First Suspensions Handed Down by MSU.
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It appeared that way to me, yes. Operative word being “appeared”. I don’t know if it was or wasn’t and neither do you. Because we weren’t there.
Oooh some B1G tough MSU player got violently triggered because the player on Michigan ”skipped “ through the tunnel on his way to his locker room? Yeah that’s a safe place kid acting out and it just goes along with the times. Too bad they didn’t pull a handgun from their pants ….that’ll would be justifiable by some standards.
Not even vaguely analogous or equivalent things and it’s insulting to rape victims to suggest they are.
And if (note the “if”) the UM player was skipping around and mouthing off to the opposing team after the game, then while he is a victim, he’s also guilty of instigation (and Darwinian-fate-tempting stupidity).
Just because what the MSU players did in response was wrong shouldn’t obviate the UM player from responsibility for his actions in inciting things (again, if he was taunting which has yet to be established). Everybody involved who behaved improperly should be punished.
Sorry “ sticks and stones” was always something to live by . Today the under 45 crowd is easily triggered by “ . words that hurt”. Now that is pathetic.
The under 45 crowd? Did you arrive at that number scientifically having commissioned polling across the globe that showed that the cutoff age for people being over-sensitive is 45?
Just take a walk around the water cooler at work …in a college football stadium… in a restaurant bar….most of these stupid escalated fights from words are not between 50-60 or 70+ men . The fighting comes from the macho testosterone level idiots who think they are bad. So yeah I ‘ll stick with under 45 year old group .
Wanna fight about it? Pillow fight, of course. 🤣
Most posters on the board over 45 would probably defend themselves if physically attacked not because somebody called you a name or said “ you guys sucked today.” I could be wrong but I don’t think so … now get the F…away from me or I’ll smack the crap out of you.
I used to love fighting, mostly because I was very good at it and it let me blow off some steam. But due mostly to the abuse I put my body through in my 20s and 30s, my body is way, way too banged up now.
Even a pillow fight could injure me. 🙂
For sure testosterone is a prime factor in violence. I'm just pointing out that choosing any age is an exercise in generalization and propensity to violence (and testosterone levels) are not uniformly correlated with age.
So while the tendency to violence is statistically stronger in younger people, choosing a specific age of demarcation is unlikely to result in an objectively accurate outcome. I like accuracy, thus you see me qualify stuff like that (I'd say violence over words is more likely w/younger people than older people rather than pull some number out of a hat).
Last year, a guy backing out of his driveway onto a fairly busy road crossed the sidewalk and went into the road while looking at his cell phone the whole time, not looking or seeing I was passing behind him on my bike. I was clearly visible with a hunter orange bike helmet. I stopped, and asked him WTF he was doing and why he didn't stop. His first words to me were: "Do you want to fight about it." He was likely over 50. My response to him was something along the lines of no, thanks, but I would be happy to call the police and discuss your getting a ticket for driving like an a-hole. His response was "F You!" and he sped off. Ass kicking averted.
Yep. I see older guys with anger issues all the time. Some might have an overabundance of testosterone. Some might have personality issues.
My dad was an extremely angry guy his entire life. I used to take him to doctor's appointments in NYC in his mid-80s. One time, we're walking from a subway station to Sloan Kettering and a limo ran a red-light and cut the corner, driving slowly but coming very close to us as we were crossing the street.
My dad cursed loudly, leaned back and stomped on the limo's rear quarter panel, denting it. I'm like, oh great, now I'm gonna have to beat up some limo guy to stop him from stomping my 80 year old dad. The limo driver, displaying what I find to be a typical NYC "whatever" attitude, just ignored it and drove on.
Anger issues, oversensitivity... these things happen all throughout life for some.
Being angry and using physical violence is usually saved for the younger generations . It doesn’t mean older guys say age 50 and up is very unlikely to happen and not because they can’t fight. If you need to defend yourself I would still do it today. I might lose but short of a gun they would have more than several marks . Not being tough just sending a return message. The players on all teams need to be made aware that this type of behavior is verbodden.
