 seconds of the possession. Yes the current guys would ball his ass up and down the floor
You give me a one on one RH jr and him and he would get his ass kicked all over the court
I thought Eugene was a heck of a player and posted it many times on the board. That written Oregon's 2019 class is linked below. They have four (4)- four and five star players for the 2019 class 6'8"+. Plus Luk Wur who is another 6'8"+ 3* kid. I assume most if not all of them will be around, with a full year of CBB experience, when EO takes the floor in 2020. I know Rutgers and Coach P thought a lot of Omoruyi. Hopefully Coach Altman does as well.
As I wrote I liked Eugene a bunch and he might be really good at Oregon, but there sure as heck is a path to a Rosario-like UF role for Eugene at Oregon. It sure looks like HC Altman recruited a ton of highly regarded bigs, none of whom is thought of as a "one and done" type player so they should be around in 2020.
https://oregon.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2019
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I will not bash Eugene. I appreciate what he did for RU but was disappointed that he left us high and dry. I think we will be fine and want to root for the guys that are 100 % for RU. I hope this season goes very well for our team.
Ok? You won't bash him but he'll bash your team. Stand up for yourself and have some team pride.
I think he should have said nothing! This thread is going to trash him, and rightfully so.
In the end I hope he realizes he made a mistake and envies the RU success.
In the end I hope he realizes he made a mistake and envies the RU success.
What does that have to do with him leaving. Just think your heading in the wrong direction.
It's his right to transfer for whatever reason. However, he will not be missed. This team is going places. Eugene cares about Eugene.
He's been recruited over at Rutgers and Oregon.
Should have stayed here. He would have been a solid 6th guy D type.
I mean, it's 2019 and Baker is 20 years old. Social media is how kids that age respond to stuff. I think it's perfectly appropriate for the LEADER on our team to make a post like that to rally his team.
Also, who's to say Geo and the whole team HAVEN'T "let it go"? Geo was simply addressing EO's comments that were posted on this site yesterday. He said his piece and likely WILL "let it go." It's not like Geo's post was out of left field -- he was responding to EO's comments.
This is so wrong it's not even funny. Eugene absolutely would have started this year and would have been one of the team leaders in scoring, rebounding, and defense again.
Nor was he recruited over by Harper and Yeboah. Harper was recruited as a 2/3, and Yeboah was insurance for Eugene and Doucoure.
We can be pleased with the development of our current players, and Pike's ability to backfill, without making outlandish statements about the guy that left.
You've never even seen Yeboah play.
Why would we need "insurance" for Eugene?
Pike upgraded the roster, Eugene thought he was the guy when he wasn't, and moved on. So did Rutgers, by getting Yeboah.
Obligatory reminder that Hawk had Eugene down for 6 points and 6 rebounds last year.
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(imo) It's ok to say Eugene was an important piece for the Rutgers basketball team. It is also ok to view him as replaceable. And I hold both positions. I don't view them as mutually exclusive.
Eugene averaged 12.4/6.8 in conference games (both numbers led our team and include a 4 minute 0/0 line in the game he got hurt). He was chosen Honorable Mention All-B1G. He wasn't a stiff.
The sequel to Garbo talks. Good luck Eugene. You bailedl like Jonah Jackson did. Do I blame you ? Nope ..I hope you do well out there.
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Honestly wouldve been for the best if that was his stat line. When eugene went “me ball” to get his we were awful.
Wanna hear a crazy stats? We won 7 big ten games last year, 4 of those wins eugene scored 11 points or less. In fact when eugene scored 11 points or less vs big ten teams we were 5-3.
When eugene scored more than 11 points? We were 2-8 vs big ten teams.
Just saw this thread, I already posted on this subject in the round table. I think most of Eugene's comments are unadulterated B.S. and no, I don't think we are better off without him and I really am sorry he left.
