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GAME 30 Indiana: Bitchslapped but let's move on

This is too harsh and unrealistic IMO.

You are saying if we don’t beat Nebraska AND Maryland, we didn’t do enough this year?

COME ON!

No way should the fans EXPECT to beat MD.
The team has to have that mindset.
But not the fans.

Yes, technically we finished 12th
But we were tied for 10th, losing on the tie breakers.
Finishing tied with 2 other teams at 7-13 is somewhat better than having sole possession of 12th with all teams above you having a better record.

Purdue and Michigan State finished with the same record.
Both win a share of the B1G regular season.
It dodn’t go to 1 team just because they won the tie breaker.

12th our of 14 isn’t anything special. 2 wins in the B1G tourney and we make up for our disappointments
 
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My originals thoughts are about 4 programs bunched together in standings....all showed stages of growth...two have seperated themselves by elevating their play when it matters most as the season closes...two have fallen off a bit as the season winded down. Stand by everything i posted
I thought we were talking 7-13 penn state and 7-13 rutgers. Both 713 and Rutgers could have easily swept the season series.
 
This sucks- a couple of bounces the other way and we would not have to listen to the usual suspects on this board. Oh well, onto the new season on Wednesday.

The funny thing is that many here and guys like Carino expected a step back this year from last year with the loss of Corey, Mike, DeShawn and all the new faces. Even with the disappointing last two games, looking at the big picture, can you honestly say this season was a step back?
 
This sucks- a couple of bounces the other way and we would not have to listen to the usual suspects on this board. Oh well, onto the new season on Wednesday.

The funny thing is that many here and guys like Carino expected a step back this year from last year with the loss of Corey, Mike, DeShawn and all the new faces. Even with the disappointing last two games, looking at the big picture, can you honestly say this season was a step back?

I don’t think anyone is saying the total season was a step back. However, the final 2 games were a step back. There is no way to say otherwise.
The great thing is with a win Wednesday and solid showing Thursday the step back this week was just a blip on the radar . But a loss Wednesday really ends the season on a sour note . Just win Wednesday .
 
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A lot of the teams it matters more when you play them then who you are playing. Pretty much every team goes through stretches where they are hot and then struggle. If you played Nebraska early and PSU late in the season it would be so much harder than if you played PSU early and Nebraska late in the season
 
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No I am saying sometimes the ball doesn’t go in. It doesn’t mean you choked. In my experience people that are focused on choking are non athletes or chokers.

In my experience athletes and coaches tend to be the toughest critics on themselves, call things for what they are and don’t rationalize everything away.


Joe P.
 
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I don’t think anyone is saying the total season was a step back. However, the final 2 games were a step back. There is no way to say otherwise.
The great thing is with a win Wednesday and solid showing Thursday the step back this week was just a blip on the radar . But a loss Wednesday really ends the season on a sour note . Just win Wednesday .
I disagree. That is exactly what a couple of folks are saying here. I’m not concerned about it. Some can’t stomach a build.
 
This is a disappointing end to the season, especially if they lose on Wednesday, but next year may be better . Or will it? Some of us may remember the Wenzel and Gary Waters teams that never got better because they had reached their ceiling as players. Everyone waited for them to be sophomores then juniors then seniors, but they never became a very good team. Same thing with Mike Rice. His gangbusters freshman class never really got better as they got older. Has this Rutgers team the potential to get much better? Absolutely, but it remains to be seen whether they will be willing to put in the work necessary to really improve. Next year maybe a breakthrough year with a postseason berth , or it may be more of the same. Most of the other B10 teams are having a good recruiting year and will likely be better, so Rutgers will have its work cut out. Another 14 or 15 win season could be in the offing unless there are major improvements. A possible three game slide at the end of this season is not a reason for optimism.
 
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In my experience athletes and coaches tend to be the toughest critics on themselves, call things for what they are and don’t rationalize everything away.


Joe P.
Stop. You’re a fan like the rest of us no better or worse. You demanding more from afar has no impact.
 
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I disagree. That is exactly what a couple of folks are saying here. I’m not concerned about it. Some can’t stomach a build.

It seems like you have a defeatist attitude and are expecting a devestating loss Wednesday .
 
