Hayden Rettig

[chase07470]

BS on the "secret reason." If he's eligible to play and on the team then there is no reason why he shouldn't actually play. We've now gone through four QB's, across 16 quarters of B1G play and have exactly two TD's. Time to put in Rettig. The offense has to have the capability of throwing deep, scoring from anywhere and it doesn't, hasn't and won't, until that kid plays.

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

I don't get the "playing for the future" idea of running an offense the team is not ready for now.

Agreed. Coaches and posters here claim we are playing/should play the QB who gives us the best chance to win. Ash repeated the mantra yesterday. Did they or anyone believe CL gives us the best chance to win right up until they inserted Gio yesterday? If so, they are poor judges of talent. Don't have to be a D1 coach to evaluate QB talent.

In contradiction to the mantra, the "best chance to win" philosophy apparently does not apply to the playbook. Are we playing the style that gives us the best chance to win now? Or are we playing a style that can attract the right personnel for the future?

Coaches need to find a satisfactory balance between winning today and building for the future. So far, not so good.

 

[RUtix4me]

Nothing like that nor is it an injury issue. It's something that I don't think he nor his family would appreciate being talked about on the internet.

Rettig is not playing quarterback for this team. People just need to accept it. It has nothing to do with any coach's incompetence.

Basically you are making it seem like he has a learning disability. If the family doesn't want it on the internet, then you probably just went against their wishes playing I know something you don't.

His attitude is fantastic, so its either illness or inabilty to learn concepts...it is certainly not his arm

 

[RUinPAC10land]

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[vm7118]

same. whatever it is, rumors and innuendo aren't helping anyone. and if the guy is truly incapable of being our QB, whatever the reason, why is he taking up a scholarship?

 

[scarletcrew]

Basically you are making it seem like he has a learning disability. If the family doesn't want it on the internet, then you probably just went against their wishes playing I know something you don't.

His attitude is fantastic, so its either illness or inabilty to learn concepts...it is certainly not his arm

Stop. He was academic all big ten.
2015 (Redshirt Sophomore): Played in five games with one start at quarterback ... one of 22 in the program named Academic All-Big Ten (12/9) ...

http://www.scarletknights.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/hayden_rettig_922988.html

 

[RUbacker]

I have but you do realize that I am not the only one who feels this way. If this bothers you, you need to get over it too because if it's not me, it will be many others. Flood and Ash are both lost as their records indicate.

Does not bother me one bit. I don't know the reason he never plays but I trust 3 different staffs that were and are there to make that determination. You need to stop your boy crush on rettig and move on.

 

[ATIOH]

For some reason, posters like to act like they've got Subway-level inside info on every aspect of the program. Take it with a grain of salt.

The same posters definitively said Carroo will never play another down of football at any level, based on their inside info. And they put out the same teasers like they're doing with Rettig in this thread.

"Oh, I'm too much of a gentleman to say why HR isn't on the field, but if you knew it would blow your mind. If you only knew! But I'm too polite to put out something soooo terrible."

 

[Saint Puppy]

Who cares - whatever it is you now have 3 different coaching staffs who are not high on him. If he was better than any of the other options he'd be playing. If he is in fact better than everyone, but there is a 'secret reason' he's not playing is something personal then that just doesn't make any sense. So the 'secret reason' doesn't allow him to get him on the field, yet allows him to still stay with the team as a scholarship player because....??????? He's our 4th string QB - the only place he gets a lot of play is on these never ending threads about him being some Messiah for us - Move On!

 

[ho26rus]

Does not bother me one bit. I don't know the reason he never plays but I trust 3 different staffs that were and are there to make that determination. You need to stop your boy crush on rettig and move on.

DPerhaps consider when cam cameron came and he went to a spread he was never going to see the field .
Hey very similar to Mehringer here. Its simply not in his best interest to have a non running qb succeed. Or for that matter a player from the past failed program
Now we center on the offensive guru Flood who is crucified universally for his lack of judgement to be the arbitor of Rettgs abilities. You may remember Chris was very well liked, Kyle was insecure, as is Drew now so they take the path of least resistance

As to Mehringer he is a one trick pony and if ""'' his offense fails""'' he is probably unhirable. So in essence the choice is find the player who gives your offense the best chance of making you look better not the best player regardless of schemes

my opinion anyway and the doghouse here is very deep

 

[jtung230]

He just doesn't fit this offense. He has the best arm and probably is the best pure passer. Gio seems to have the right balance and let's hope he can step up. Rettig seems like a great kid who is a team player.