IMHO, to understand what happened you just have to look at the timing and circumstances of his departure. As I understood the story last spring, there was no indication that Eugene was looking to transfer, then he made a bizarre late night announcement. What happened right before that? It became official that Yeboah was coming on board. That's it. The truth is staring everybody in the face. He can say whatever he wants, but the simplest explanation is usually right. We added Yeboah and Euguene bolted.
Maybe he felt disrespected, maybe he wasn't looking forward to some additional competition his senior year, I don't know. But to seriously entertain the idea that he suddenly decided at that late date to transfer in the manner he did just because he wanted to go to the NCAA tournament is silly. Now, once he made what appears to have been a rash decision to go the Benedict Arnold route, I'm sure he picked a school that he thought had a good chance to go the tournament. Fine. But for him to say he was looking for teammates with a competitive edge like him is self-serving and insulting.
He can try to spin it any way he wants, but when the going got tough, he got going - out the door.
IMHO, to understand what happened you just have to look at the timing and circumstances of his departure. As I understood the story last spring, there was no indication that Eugene was looking to transfer, then he made a bizarre late night announcement. What happened right before that? It became official that Yeboah was coming on board. That's it. The truth is staring everybody in the face. He can say whatever he wants, but the simplest explanation is usually right. We added Yeboah and Euguene bolted.
Maybe he felt disrespected, maybe he wasn't looking forward to some additional competition his senior year, I don't know. But to seriously entertain the idea that he suddenly decided at that late date to transfer in the manner he did just because he wanted to go to the NCAA tournament is silly. Now, once he made what appears to have been a rash decision to go the Benedict Arnold route, I'm sure he picked a school that he thought had a good chance to go the tournament. Fine. But for him to say he was looking for teammates with a competitive edge like him is self-serving and insulting.
He can try to spin it any way he wants, but when the going got tough, he got going - out the door.
He obviously saw the writing on the wall. Pike specifically went out and got a known commodity he had a relationship with at the exact position Eugene plays.
Eugene then left immediately. He saw what anyone with two eyes could see. He was recruited over.
Not saying he wouldn't get time or been a contributor, but EO isn't the guy. He's a piece on a good team. He will learn this very quickly at Oregon. And that's best case scenario.
You can flip that argument though. A lot of times when he resorted to hero ball it was because everybody else was underperforming. There were games where everybody else was throwing up bricks other than him.
For the record, I think it is incredible weak sauce that he decided to transfer. Just a dumb move on his part and I’m not even saying that for selfish reasons as a RU fan. He’s doing himself a disservice by going somewhere where he will be an after thought. Life after basketball is loooong and I don’t think it is a bright idea to burn bridges at a place you would otherwise be revered. Very immature.
I don't know Cali, I don't think he was recruited OVER exactly. I believe PIke thought there would be significant roles for both of them and that together they could make the team better. I do suspect that Eugene was not thrilled by that development, for whatever reason.
Pretty sure I posted something like that in the transfer thread back in May or whenever. We can still separate out the way he left (bad) from the player he was (good). Nebraska would've beaten us by 30 in the tournament if not for him. Wouldn't have had a chance to win against Penn State without him. etc
Some harsh comments about EO. He played hard and was very good on the defensive end. I did not like his post up offensive game even thought it was successful at times because many times it left 4 people standing around while he pounded the rock. He also returned more quickly from injuries and played hurt presumably to help the team. His development over his three years was noteworthy and you might have thought would have earned Pike a little more loyalty for the staff's role in bringing him along.
It is still not entirely clear to me what his plan was for this season had he remained here. Was he contemplating a medical RS year to rehab his knee? If that was the case than Yeboah would not have mattered as a grad transfer. If he intended to play and was offended by Yeboah, then perhaps better that he left.
Honestly I never saw his game translating at the pro level. Maybe overseas but certainly not the NBA. There will be nights where I will wish he was still here but I think we will be OK without him going forward.
It is still not entirely clear to me what his plan was for this season had he remained here. Was he contemplating a medical RS year to rehab his knee? If that was the case than Yeboah would not have mattered as a grad transfer. If he intended to play and was offended by Yeboah, then perhaps better that he left.