This is a disappointing end to the season, especially if they lose on Wednesday, but next year may be better or may not. Some of us may remember the Wenzel teams that never got better because they had reached their ceiling as players. Everyone waited for them to be sophomores then juniors then seniors, but they never became a very good team. Same thing with Mike Rice. His gangbusters freshman class never really got better as they got older. Has this Rutgers team the potential to get much better? Absolutely, but it remains to be seen whether they will be willing to put in the work necessary to really improve. Next year maybe a breakthrough year with a postseason berth , or it may be more of the same. Most of the other B10 teams are having a good recruiting year and will likely be better, so Rutgers will have its work cut out. Another 14 or 15 win season could be in the offing unless there are major improvements.
A few points though: Wenzel was not the best or most committed recruiter and guys like Bannon and Rice imploded on themselves because of serious character flaws. No one knows what the future holds and this league is a bear, but as I view it now, this build feels much different.
 
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I thought we were talking 7-13 penn state and 7-13 rutgers. Both 713 and Rutgers could have easily swept the season series.

But they didnt...they let PSU smack a 20 point lead at them at home...comeback meant nothing when you dont win

Ru should never been that horrid to be down that much. It wasnt about not making a shot at the end..the game was lost in the first half.

One team is clearly playing better right now...pretty simple so not sure why the petty arguing. Penn State not only beat RU in this stretch but Michigan and Maryland as well.
 
Stop. You’re a fan like the rest of us no better or worse. You demanding more from afar has no impact.

What am I ‘demanding’ here besides I’d like to see us play more consistent?


Joe P.
 
It seems like you have a defeatist attitude and are expecting a devestating loss Wednesday .
Where the hell do you get that? Never said that. You have no clue and no perspective on things. You just enjoy wallowing in negativity. Have fun with your woe is us mentality.
 
But they didnt...they let PSU smack a 20 point lead at them at home...comeback meant nothing when you dont win

Ru should never been that horrid to be down that much. It wasnt about not making a shot at the end..the game was lost in the first half.

One team is clearly playing better right now...pretty simple so not sure why the petty arguing. Penn State not only beat RU in this stretch but Michigan and Maryland as well.

We also missed like 3 shots in the last 10 seconds in the PSU game and had one blocked. It wasn’t just a ‘shot not falling’. A shot doesn’t fall? Yeah, I get that...but missing 2-3 shots then getting blocked, at home, against a big rival?


Joe P.
 
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But they didnt...they let PSU smack a 20 point lead at them at home...comeback meant nothing when you dont win

Ru should never been that horrid to be down that much. It wasnt about not making a shot at the end..the game was lost in the first half.

One team is clearly playing better right now...pretty simple so not sure why the petty arguing. Penn State not only beat RU in this stretch but Michigan and Maryland as well.
So wait. Aren’t we better because we dominated the second half. Your theory is based on the odd chance that a last second shot didn’t go in. Based on the second half we are clearly better. You’re presumption is based on a 50/50 chance outcome.
 
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Do you think every time you miss a shot it is because you choked?

I’m a fairly lousy offensive (and subpar overall) b-ball player so if that’s the criteria then I’m dead. Missing a shot? No. Missing 2-3 inside of 10 seconds in a big spot against a big rival at home when the pressure’s on? Yeahp, choked. I also think we choked big-time against PSU in football in 2014.


Joe P.
 
I’m a fairly lousy offensive b-ball player so if that’s the criteria then I’m dead. Missing a shot? No. Missing 2-3 inside of 10 seconds in a big spot against a big rival at home when the pressure’s on? Yeahp, choked. I also think we choked big-time against PSU in football in 2014.


Joe P.
Well I might agree on 2014 lol. But a frenetic finish of a basketball game. No sorry don’t agree. And saying it’s a choke imo is unfair to the athletes involved. I get the frustration. Blaming it on a choke is imo lashing out with little understanding of the moment. No offense intended
 
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So wait. Aren’t we better because we dominated the second half. Your theory is based on the odd chance that a last second shot didn’t go in. Based on the second half we are clearly better. You’re presumption is based on a 50/50 chance outcome.

