Flood's Future

[chrisru99]

What would you say if Julie and Barchi came out and said that Flood will stay one more year. In this statement they also state truths that us as fans and alums will have to accept. fact 1 they will say that Flood is owed 1.4 million and his staff is owed money bringing the total to 2 million to start over. 2. No donors have stepped up to pay for the 2 million to start over 3. They will say to hire a suitable replacement of Big Ten caliber will require 3 miliion a year for a head coach and a million and a half for his staff. To back this they will point that Rutgers grads and fans give less money than all other power 5 teams back to their school. This is fact like it or not as a whole we are cheap compared to the REST of the BIG. 4 as an excuse and a valid one if you ask me they do not want to further burden the students with further subsidizing the program. They will never come out and say this but what if they were brutally honest and said it. Folks be prepared for the reasons I mentioned above that Flodd will be back next year. We are not getting a full share of BIG money yet. Flood back for at least one more is a real possibility. IMO

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I'd say the money to replace Flood has already been raised and they're lying....

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I would show them the math regarding how much $$$ we're going to lose, next year, when season ticket sales, donations, parking, concessions, etc, etc, etc, plummet.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I would say "try harder, now, we don't deserve this."

Nuts has heard this more than once, I'm sure...lolol

 

[RUskoolie]

I sent this image to both Julie and Barchi. This is what they will see against Maryland in 8 days and a lot in 2016 if Flood is back.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Nuts has heard this more than once, I'm sure...lolol

Damn, you got in before the edit....lol....and, uhm, I'll go with "never!"

 

[RuBird]

Horror show for recruiting to give one year deals. Does not matter who the coach is

 

[Knight Shift]

Let's paint them a picture

X $>>

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Then they could get a lecture on lost opportunity costs.

 

[superfan01]

I thought floods buyout is already paid for.

 

[rubaseball78]

If they bring him back, they are not going to say 1, nor 2, nor 3.

 

[slyker]

I sent this image to both Julie and Barchi. This is what they will see against Maryland in 8 days and a lot in 2016 if Flood is back.

And Julie and Barchi will see a bunch of empty but already paid for seats. And they will be pretty certain that there will be a minimal drop off in season ticket sales after one losing season. Tell me again why people really think that fans will forfeit their good seat locations after spending so much time, effort and money over the years to get those seats after just one losing season. Some of you are really over estimating the amount of people that will actually give up their seats. To tell you the truth, it is my opinion and likely the RU admin's opinion that the folks on this board are just threatening to give up their seats , but in actuality have no intention of giving them up. May be a few here and there are legitimate but I guarantee those percentages will be very low. I've been waiting for years just to pick up one or two more seats in my area and nobody is giving them up

 

[JoeRU0304]

Yay another "it's the fans' fault" thread!!! Please, tell me more about how we're responsible for the "Bigger Time Football" plan, hiring Grunninger, the Shea Era, Emailgate, and our pass rush and offense combining for about 4 TD's and sacks over the past 5 weeks.


Joe P.

 

[ruman]

Then they should also announce our withdrawal from the Big Ten Conference, saying it was a mistake from the beginning

 

[RUskoolie]

And Julie and Barchi will see a bunch of empty but already paid for seats. And they will be pretty certain that there will be a minimal drop off in season ticket sales after one losing season. Tell me again why people really think that fans will forfeit their good seat locations after spending so much time, effort and money over the years to get those seats after just one losing season. Some of you are really over estimating the amount of people that will actually give up their seats. To tell you the truth, it is my opinion and likely the RU admin's opinion that the folks on this board are just threatening to give up their seats , but in actuality have no intention of giving them up. May be a few here and there are legitimate but I guarantee those percentages will be very low. I've been waiting for years just to pick up one or two more seats in my area and nobody is giving them up

From 2009 to 2010 season tickets went from 31k to 26k and that was because of a losing season, not because of a coach who completely embarassed the University on so many occassions that I am out of fingers and toes. From 2010 to 2011 they dropped another 4k to 22k.

Rutgers football is a form of entertainment, it's like taking kids to the beach, going to the movies or going on a family vacation. I rather spend a week in Honolulu then spend the same amount of money and feel like a vistor in the stadium as I watch us get creamed by schools each week.

 

[S.B. Crumb]

"Hello, would you like to donate to RU athletics?"

 

[Scarlet16E]

One thing is certain. They must either say "Flood is our coach" and not cut his feet from under him by saying that he is only here for a year, OR hire someone new (at least an "interim" coach).

