Ash reminds me of Dick Anderson in terms of personality and Terry Shea in terms of recruiting capabilities. Let’s that cross sink in Rutgers fans!He sucks as a coach. Sadly, his recruiting is worse.
Deadly combination.
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Ash reminds me of Dick Anderson in terms of personality and Terry Shea in terms of recruiting capabilities. Let’s that cross sink in Rutgers fans!He sucks as a coach. Sadly, his recruiting is worse.
Deadly combination.
If your goal is winning the B1G East I believe you are setting yourself up for a lifetime of disappointment. I am interested in a coach that can consistently win 6-9 games per year. Schiano didn't win one outright conference championship, yet he is a god to many on this board.
Try using some reading comprehension and reading the whole thread. I was in a hurry when I responded. Cali mentioned above a 4 year rebuild for the next coach and a total overhaul. I could have quoted his post too, but I did not. THAT is also what I was referring to in addition to the OP.
The OP was a stupid collection of a lot of information that has no meaning. The major takeaway is 46% of our current recruiting class do not have P5 offers. Yeah, that is not great, but peers in the B1G have done more with less--that is the point.
Our highest rated recruit falls into the category of no P5 offers. Some on this board are transfixed on star ratings. Instead of acknowledging that we have a highly rated recruit by the rating services, our resident curmudgeons will find a way to criticize and diminish the recruit. It's what our fans love to do.
I am not defending Ash or saying the recruiting class is great. It's not. But it is not a total disaster either. The right coach could work with the current roster and the 2019 class and get us to 5-7 or 6-6 in year 1.
Seems a detailed discussion is a little too nuanced for you. You prefer to hurl insults and call names. The mentality of some on this board sucks right now. I get people not being happy about Ash coming back. But there is nothing we can do about it. Crying and whining about everything wrong with the program isn't improving the situation either. Some of us prefer to see the brighter side, something some people here never seem to see.
This should be a must read for those that think keeping Ash was the right move.But hey, their the same who think his job security wasn't hurting recruiting.Same group that would drink the Kool Aid when Big Bob's job was in danger, when Pernitti's was, when Flood's was,when Julie's was and now Ash's,unreal.Of all mentioned, I loved Big Bob, but he did let the basketball program and the RAC wither and die on the vine.
Relax. We're going to recruit hard this year.
Sofa King what.
A closer look at Northwestern's classes reveals about 25% of their classes having no other P5 offers and about 50% with offers from NW and only Indiana and/or Illinois. Seems to have really hurt them.
Fitz' 2006 class sucked, ranked at #81. Yet in 2008, NW went 9-4/5-3.
Purdue's 2014-17 classes were ranked 71, 68, 73 and 68 before Brohm took over.
David Blough's only other offer was Memphis. Seems to have hurt them immensely.
DJ Knox was a 2 star recruit with no other offers, and he rushed for 868 yards this year.
Blackshear was a 2 star and lightly recruited.
Melton, Lewis, and Oden had long P5 offer lists--how did/are they working out?
Try harder, OP.
He sucks as a coach. Sadly, his recruiting is worse.
Deadly combination.
Not sure this has any real meaning for current class. Like with all data you need context else it’s just spin. That’s the problem in America today. 98% of folks can’t think context so essentially they are clueless. Anyhow not disputing the numbers, but it’s meaningless unless you see factors such whether we were first to offer, where other schools are on their offers and the commitability of those offers. For example, Penn St right now is focusing their offered on elite 4-5 star talent. We can’t because we won’t be taken seriously. We are building relationships with next tier. These will be kids Penn St will go after next if their elite targets don't pan out. Without the early relationships Rutgers doesn’t have a chance and this board turns to whining about “why didn’t we offer.”Some Ash apologists suggested in another thread that recruiting isn't as bad as people are saying..... so to see the truth, I went ahead and aggregated all of the offers of our current verbal commitments are for 2019 under Chris Ash.
Main findings:
46% of our current class doesn't have a single offer from another P5 School
Our main recruiting peers (who we are competing with for our recruits) are Temple, UMass, and Buffalo
How the f*ck can you keep Ash after a 1-11 season and this kind of recruiting????? Its mind-boggling
Raw data of our recruits offer lists below, draw your own conclusions
FREQUENCY SCHOOL
7 Temple
6 UMass
6 Buffalo
5 Kent State
5 Maryland
4 UConn
3 Boston College
3 Syracuse
3 Fordham
3 Old Dominion
2 Morgan State
2 Pittsburgh
2 West Virginia
2 Army
2 Duke
2 Rice
2 Georgia Tech
2 Virginia
2 Cincinnati
2 UCF
2 Wake Forest
1 Towson
1 Eastern Michigan
1 Ohio
1 Robert Morris
1 Western Michigan
1 Lafayette
1 Maine
1 New Hampshire
1 North Carolina
1 NC State
1 New Mexico
1 Akron
1 Ball State
1 Bowling Green
1 Eastern Kentucky
1 Miami-OH
1 Toledo
1 Youngstown State
1 Miami
1 Missouri
1 Bryant
1 Brown
1 Central Michigan
1 Georgetown
1 Pittsburgh
1 Rhode Island
1 Wisconsin
Your conclusion appears to be that our recruits stink, they don't get offers from P5 schools. So making a list of schools that offer these kids actually just adds a layer of complexity.Anyone have a list of the commit list changes for 2019, (since before early signing day) i think this offer list is even worse now with some of those who didn't make it yet like wise, ugwu
Some Ash apologists suggested in another thread that recruiting isn't as bad as people are saying..... so to see the truth, I went ahead and aggregated all of the offers of our current verbal commitments are for 2019 under Chris Ash.
Main findings:
46% of our current class doesn't have a single offer from another P5 School
Our main recruiting peers (who we are competing with for our recruits) are Temple, UMass, and Buffalo
How the f*ck can you keep Ash after a 1-11 season and this kind of recruiting????? Its mind-boggling
Raw data of our recruits offer lists below, draw your own conclusions
FREQUENCY SCHOOL
7 Temple
6 UMass
6 Buffalo
5 Kent State
5 Maryland
4 UConn
3 Boston College
3 Syracuse
3 Fordham
3 Old Dominion
2 Morgan State
2 Pittsburgh
2 West Virginia
2 Army
2 Duke
2 Rice
2 Georgia Tech
2 Virginia
2 Cincinnati
2 UCF
2 Wake Forest
1 Towson
1 Eastern Michigan
1 Ohio
1 Robert Morris
1 Western Michigan
1 Lafayette
1 Maine
1 New Hampshire
1 North Carolina
1 NC State
1 New Mexico
1 Akron
1 Ball State
1 Bowling Green
1 Eastern Kentucky
1 Miami-OH
1 Toledo
1 Youngstown State
1 Miami
1 Missouri
1 Bryant
1 Brown
1 Central Michigan
1 Georgetown
1 Pittsburgh
1 Rhode Island
1 Wisconsin
We didnt offer anybody with an Ohio State or Michigan offer? Doesnt sound correct