Did we win..sorry i missed the final score

Results matter..ru came out like crap and it cost them the game
 
Well I might agree on 2014 lol. But a frenetic finish of a basketball game. No sorry don’t agree. And saying it’s a choke imo is unfair to the athletes involved. I get the frustration. Blaming it on a choke is imo lashing out with little understanding of the moment. No offense intended

I don’t say it as a condemnation of the team or their character. They’re young and hopefully they’ll learn, but IMO the moment was ‘too big’ for them right now. I’m more upset over today’s game because it seems like most times we lose the way we did against PSU, you can almost set your watch to us no-showing the next game (multiple sports)...then again, this is a young squad and younger teams IMO are more prone to bigger ‘ups and downs’. I did give the ‘14 football squad credit for beating Navy the week after PSU, though I also think it being a senior-heavy team helped.


Joe P.
 
Where the hell do you get that? Never said that. You have no clue and no perspective on things. You just enjoy wallowing in negativity. Have fun with your woe is us mentality.

I have no perspective on things? I will tell you how it is. We made some nice strides this season, but we have also had some bad moments . Things are looking up for the future . But also be careful on what we can expect for the future . We still finished 12th and there is a possibility we get bounced from the conference tourney early Wednesday before it really even gets started.
College basketball is fickle and this team is closer to the basement than the upper echelon of the league . If we have a rough stretch next year or just one serious injury we are back at the bottom .
 
I don’t say it as a condemnation of the team or their character. They’re young and hopefully they’ll learn, but IMO the moment was ‘too big’ for them right now. I’m more upset over today’s game because it seems like most times we lose the way we did against PSU, you can almost set your watch to us no-showing the next game (multiple sports)...then again, this is a young squad and younger teams IMO are more prone to bigger ‘ups and downs’. I did give the ‘14 football squad credit for beating Navy the week after PSU, though I also think it being a senior-heavy team helped.


Joe P.
What does other sports have to do with the basketball team?
 
Just Pike managing expectations. It’s the RU dance, one step forward and two steps back. Good news is that we didn’t finish last. That’s progress.
 
What does other sports have to do with the basketball team?

More anecdotal than anything but over the years in football/ basketball when we lose a big, close game it seems like 8 out of 10 times we’re a mental no-show the next game .


Joe P.
 
More anecdotal than anything but over the years in football/ basketball when we lose a big, close game it seems like 8 out of 10 times we’re a mental no-show the next game .


Joe P.
Sure. But you understand that has nothing to do with the basketball team right?
 
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Sorry to say.....the season ended last night.

Not expecting much on Wednesday.

Very surprised no ones analysis even referenced Issa.
 
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This is a disappointing end to the season, especially if they lose on Wednesday, but next year may be better . Or will it? Some of us may remember the Wenzel and Gary Waters teams that never got better because they had reached their ceiling as players. Everyone waited for them to be sophomores then juniors then seniors, but they never became a very good team. Same thing with Mike Rice. His gangbusters freshman class never really got better as they got older. Has this Rutgers team the potential to get much better? Absolutely, but it remains to be seen whether they will be willing to put in the work necessary to really improve. Next year maybe a breakthrough year with a postseason berth , or it may be more of the same. Most of the other B10 teams are having a good recruiting year and will likely be better, so Rutgers will have its work cut out. Another 14 or 15 win season could be in the offing unless there are major improvements. A possible three game slide at the end of this season is not a reason for optimism.
The issue with Rutgers is actually achieving a winning season instead of talking about what might happen in the near future .Past history hasn't been kind to Rutgers in regard to losing seasons and years without one NCAA bid..
 
I have no perspective on things? I will tell you how it is. We made some nice strides this season, but we have also had some bad moments . Things are looking up for the future . But also be careful on what we can expect for the future . We still finished 12th and there is a possibility we get bounced from the conference tourney early Wednesday before it really even gets started.
College basketball is fickle and this team is closer to the basement than the upper echelon of the league . If we have a rough stretch next year or just one serious injury we are back at the bottom .
I think you are the one projecting a defeatist attitude in this case. Don’t lay that at my doorstep.
 
I think you are the one projecting a defeatist attitude in this case. Don’t lay that at my doorstep.

Ok let’s just win Wednesday so we can drop this conversation. The destiny is in our team’s hands. They will either conquer or disappoint .
 
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