 

[RURahh]

jtung230 is absolutely right. The best pure passer doesn't always make the best QB. There is no doubt that Rettig is a great teammate but we have heard for 2 years that he can't learn the playbook or cannot lead the team in and out of huddles. Obviously, his mobility is an issue for this style of offense, and if he was that great, the staff would be doing themselves a dis-service by not dumbing down the playbook for him. Academic. IQ and football IQ are very different.

I truly hope he graduates early and can transfer to a program that is suited to him and he gets a year to play, it just won't be here

 

[knightfan7]

same. whatever it is, rumors and innuendo aren't helping anyone. and if the guy is truly incapable of being our QB, whatever the reason, why is he taking up a scholarship?

Maybe because he's a good teammate and a good overall kid. There's nothing to say he will be next year.

 

[NickKnight 1]

Nope. Not even close.
He is the first one congratulating teammates, and he ran on the field to check on Denman when he was hurt.

You are correct, he also warms up Laviano when the defense is on the field.
I have notice he has been very active on the sidelines for the last two
years. I wish these critics could meet him in person and see what a
great person he is. I've talked with him and seems like a great guy.

 

[MADHAT1]

I'd give Rettig a shot if Gio proves incapable.
Or use Hayden in a trick formation where he's in just to pass the ball in 3rd and long situations because all the QBs have proved that aren't able to convert 3rd and long constantly .

Call it the Passing Hayden formation and only use it in obvious passing situations that
need more than 19 yards for a first down.

 

[RUforester72]

GR>HR

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

GR>HR

Is GR more accurate than HR?

 

[RMSko]

So we have a situation where there's something going on that a family would not want publicized. Yet by saying there is a secret reason, we now have an entire thread dedicated to the topic - yeesh.

Anyway, my gut tells me that whatever the reason is, Rettig himself is comfortable with it. I have no idea what it is, but HR continues to have a great attitude and be a great teammate, which are not signs of a disgruntled man.

 

[RUforester72]

Is GR more accurate than HR?

With his arm or his feet or his ability to read a defense?

 

[MADHAT1]

Hayden will be a grad transfer after this season is completed.
I believe if he transferred this season he'd have to pay his own way wherever he went and still have to sit and use a year of eligibility doing it.
He'll get his degree this way, still be on scholarship and be able to be a Grad Transfer going to any school he wants with one year eligibility left.

Rettig might not be playing, but he's not a good fit for Mehringer's system and isn't being treated unfairly.

 

[coldsprings]

Hayden will be a grad transfer after this season is completed.
I believe if he transferred this season he'd have to pay his own way wherever he went and still have to sit and use a year of eligibility doing it.
He'll get his degree this way, still be on scholarship and be able to be a Grad Transfer going to any school he wants with one year eligibility left.

Rettig might not be playing, but he's not a good fit for Mehringer's system and isn't being treated unfairly.

Mehringer's system? Rutgers is last in the nation in offense. Why does his "system" trump the players he has this year?. You play your system when you get your players not before.

Did you hear about the recent sacking of the Lands' End CEO. She wanted to make Lands' End into a high fashion company. Sales plummeted and customers fled.

 

[ru-baby]

The idea that a quarterback who can throw the ball can't be fit into this vaunted mehringer system is laughable . Its called coaching and that includes tailoring your system to the best talent at hand.

And one more time- shame on the two posters here who disparage one who wears the scarlet respectfully by creating negative inferences to try to show inside knowledge, which if they have, they have used in a harmful way.

 

[jellyman]

Sigh ... There are many things about a team, and individual players that are, and should, stay private. Just because someone is a fan, or even a donor, does not mean that fan or donor has a "right" to know these private things. And frankly, anonymous message board posters have even fewer rights to know these private things.

Sometimes it is simply none of your business unless RU and/or individual players choose to make certain things public. For the life of me, I cannot understand why people do not get that.

Many people, from multiple sources, many times, dating back to August or even September of LAST season (2015) have tried to gently hint there is more going on than is public, than meets the eye, or than even SHOULD be public.

With that said, from what I have heard, it has nothing to do with Rettig's raw intelligence or academic ability, both of which seem to be excellent. Nor does it have anything to do with attitude, as by all accounts Rettig is very responsive to coaches. Nor does it have to do with effort, as I have never heard work ethic is an issue. Nor does it have to do with his likability, as best I can tell. And by ALL accounts Rettig really likes being at RU.

I would really just recommend all those who keep harping on Rettig to be the starting QB for RU to JUST ... LET ... IT ... GO ... Though I suppose you never say never, it would seem to be a very remote chance at this stage.