Honestly I never saw his game translating at the pro level. Maybe overseas but certainly not the NBA. There will be nights where I will wish he was still here but I think we will be OK without him going forward.
Love what geo said...
Ive been saying for a long time that it is going to take a leader (or two) to keep whatever team gets us over the hump and to the dance because there will be so much pressure to get over the hump when we can taste it. Need a leader to keep everyone hungry and humble, locked and focused in
If you can’t appreciate that geo isn’t willing to do the heavy lifting to get us there ...and take the pressure...when “the other captain” ran for the easier road, then that’s your perogative
When you have never been there before ...you need the speak up leaders like Eric foster ...and the determined do it right leaders like Brian Leonard...to keep the unit within together
I’m all in on Geo being the captain of the team that returns Rutgers to the NCAA tournament ....all in
Ive been saying for a long time that it is going to take a leader (or two) to keep whatever team gets us over the hump and to the dance because there will be so much pressure to get over the hump when we can taste it. Need a leader to keep everyone hungry and humble, locked and focused in
If you can’t appreciate that geo isn’t willing to do the heavy lifting to get us there ...and take the pressure...when “the other captain” ran for the easier road, then that’s your perogative
When you have never been there before ...you need the speak up leaders like Eric foster ...and the determined do it right leaders like Brian Leonard...to keep the unit within together
I’m all in on Geo being the captain of the team that returns Rutgers to the NCAA tournament ....all in
there is a serious break from reality here. People’s disappointment with Eugene’s leaving is clouding what type of player he was here.
We had our best year here in many many years last year. It was clear as day who the best player on the team was last year.
I hope I am wrong, but if I am right about how this season goes there will be a lot of people who talk about how good Doorson was and now we missed him.
We had our best year here in many many years last year. It was clear as day who the best player on the team was last year.
I hope I am wrong, but if I am right about how this season goes there will be a lot of people who talk about how good Doorson was and now we missed him.
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It is my educated guess that the team didn’t like Eugene and Eugene didn’t like the team. Just a guess. If in fact Baker and Harper led Eugene to leave then It is a problem and they, in my eyes, better step up.
Again just a guess. I can totally see how Eugene would rub people the wrong way. I always thought Eugene led by actions on court but he wasn’t captain material. I thought Eugene was an a$$ the way he dealt with a teammate (forgot who) when he put him in a head lock. Not many agreed. If my analysis is any part right Baker and Harper are true leaders if they make things work despite their and the teams feeling for Eugene.
It is my educated guess that the team didn’t like Eugene and Eugene didn’t like the team. Just a guess. If in fact Baker and Harper led Eugene to leave then It is a problem and they, in my eyes, better step up.
Again just a guess. I can totally see how Eugene would rub people the wrong way. I always thought Eugene led by actions on court but he wasn’t captain material. I thought Eugene was an a$$ the way he dealt with a teammate (forgot who) when he put him in a head lock. Not many agreed. If my analysis is any part right Baker and Harper are true leaders if they make things work despite their and the teams feeling for Eugene.
Was there any "friction" between Eugene and the young guys (Geo; Harper; Montez) etc? No inside info but I can sense this is a possibility and the locker room / ball on the court was now belonging to the young bucks. It could have been heat of the battle moments - but I recall seeing Montez and Eugene argue several times on the court.
Regardless we will miss him and hopefully we have the defensive / rebounding prowess to compensate for his defection.
Regardless we will miss him and hopefully we have the defensive / rebounding prowess to compensate for his defection.
If your coach is saying EO is one of his best players, and using him in a way that many here feel was inefficient, and went to Canada to try and convince him to stay....
Why are people saying we are better off without EO? Believing that is saying you think Pike has mishandled this roster in a pretty big way.
Why are people saying we are better off without EO? Believing that is saying you think Pike has mishandled this roster in a pretty big way.
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Has a coach, namely Pike, ever said that a certain player hurt the team or was one of the worst players on the team? Bad argument
