Focus on real basketball discussions---Injuries

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

For the 5 people who want to actually discuss basketball instead of posting the same negative comments over and over again.

Diallo is out, in addition to Shaq being lost for the season and Freeman out for a few more games.

With only 1 true center, I think we will see more full and half court pressure. It could be a good thing because their were stretches when the team played well by going small, pushing the pace and try to create some turnovers that hopefully lead to easy baskets. It also plays to the strengths of Sanders, Williams, Laurent, Freeman (when he returns), Foreman to a lesser extent...and, dare, I say, Daniels.

Fatigue and foul trouble would be an issue with a short bench.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Bump

 

[RUonBrain]

So fatigue and foul trouble will be an issue, but you want to go up tempo and press.

This team cannot effectively press and cause turnovers - never have since JORDAN took over.
The other team just scores easily in transition.

My strategy would be to start practicing rebounding and boxing out, and defensive movement and player rotation.
Also, passing to the open man.
And not driving 1v3.
And let the assistant coaches help during games.

 

[ColonelRutgers]

For the 5 people who want to actually discuss basketball instead of posting the same negative comments over and over again.

Diallo is out, in addition to Shaq being lost for the season and Freeman out for a few more games.

With only 1 true center, I think we will see more full and half court pressure. It could be a good thing because their were stretches when the team played well by going small, pushing the pace and try to create some turnovers that hopefully lead to easy baskets. It also plays to the strengths of Sanders, Williams, Laurent, Freeman (when he returns), Foreman to a lesser extent...and, dare, I say, Daniels.

Fatigue and foul trouble would be an issue with a short bench.

Would also guarantee a shorter bench when Lewis picks up cheap fouls as the last man to defend the paint when the other team breaks the press. Frankly I have no clue what we're going to try to do now. Play a bunch of zone to try and protect Lewis and Foreman from picking up fouls and gonna have to force opponents to beat us from outside and live with the consequences maybe. Slow down the tempo to guard against fatigue and shorten the game? Shorter shot clock is not our friend. Best option is maybe to lobby for no shot clock and go into a 20 minute stall in each half to keep it close.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

So fatigue and foul trouble will be an issue, but you want to go up tempo and press.

This team cannot effectively press and cause turnovers - never have since JORDAN took over.
The other team just scores easily in transition.

My strategy would be to start practicing rebounding and boxing out, and defensive movement and player rotation.
Also, passing to the open man.
And not driving 1v3.
And let the assistant coaches help during games.

The bench is short on big men, not guards. When you lose two big men, half court defense is not your friend. At guard, You still have, Sanders, Williams, Daniels, Goode and Grier. On the pressure defense, your point men would need to be rotated between Foreman and Laurent, those are the two where fatigue will strike first.

The pressure this year has been the times when the defense has looked it's best. Pressure and drop back into zone. Have you watched any games this year?

I really like how you are attempting to change a discussion about tactics into another anti- Jordan thread. Go post in the other threads with the other negatives people and leave the real basketball discussion to the grownup folks....lol

 

[B1GNJHoops]

Four corners.

 

[78CollegeAve]

Run Eddie's Princeton offense. Use the full clock every possession. Clean the glass on defense by boxing out.

 

[soundcrib]

Run Eddie's Princeton offense. Use the full clock every possession. Clean the glass on defense by boxing out.

I have no idea why we don't do this.

 

[DocRU]

3 guard lineup is mandatory. Zone to protect big men. Extending pressure will only get us into more foul trouble.
On offense I would feature our best player. Let Sanders be the point in a 1-4 offense. I'll live and die with Sanders at this point. Score the ball son. You are the present and future.

 

[RUBubba]

I have no idea why we don't do this.

Plus 1.

Seriously. Make the other team work for a change.

And make the ******* foul shots!

 

[RUfan1979]

The bench is short on big men, not guards. When you lose two big men, half court defense is not your friend. At guard, You still have, Sanders, Williams, Daniels, Goode and Grier. On the pressure defense, your point men would need to be rotated between Foreman and Laurent, those are the two where fatigue will strike first.

The pressure this year has been the times when the defense has looked it's best. Pressure and drop back into zone. Have you watched any games this year?

I really like how you are attempting to change a discussion about tactics into another anti- Jordan thread. Go post in the other threads with the other negatives people and leave the real basketball discussion to the grownup folks....lol

Negative?
It's more realistic to anyone who has followed this program for decades.
We aren't close.
25 years since last NCAA appearance and going the wrong direction.
Monmouth, SHU, and NJIT are better.
No more excuses.
Time to take this seriously.
We all know what needs to be done.

 

[yanks7711]

For the 5 people who want to actually discuss basketball instead of posting the same negative comments over and over again.

Diallo is out, in addition to Shaq being lost for the season and Freeman out for a few more games.

With only 1 true center, I think we will see more full and half court pressure. It could be a good thing because their were stretches when the team played well by going small, pushing the pace and try to create some turnovers that hopefully lead to easy baskets. It also plays to the strengths of Sanders, Williams, Laurent, Freeman (when he returns), Foreman to a lesser extent...and, dare, I say, Daniels.

Fatigue and foul trouble would be an issue with a short bench.