If you have a complaint about the QB situation (not unfair to have these complaints), then focus on Laviano versus Gio vs Allen vs Oden.

Please.

 

[RU4Real]

The idea that a quarterback who can throw the ball can't be fit into this vaunted mehringer system is laughable . Its called coaching and that includes tailoring your system to the best talent at hand.

And one more time- shame on the two posters here who disparage one who wears the scarlet respectfully by creating negative inferences to try to show inside knowledge, which if they have, they have used in a harmful way.

Some of you guys are funny.

The only people who have "disparaged" Rettig in this thread are the people who are speculating about why he's not starting.

Simple fact - a few people (actually, probably more than "a few") have been told what the deal is.

Nobody said any more than that.

For all you know, he's not playing because he's too sexy for his shirt.

 

[ru-baby]

Sigh ... There are many things about a team, and individual players that are, and should, stay private. Just because someone is a fan, or even a donor, does not mean that fan or donor has a "right" to know these private things. And frankly, anonymous message board posters have even fewer rights to know these private things.

Jelly good points. It should have ended there. Some like above just dont get it and the attempts to deflect from or defend as inoccuous what was done in this thread only draws more attention to the unfortunate posts.

 

[Phi_1055]

For some reason, posters like to act like they've got Subway-level inside info on every aspect of the program. Take it with a grain of salt.

The same posters definitively said Carroo will never play another down of football at any level, based on their inside info. And they put out the same teasers like they're doing with Rettig in this thread.

"Oh, I'm too much of a gentleman to say why HR isn't on the field, but if you knew it would blow your mind. If you only knew! But I'm too polite to put out something soooo terrible."

So true.

 

[ngrant]

Sounds like its a 'tude thing.

When Denman got hurt the blond guy was one of the first to go out on the field to show his concern.

 

[RUinPAC10land]

Does not bother me one bit. I don't know the reason he never plays but I trust 3 different staffs that were and are there to make that determination. You need to stop your boy crush on rettig and move on.

How old are you? It's obviously bothering you because you have to resort to 3rd grade name calling. Once again, I have moved on and Rettig not being the starter is not going to make me lose any sleep at night. However, I feel that he can be a more effective QB for this team than any other QB on this team. If you disagree and trust the track record of an incompetent coaching staff (Flood) and one that is learning on the job (Ash), good for you.

EDIT: BTW, congratulations on using a kid's true freshman year as your other argument.

 

[chase07470]

Would love to let it go. But it's impossible with 14 points in 16 quarters. Pure passing scores TD's. Always has, always will.

 

[gef21]

Ill say again what I saw from Rettig when I attended practices and such.

I saw a great kid who can muscle the ball anywhere but had serious touch issues on anything short. He had happy feet and didnt seem to go to check downs confidentially. He also seemed confused on knowing the plays.

He had an exceptionally strong arm and could sling it but could not necessarily control it.

 

[RU2055]

Hayden will be a grad transfer after this season is completed.
I believe if he transferred this season he'd have to pay his own way wherever he went and still have to sit and use a year of eligibility doing it.
He'll get his degree this way, still be on scholarship and be able to be a Grad Transfer going to any school he wants with one year eligibility left.

Rettig might not be playing, but he's not a good fit for Mehringer's system and isn't being treated unfairly.

Graduating in December

 

[RU4Real]

Ill say again what I saw from Rettig when I attended practices and such.

I saw a great kid who can muscle the ball anywhere but had serious touch issues on anything short. He had happy feet and didnt seem to go to check downs confidentially. He also seemed confused on knowing the plays.

He had an exceptionally strong arm and could sling it but could not necessarily control it.

And this is exactly where the subject should be left. Thanks, coach.

 

[Phi_1055]

And this is exactly where the subject should be left. Thanks, coach.

Then you should have done exactly that. Not quoted it with bold type in order to draw everyone's attention to it and yourself.

 

[kupuna133]

Ill say again what I saw from Rettig when I attended practices and such.

I saw a great kid who can muscle the ball anywhere but had serious touch issues on anything short. He had happy feet and didnt seem to go to check downs confidentially. He also seemed confused on knowing the plays.

He had an exceptionally strong arm and could sling it but could not necessarily control it.

I saw similar things. Strong arm can make all the throws but always wants to use his weapon. Would push for a longer throw when the underneath route was open. Can't say I do not see that from many QB's. They all get locked onto primary receiver and panic when that is taken away.

As per the happy feet comment all of the QB's had happy feet in the practices I was present. It was like they were teaching the kids not to stand tall in the pocket.