 

[Knight Shift]

And Julie and Barchi will see a bunch of empty but already paid for seats. And they will be pretty certain that there will be a minimal drop off in season ticket sales after one losing season. Tell me again why people really think that fans will forfeit their good seat locations after spending so much time, effort and money over the years to get those seats after just one losing season. Some of you are really over estimating the amount of people that will actually give up their seats. To tell you the truth, it is my opinion and likely the RU admin's opinion that the folks on this board are just threatening to give up their seats , but in actuality have no intention of giving them up. May be a few here and there are legitimate but I guarantee those percentages will be very low. I've been waiting for years just to pick up one or two more seats in my area and nobody is giving them up

5,000 non-renewals, which is realistic, equals a minimum of $2.7 million in revenue, not counting parking, concessions and other other purchases. It is safe to say that RU could lose $3-5 million between season ticket purchases and single game purchases if the fanbase perceives apathy from the administration. That's the "revenue neutral" thing they keep preaching.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

The money has been raised...

 

[Upstream]

What would you say if Julie and Barchi ....

I've been fairly consistent in my support of Hermann and Barchi and have defended both against what I view as unfounded criticism on this board. That said, if they keep Flood around because there is no money to replace him, then I'd have to change my opinion of their capabilities.

The cost of keeping Flood is far greater than the cost to replace him. The cost of lost ticket sales (both season and single game tickets), along with the associated donations, parking fees, and concessions, is far greater than Flood's buyout and the incremental cost of a new coach. The level of no-shows at the Nebraska game is indicative of what the future holds for ticket sales. If people are going to eat the cost of the ticket and not go to a game this year, then in the future they'll just skip buying the ticket in the first place.

The cost of replacing Flood is not a valid reason to keep him around.

In my mind, there is only one valid reason to keep Flood, and that is if they believe that he will be successful as a head coach. That is a decision that would rest more on Hermann than Barchi, since it is her job to evaluate coaching performance. (While Barchi may have an opinion, like all of us who attend the games, Barchi shouldn't be any more involved in formal evaluation of Flood's coaching skills than he should be in determining if a History professor should receive tenure.)

 

[MoobyCow]

The money has been raised...

How much has been raised?

 

[Leonard23]

How much has been raised?

I guess that depends on (i) whether that blank page is Towers' pledge agreement, (ii) if we're going to dick around & try to fire for cause & not pay KF or the assistants (which would likely deter coaching candidates), & (iii) whether Brown found his way off the milk carton & is willing to authorize spending $2M-$3.5M on a head coach with a similar staff budget for anyone other than GS or if donors are also expected to pay for the new head coach & staff. We usually go the uncomfortable route so buckle up as I'm certain it'll be a shit show of epic proportions yet again.

 

[RUJohnny99]

And Julie and Barchi will see a bunch of empty but already paid for seats. And they will be pretty certain that there will be a minimal drop off in season ticket sales after one losing season. Tell me again why people really think that fans will forfeit their good seat locations after spending so much time, effort and money over the years to get those seats after just one losing season. Some of you are really over estimating the amount of people that will actually give up their seats. To tell you the truth, it is my opinion and likely the RU admin's opinion that the folks on this board are just threatening to give up their seats , but in actuality have no intention of giving them up. May be a few here and there are legitimate but I guarantee those percentages will be very low. I've been waiting for years just to pick up one or two more seats in my area and nobody is giving them up

I can drop 3 of my 4 tickets and keep my priority points & buy extras to the big games thru the season ticket option.

Redo your math with 5,000 old timers dropping 2 tickets & half the people we picked up since 2012 not renewing.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

And Julie and Barchi will see a bunch of empty but already paid for seats. And they will be pretty certain that there will be a minimal drop off in season ticket sales after one losing season. Tell me again why people really think that fans will forfeit their good seat locations after spending so much time, effort and money over the years to get those seats after just one losing season. Some of you are really over estimating the amount of people that will actually give up their seats. To tell you the truth, it is my opinion and likely the RU admin's opinion that the folks on this board are just threatening to give up their seats , but in actuality have no intention of giving them up. May be a few here and there are legitimate but I guarantee those percentages will be very low. I've been waiting for years just to pick up one or two more seats in my area and nobody is giving them up

You might want to take a look at the HUGE drop in season ticket sales, a few years back before making baseless comments as such.

 

[50 yd line RR]

I've been fairly consistent in my support of Hermann and Barchi and have defended both against what I view as unfounded criticism on this board. That said, if they keep Flood around because there is no money to replace him, then I'd have to change my opinion of their capabilities.

The cost of keeping Flood is far greater than the cost to replace him. The cost of lost ticket sales (both season and single game tickets), along with the associated donations, parking fees, and concessions, is far greater than Flood's buyout and the incremental cost of a new coach. The level of no-shows at the Nebraska game is indicative of what the future holds for ticket sales. If people are going to eat the cost of the ticket and not go to a game this year, then in the future they'll just skip buying the ticket in the first place.

The cost of replacing Flood is not a valid reason to keep him around.

In my mind, there is only one valid reason to keep Flood, and that is if they believe that he will be successful as a head coach. That is a decision that would rest more on Hermann than Barchi, since it is her job to evaluate coaching performance. (While Barchi may have an opinion, like all of us who attend the games, Barchi shouldn't be any more involved in formal evaluation of Flood's coaching skills than he should be in determining if a History professor should receive tenure.)