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See this video more in full- the first ones were hard to see what actually happened- number 4 and whoever was swinging the helmet- that is 100% criminal and has nothing to do with adrenaline or anything else. Any of our jokers on the board trying to play it off or with the "boys will be boys" crap- should just stop and maybe just say "wow- I didn't see all that in the first video"
That video is far more clear about what happened and with whom than earlier vids that were posted.
Damn, I had not seen the helmet until this one. Regardless of any douchebaggery, that is completely uncool...
#4 (a starter) put his helmet on before engaging the UM guy, and held him while his teammate whacked him with a helmet. I don't care how provocative skipping amongst the MSU players is/was. There's no excuse for that.
I didn't see anybody play it off as boys will be boys. And nobody here at all "saw all that" in the first video.
A couple/few of us correctly pointed out that the videos posted previously were not the stuff upon which firm conclusions as to what exactly happened or who exactly did what could be based. None of us need "stop", nor apologize, for insisting upon better evidence before forming strong opinions about it all.
I get that society today loves to form instant outraged opinions based on limited, or no, evidence. But I'll be damned if I'm ever going to be part of that extremely regrettable trend just because it's popular w/the masses.
I'll continue to wait for actual facts instead of leaping to conclusions.
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I'll say this again, because you are mischaracterizing what I said a second time now.
I never once said there was an "excuse" for the violence that took place in the tunnel. I said that the UM player outside the tunnel, if it turns out he was in fact taunting the other team, should also be punished for his role in inciting the situation, along with all MSU players who responded violently.
OTOH, this second thing, for which no clear video was posted previously, makes it seem like the UM player that was attacked was doing nothing whatsoever to precipitate things. Hard to know for sure, but that's what it looked like.
Anyway, I stand by my statement. The severity and/or degree of an improper response to a bad precipitating action does not erase that precipitating action from existence. Cops and judges are forever taking context into consideration when responding to, or adjudicating crimes. As they should if actual justice is going to be served.
I wasn't referring to anything you said. You don't happen to drive a black SUV and try to back over bicycle riders wearing hunter orange helmets, do you? 🤣
The boys will be boys was not at everyone but there were a couple with that attitude.
When I posted about what we can see at on the new videos...I knew that some like yourself, would be able to have the chance and say- "oh boy, nevermind, this video is pretty damn bad"
I knew it was bad but I can also understand anyone that just couldnt see it because the first few video's did leave a lot to be left to one's imagination.
The helmet video we have all seen now- if there is anyone that can look past it as normal- that is a different story.
As for you- no need to defend- understand the reason for the first impression and appreciate you came back after you saw the clearer video.
Exactly! UM #1 caused this. It's completely unacceptable to run into the other team, as they exit or enter the field. He should be disciplined as well. Without UM #1's unacceptable action, this situation would not have occurred.
I didn't "come back" after seeing the more recent video. I've been here all along and stand by everything I've written in this thread, or the other about this subject, as having been fully accurate and well-reasoned. Also, I'm not defending myself as I've written nothing that requires any defense.
My first impression was entirely correct and this latest video does nothing to alter that. It's not incorrect to state, in the absence of data, that I won't form any firm opinions until I have more data with which to do so. That's ALWAYS more correct than leaping to conclusions, even when those leapt-to conclusions wind up being correct in the end.
You guys must not be rutgers basketball fans and venture over to that board. There is a rutgers graduate on the basketball team that has trouble with 7th grade world geography. But no one cares , we just want wins
You should become a rutgers basketball fan . They are solid program and easy to root for . It should be an exciting year
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I have seen many College Grads with issues with many things that seem very easy to others.
I have no idea what you are referring to or why it means a damn thing- assuming it has to do with CM on the MBB team. But have no idea of the reference.
But, I am sure, I can put up a whole lot of Rutger's Student Athletes in a debate on many things against you in many subjects.
most have no idea where plum street is, imagine this, most I spoke to, thought plum st. was at State Penn ....hahaha sorry, couldn't resist
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