In one practice in particular Rettig was yelled at for audibling. When he relayed to the coaches his pre snap read McDaniels yelled back that he was correct but run the damn play.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

Sigh ... There are many things about a team, and individual players that are, and should, stay private. Just because someone is a fan, or even a donor, does not mean that fan or donor has a "right" to know these private things. And frankly, anonymous message board posters have even fewer rights to know these private things.

Sometimes it is simply none of your business unless RU and/or individual players choose to make certain things public. For the life of me, I cannot understand why people do not get that.

Many people, from multiple sources, many times, dating back to August or even September of LAST season (2015) have tried to gently hint there is more going on than is public, than meets the eye, or than even SHOULD be public.

With that said, from what I have heard, it has nothing to do with Rettig's raw intelligence or academic ability, both of which seem to be excellent. Nor does it have anything to do with attitude, as by all accounts Rettig is very responsive to coaches. Nor does it have to do with effort, as I have never heard work ethic is an issue. Nor does it have to do with his likability, as best I can tell. And by ALL accounts Rettig really likes being at RU.

I would really just recommend all those who keep harping on Rettig to be the starting QB for RU to JUST ... LET ... IT ... GO ... Though I suppose you never say never, it would seem to be a very remote chance at this stage.

If you have a complaint about the QB situation (not unfair to have these complaints), then focus on Laviano versus Gio vs Allen vs Oden.

Please.

well said!

 

[gef21]

I saw similar things. Strong arm can make all the throws but always wants to use his weapon. Would push for a longer throw when the underneath route was open. Can't say I do not see that from many QB's. They all get locked onto primary receiver and panic when that is taken away.

As per the happy feet comment all of the QB's had happy feet in the practices I was present. It was like they were teaching the kids not to stand tall in the pocket.

In one practice in particular Rettig was yelled at for audibling. When he relayed to the coaches his pre snap read McDaniels yelled back that he was correct but run the damn play.

I completely agree that all of our QBs have happy feet. Our QB mechanics have bothered me since Chas Dodd.

 

[imbazza2]

Ill say again what I saw from Rettig when I attended practices and such.

I saw a great kid who can muscle the ball anywhere but had serious touch issues on anything short. He had happy feet and didnt seem to go to check downs confidentially. He also seemed confused on knowing the plays.
He had an exceptionally strong arm and could sling it but could not necessarily control it.[/QUOTE]

Agree with your assessment Last year with the flood's warm up program they would have the QBs stand at the 40 yard line and pass into the end zone. HR would throw rockets but was inaccurate.

Now on to a major intangible as mentioned he is an honor student. In my 50 years of knowing the game one of the biggest handicaps.... to success... is thinking too much especially the QB. even a heartbeat of a hesitation is a shortcoming.

this in a nutshell compounded with hard inaccurate passes would drop him down the depth chart.

the staff's lively hood is based on wins. they need every chance to keep their jobs, so the best player get the start and that is how it should be. So let the coaches decide as they are waging anywhere from $250,000 to $1,00,000 and their JOBS and for us, just our idle time and emotion

 

[willisneverrana43]

Ill say again what I saw from Rettig when I attended practices and such.

I saw a great kid who can muscle the ball anywhere but had serious touch issues on anything short. He had happy feet and didnt seem to go to check downs confidentially. He also seemed confused on knowing the plays.

He had an exceptionally strong arm and could sling it but could not necessarily control it.

Somehow strong arm has morphed into pure passer. The two things are very different. Anyone who's seen him throw a ball once knows that he has a strong arm. You have to see a lot more -- a lot -- to determine whether he truly has all the many other skills to be a QB. No one on here has seen that.

 

[Knight Shift]

I completely agree that all of our QBs have happy feet. Our QB mechanics have bothered me since Chas Dodd.

Ahh, Chas Dodd. Kid had moxie! And he spawned the Subway meme on Scarlet Nation. Kid was a baller.

One of the writers, Pelzmann, said this about Gio:
Rescigno showed moxie and leadership in the second half Saturday against Illinois, and the dual-threat QB from Michigan actually fits the power spread offense."

 

[gef21]

Ahh, Chas Dodd. Kid had moxie! And he spawned the Subway meme on Scarlet Nation. Kid was a baller.

One of the writers, Pelzmann, said this about Gio:
Rescigno showed moxie and leadership in the second half Saturday against Illinois, and the dual-threat QB from Michigan actually fits the power spread offense."

The best thing about dodd, was that as he scrambled his eyes were always up. He made a tremendous number of plays, on the run, because he kept his eyes up and shoulders square.