It should have also been Hermann's job to find an reasonable punishment for e-mailgate,Instead of putting him in the corner with the dunce cap on for three games (I don't think that was J.H'S idea).Way to go guys.Way to represent.

 

[lighty]

"In my mind, there is only one valid reason to keep Flood, and that is if they believe that he will be successful as a head coach"

That's exactly why as much as I would have loved to see him let go after his second season, I could understand - to a degree - why firing him a year removed from a strong season was difficult. I'm sure there were many people (including donors) who felt he could be a successful coach. Years later, I'd say that number is much, much, much smaller if it exists at all.

Honestly, without knowing the behind the scenes details at all, I would kind of be shocked if Flood was not let go after this season. If he wins his last two games, there might be a minor movement to keep him, but I've got to believe that Julie and others have seen enough. The blow out losses to teams we will be facing every year, the apparent lack of depth (which seems to be getting worse each year), and, of course, the email fiasco.

This could be a situation in which the AD convinces the Board that a move is necessary even if the money isn't there. We all know there are ways to move money around in the budget and that money could very well be there already; regardless, as noted in this thread, the strong potential for lost revenue at home games should be enough to have a move made. I really believe that.

 

[CERU00]

The mods need a forum dedicated to pontificating on Flood's future. Or start deleting all of the hypothetical ponderings. Its making this board unreadable.

 

[MADHAT1]

Hopefully the money has been raised to buyout Flood's contract, BUT there was a rumor on this board ( if I'm remembering it right) before the 2014 season Julie was asking boosters to chip in and buy Flood out and couldn't get the money to do it.
Now I'm hearing the money's there to do it.
So my question is:
Flood's buyout money is coming from the boosters chipping in or just out of the Athletic Department ?

 

[rutgersdave]

And Julie and Barchi will see a bunch of empty but already paid for seats. And they will be pretty certain that there will be a minimal drop off in season ticket sales after one losing season. Tell me again why people really think that fans will forfeit their good seat locations after spending so much time, effort and money over the years to get those seats after just one losing season. Some of you are really over estimating the amount of people that will actually give up their seats. To tell you the truth, it is my opinion and likely the RU admin's opinion that the folks on this board are just threatening to give up their seats , but in actuality have no intention of giving them up. May be a few here and there are legitimate but I guarantee those percentages will be very low. I've been waiting for years just to pick up one or two more seats in my area and nobody is giving them up

I will buy season tickets again if they hire anyone to replace Flood because I'll have hope for another 3 years. I got rid of then 2 years ago due to Flood.

 

[RU#1fan]

And Julie and Barchi will see a bunch of empty but already paid for seats. And they will be pretty certain that there will be a minimal drop off in season ticket sales after one losing season. Tell me again why people really think that fans will forfeit their good seat locations after spending so much time, effort and money over the years to get those seats after just one losing season. Some of you are really over estimating the amount of people that will actually give up their seats. To tell you the truth, it is my opinion and likely the RU admin's opinion that the folks on this board are just threatening to give up their seats , but in actuality have no intention of giving them up. May be a few here and there are legitimate but I guarantee those percentages will be very low. I've been waiting for years just to pick up one or two more seats in my area and nobody is giving them up

You couldn't be more wrong. There will be a huge drop off in Season Ticketholders if Fudd returns. People are tired of ongoing 40 point blow out losses on multiple occasions each season. Not to mention 2 losing seasons out of the last 3 seasons. The novelty of the B1G has worn off...we could see Terry Shea era crowds at HPSS.

 

[zappaa]

What would you say if Julie and Barchi came out and said that Flood will stay one more year. In this statement they also state truths that us as fans and alums will have to accept. fact 1 they will say that Flood is owed 1.4 million and his staff is owed money bringing the total to 2 million to start over. 2. No donors have stepped up to pay for the 2 million to start over 3. They will say to hire a suitable replacement of Big Ten caliber will require 3 miliion a year for a head coach and a million and a half for his staff. To back this they will point that Rutgers grads and fans give less money than all other power 5 teams back to their school. This is fact like it or not as a whole we are cheap compared to the REST of the BIG. 4 as an excuse and a valid one if you ask me they do not want to further burden the students with further subsidizing the program. They will never come out and say this but what if they were brutally honest and said it. Folks be prepared for the reasons I mentioned above that Flodd will be back next year. We are not getting a full share of BIG money yet. Flood back for at least one more is a real possibility. IMO

Flood would quit if he had any standards of his own.

 

[JoeRU0304]

...and lemme guess- Cioffi got suspended this week because I didn't donate $10k, correct?


Joe P.

 

[RUns_w/scissors]

I will buy season tickets again if they hire anyone to replace Flood because I'll have hope for another 3 years. I got rid of then 2 years ago due to Flood.

If Flood stays, I give up my tickets completely.
If Schiano replaces Flood, I buy a 3 game mini-plan.
Anyone else and I'm in for the full season, as usual.

 

[MikeR0102]