Eddie needs to really coach them up. He has to switch defenses on every other trip, man, zone, 1/3/1 half court zone, trap out of time outs, everything to get the other team to turn it over. Since Freeman has been out we have not gone inside nor do we have anyone to finish down low. All guards better practice 3's because that is the only way to stay in games in the Big . Corey has to penetrate on pick and roll, or pick the guard on top of the zone and have Williams, Goode, Grier, Laurent ready to shoot.
On defense, all guards must rebound, DANIELS and Williams have to get 5-8 per game and Corey must get 2-5 and take off for fast breaks. Anything to get easy points. If they don't we lose by 20-30 every night !!

 

[Mr Magoo]

3 guard lineup is mandatory. Zone to protect big men. Extending pressure will only get us into more foul trouble.
On offense I would feature our best player. Let Sanders be the point in a 1-4 offense. I'll live and die with Sanders at this point. Score the ball son. You are the present and future.

True, you should probably play a zone with a short bench. However, have you seen us box out while playing a zone. It seems like we just go for the ball form the area we are in rather than finding the closest man and boxing out. You still need man principles to play an effective zone. Our zone is incredibly weak and leads to a ton of offensive rebounds. The fact that we are down another big man makes it even worse.

We should mix it up and play a zone when Goode is in the game or when/if we are in foul trouble or need to slow it down.

I think if we press, we get ripped to shreds...especially with their point guard and our short bench.

 

[ChasRC69]

Negative?
It's more realistic to anyone who has followed this program for decades.
We aren't close.
25 years since last NCAA appearance and going the wrong direction.
Monmouth, SHU, and NJIT are better.
No more excuses.
Time to take this seriously.
We all know what needs to be done.

If you want to talk about realism, here are a few points that you seem to miss, or since they don't support your argument, you just neglect them:
1. We've lost at least two games this year because we missed wide open shots. When we have wide open shots, it means something the coaches have done is correct. Coaches can't make players hit the shots, they can only teach tactics to get good shots.
2. Even though we could have won the game if our shooting percentage had been just a little better, we lost because we got killed by points in the paint. We were missing THREE FREAKIN' players who could have helped us reduce that major difference, and one of the missing players is shooting .544 from the floor. Had he been able to play, our shooting percentage would likely have been higher and the difference in points in the paint lower.
3. Monmouth beat us this year for the first time ever, so now your basketball acumen leads you to believe that they are better. The fact that they only beat us by 6 when we were missing three players and had to play part of the game with 3 players playing out of position and getting little or no rest in the second half doesn't seem to matter to you.

I don't know if Eddie is going to get it done, but to be realistic as you claim to be, you have to give him more than 1 1/2 years to do it. I don't count his first year because he walked into a mess and had nowhere near the number of scholarship players needed to compete. Last year, we were in most of the games until the very end, but ended up losing because in crunch time, players would dribble the ball off their foot or throw a pass out of bounds, or dribble into the defense and have the ball stolen, or just miss a shot. That's on the players, not the coaches. Also, our go-to guys last year were MM and KJ. MM gave us everything he had. but his height put him at a disadvantage against all the tall guards we faced, and KJ was great sometimes, nonexistent others and seemed to love to be out by the 3-point line rather than underneath where he could have helped us more. I'd give Eddie one more year to see who else he can bring in and to see how all the new players on this year's team progress.

All that being said, I've been following RU basketball since I started at RU in 1965 and think it defies belief that we haven't been to the NCAA tournament in such a long time. However, changing coaches every 2-3 years is not the answer.

 

[RUonBrain]

If you want to talk about realism, here are a few points that you seem to miss, or since they don't support your argument, you just neglect them:
1. We've lost at least two games this year because we missed wide open shots. When we have wide open shots, it means something the coaches have done is correct. Coaches can't make players hit the shots, they can only teach tactics to get good shots.
2. Even though we could have won the game if our shooting percentage had been just a little better, we lost because we got killed by points in the paint. We were missing THREE FREAKIN' players who could have helped us reduce that major difference, and one of the missing players is shooting .544 from the floor. Had he been able to play, our shooting percentage would likely have been higher and the difference in points in the paint lower.
3. Monmouth beat us this year for the first time ever, so now your basketball acumen leads you to believe that they are better. The fact that they only beat us by 6 when we were missing three players and had to play part of the game with 3 players playing out of position and getting little or no rest in the second half doesn't seem to matter to you.

All that being said, I've been following RU basketball since I started at RU in 1965 and think it defies belief that we haven't been to the NCAA tournament in such a long time. However, changing coaches every 2-3 years is not the answer.

1. "We lost 2 games because we missed wide open shots"

The game is not won or lost based on the final play of the game.
How about if we played better defense, or rebounded the ball better, THROUGHOUT THE GAME?
It wouldn't have come down to a last second shot.


2. "Killed by points in the paint"
Can we teach our guys to play team defense and how to rebound the basketball?
Oh, I forgot. "We don't teach rebounding here."


3. "Monmouth... leads you to believe that they are better"
You don't think they are a better team and program than we are right now?
Monmouth played possibly there worst game of the year, and we played one of our best (AT HOME), and we STILL LOST.


"changing coaches every 2-3 years is not the answer"
So if Hobbs determines the current coach is not the answer, we shouldn't change him because it's only been 2 or 3 years?

Ever make a bad investment?
Do you keep pouring $ into it, or do you get out?

Obviously, Hobbs will evaluate at the end of the year, but if ends as badly as some think (0-fer B1G), you still think it's full steam ahead and don't look back?

 

[shields]

Michigan State is missing one player tonight. Down by 13 to Oakland at the half.

 

[Dr. Potato]

We are real y bad. Is that real enough?