No that's what community colleges are for and once you've proven you can do the work you transfer to the better university.
Hispanics and Blacks protest to get into Univ of Cal Berkerly
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I never said final value was pre-college. Final value is final value. Where you start has no bearing. It makes for a great story but as far as aptitude goes, it's worthless. It's basically rewarding potential over actual better results. It makes no sense.
And most college graduates understand second derivatives. Don't be obtuse.
STOP
We have goals to accomplish as fan base, left, right, black, white or anything else.
Keep this on the CE board until he is gone.
Let's be united on this.
We have goals to accomplish as fan base, left, right, black, white or anything else.
Keep this on the CE board until he is gone.
Let's be united on this.
Can we not do two things at once? Does discussing student protests make people forget how they feel about Flood? Do you think this decision will be based upon how many fire Flood threads we have?
this will happen to, I am convinced of it. It will be argued that they live here and work and spend money the should have the right to vote. The white liberals will feel so much guilt and shame they will make it so
Wow....I wonder how our team of mostly black and some Hispanic student-athletes would feel about some of the sentiments expressed in this thread. Some of you so called fans root for these players on saturdays but beside that most of them are inept, uneducated, products of affirmative action losers who should be taking remedial classes at Middlesex County College...but hey as long as Leonte or Janarion scores that TD then its all good! :rolleyes:
Well they shouldn't be in college if they can't get in based on academic credentials (there should be some leeway for extracurriculars like FB obviously but it shouldn't be significant). Pure and simple. The whole CFB and BB system bastardizes the entire academic system. It makes a mockery out of it. But no one cares and just looks the other way because it mints money for universities. It doesn't make it right.
It is a rare day that 85% of people on this board agree on anything. Maybe we can but how about channeling it. If you right wing guys put your arguments into the admin instead of fighting the few liberals who still will argue with you, we would make a lot of progress.
Flood is welfare queen, a waste of government resources, you betcha, a new coach would build a wall around the State of Rutgers and make James Franklin pay for it.
Floodies are bringing lies. They are bringing nonsense. They're losers. Some of them, I'm sure are good people.
If Hillary doesn't read the Flood academic advisor report and change her mind on him, she is heartless.
Time to bring the Flood error to the death panel.
#MakeRutgersGreatAgain #GregCanFixIt
Those two statements are something of a non sequitur; you do not need the best students to give the best education. In any event, the UC mission statement is broader
http://www.ucop.edu/uc-mission/index.html
Where does this 85% figure come from? I can only think of 3 people here that don't think he should be relieved of his job duties.
Surrounding yourself with the best challenges you to up your game. It is a proven fact. Not to mention group assignments and projects become that much better.
I agree academics should always be the priority then sports but the world we live in is that money rules and colleges make a killing off of being known as a powerhouse in sports rather than academics (besides the Ivies).
The 13% in question is fans from other schools who want him in the position for obvious reason.
typical response filled with lies about what was said but its okay post it on twitter and what you just said will be taken as truth
All I know is I'm gonna sneak out of this country one night and then sneak back in 2 days later with a foreign sounding name and take in all that is given to me free . I got it made.
Why leave the country? Have a friend who changed her last name to her grandmother's Latin sounding maiden name. Voila, her average test scores secured a seat into Northwestern's med school. Today she is a doctor.
If you system is unfair, make it fair I say.
To all of us who bash affirmative action - white applicants have been getting preferential admission to elite colleges (particularly the Ivies) for years at the expense of Asian applicants with better academic credentials. The voters of California eliminated race-based admissions. The result was that both white and black admission rates into UC Berkeley and UCLA went down while Asian admission rates shot up.
Yes, affirmative action is messed up in principle. However, wasn't it put in place the counter the institutional racism that kept qualified candidates out? The problem is, the years of institutional racism kept generations of minorities behind.
In a perfect world the merit argument makes sense. However, the world is not free of racism and discrimination. Take your example with poor whites. Say you have a poor white and poor black person with equal talents applying for the same job circa 1950. Who gets the job?
So what?
This doesn't help. Put everyone on an equal footing. Right now affirmative action is reverse racism to whites, east-asians, south-asians, middle easterners etc. It is still a racist practice. Substituting one racist practice for another doesn't make anything right. It is still wrong and disgusting. I can't believe so many are trying to justify this. It is wrong. Period.
Affirmative action should have been a temporary stopgap measure rather than becoming an institutionalized mess of its own.
It's effed up, I know... But the grandchildren of those 1950s folks are affected by their grandparents' achievements. That's effed up too. It's like saying "Sure I have a 3 generation head start on you, but we are on equal footing"
What makes a bunch of people with no connection to the university of Missouri, or UC berkeley, who don't live in those states, think they have a right to dictate admission policy? People need to mind their own business a little more.
True but in some respect it still is. Some of the same shit that went on then is still going on now.
It's 2015. The black guy.
BTW do you really think there is one tiny bit of racial discrimination in any college admissions office? There isn't.
I spent 30 minutes on the phone yesterday with one of the people from the major donor office. I discussed my displeasure, explained my concerns, and laid out financially how their decision will alter my commitment. What did you do?
This is the question you people should be asking yourselves to test your philosophical principles: Should a rich black kid from a private high school get preferential treatment in college selection over a poor white kid from a tough background?
But we like to discuss class even less than race in america. If you bring up the subject you tend to get accused of "class warfare" and communism.
Perhaps, but it's less troubling than legislating into law a false notion that blacks cannot be held to the same standards as the rest of the people. I believe they are every bit as capable as anyone else. Who here believes that it's okay to not only suggest, but to pass laws which say, the bar must be lowered for black people because, well, otherwise they can't? That's so degrading in my view.
If the counter argument is poverty, not race, is really the problem and black people are disproportionately poor, then I say the affirmative action laws are beating around the bush. Address the disadvantages of poverty, if we must handicap the field.
Shhhh! You know the secret now.
Work ethic and parenting ARE the difference! You will be sent to reprogramming centers to correct your thinking soon. Be very careful!
All children are capable of great things! ALL CHILDREN! But without work ethic and good parental advice, they will fail time and time again.
Go ahead. Declare me a menace to society for my views. I have outlived my usefulness. But thank God my kids have advanced degrees!
To portray affirmative action as the belief that blacks should be held to a lower standard is either a vast misunderstanding of it or deliberate spin to run it down. It's purpose was and is to redress historical roadblocks--either racism or bad schools--by giving preferential treatment to blacks. There certainly is an argument to be made that it should be phased out or that it sets up a lot of students who simply are not up to the task for failure but other misrepresentations are silly and disingenuous.
As for the poverty angle by all means let's address it, and it would be nice if we could address it without immediately being called communists or resorting to the expediency of saying the poor are responsible for their predicament, everyone in america gets equal opportunity from birth and therefore the poor need no additional help.
I understand the purpose. And practically speaking, it has created a perception that more meritorious candidates are being denied opportunities in favor of lesser qualified candidates because of skin color. If true, then we would both probably agree that's fighting racial bias with racial bias, not a good idea. If the perception is untrue, it's a shame that black people can't accomplish anything without the notion that it was the product of affirmative action hanging over them. I've heard Obama, Carson and Rice all credit affirmative action for their opportunities. I tend to doubt it had anything to do with the achievements of these remarkable people, but even they cannot escape the stigma.
I live in Cal. Would never let my kid go to Cal. but my tax dollars give me a say.
Hey, both you guys live in Cal. Should meet up for a drink. ThaT would be a sight. I'd want to send someone to take the minutes.
