Hobbs gets it when he talks about Basketball
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Stats have gone up? Yes. Minutes per game gone up? Yes. Williams has gone from 22 to 28 and taking more shots without Mack. Foreman's mpg have increased from 15 to 24. One other factor -- this has been an easier OOC schedule and FDU and Lowell are more of the same.
Look, I believe that Williams was the type of local recruit that the program needs to be built with, regardless of the coach. There are plenty of mid-major and low major coaches who would have built him into a better player by now and his last 2 years would be a real solid contributor.
Without recruits, it's impossible to rebuild. We are delaying the inevitable.
Now you are just making up stuff.....REALLY, you are embarrassing yourself....lol
I assume you know that Williams is a true Sophomore ?
I would love some examples, of players outside of the top 100-125 that are real solid contributors by the 10th game of their 2nd year ?
Rutgers might go through another two head coaches waiting another seven years for a NCAA bid.Potential recruits have never seen Rutgers play in the NCAA which happens after 25 plus years of futility.
What do you mean "turning around?"
Win more than 6 games a season?
Win a B1G game?
Is that considered a turnaround?
I think that is VERY possible with a new coaching staff.
We'll see if that happens this season.
No one is saying hire a new coach, and we immediately go to the NCAA tournament in year 1.
But if you have the wrong guy (and we can argue whether or not Eddie is the wrong guy), why would you not hire a BETTER coach?
Do some of you think we could not hire a better coach and staff than Eddie at the end of this season?
If today was Day One, and Eddie had not been here the past 3 years, knowing what you know now, would you want to hire Eddie, or look for someone else?
That is all some of us are saying.
It just seems like some posters think we would be foolish to replace Jordan, or there is no way we could find someone better, or Eddie is the absolute best fit for our program and we never want to replace him.
Why do you defend him to the ends of the hills?
Why don't you think we can do better?
Ash's quotes on program development talk about making the football program a "developmental" program where the coaches "DEVELOP" the players.
Ash doesn't say the only solution is to improve facilities so we can recruit better players (and not develop them).
With Eddie, the excuses seem to be he needs better facilities and then he will be able to recruit better players.
Eddie never talks about DEVELOPING his players.
And neither do his defenders.
What have you seen on the court over 3 years that points to any kind of DEVELOPMENT?
When a shot goes up by the other team, how many players do we have going for rebounds, or boxing out?
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I know this is a possibility, but if you don't have the right coach, what do you do?
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What are Incarnate Word's facilities?
TTFP has a shiny newer arena yet they sit in the basement with us because of COACHING.
If we stumbled upon the next Shaka Smart we could go back to playing in the Barn and we would win.
Schiano had a vision, he managed to get recruits and change the culture before a lot of structural changes were made. We have not really had a bball coach with a vision in some time.
TTFP has a shiny newer arena yet they sit in the basement with us because of COACHING.
If we stumbled upon the next Shaka Smart we could go back to playing in the Barn and we would win.
Schiano had a vision, he managed to get recruits and change the culture before a lot of structural changes were made. We have not really had a bball coach with a vision in some time.
My here, here was about needing a major commitment from Rutgers to move forward and be competitive. I agree with the poster who made this statement. I made no other comments on coaching. Yes, we need better coaching, player development, and recruiting, but without serious commitment from Rutgers, It is my opinion, we can't rise above the current obstacles to get over the hump.
I am seeing some of the same kind of thinking about keeping Jordan that we saw with the posters who wanted to keep Flood
It was reported that Eddie stated in a press conference that he doesn't coach rebounding during practice because that isn't what he does.
Did you listen to it. ? What press conference was that? After what game because their are recordings on R-Vision. I would love to go listen to it. "It was reported" ? Reported by who ? Was it reported by NJ dot com ? App ? Zagsblog ? BTN ?
Reported by people here. I believe it was after the GW game but could be mistaken. People here posted the quote, which I honestly didn't believe he said because it is the stupidest thing that could possibly come out of basketball coach's mouth. However, more than one person here heard it.
Based on this teams rebounding efforts, it certainly looks like they don't practice.
Compare that with how much emphasis MSU puts on rebounding.
You seem to know everything about what and how Jordan is teaching. How many practices have you attended? How may film sessions with players have you attended?
So, if a coach does not give a press conference about developing players that means it is not important to him or he is not doing it?
Regarding the rebounding issue....do you know which post game press conference he made comment about rebounding? I really want to listen to it on R-Vision.
Okay, thanks, I'll go listen to it later.
I hope it was not that same guy who came on this board and reported that he met a top Jersey recruit and convinced him and his Mom to give Rutgers a chance after his 3 minute recruiting pitch about staying home and playing in front of family and friends.....lol
And Julie. Don't forget the kind of thinking from those who wanted to keep her.
okay.... Seton Hall game....he said he is not putting them through rebound drills, not part of my package. I emphasize transition. He said rebounding is about heart, having a nose for the ball and just going to get it.
So, it's not part of his package for limited game prep practices.
So, it's not part of his package for limited game prep practices.
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Meanwhile, you have guys like Izzo doing focusing on it everyday.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/war-tom-izzo-michigan-state-spartans-rebounding/
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/war-tom-izzo-michigan-state-spartans-rebounding/
it appears that MSU is the exception. I did not know that many coaches did not do this. He is teaching a different technique. Rebounding to most people has always been about putting your body on the guy, keep him behind you and go get the ball. Not something that requires constant drilling, which, I assume, is the reason a lot of coaches don't do it.
If Izzo is doing something like this with success....it looks like a lot of other coaches would be wise to adapt it in some way.
This is a passage from that article.
Michigan State players spend a good portion of their practice time honing this technique and mentality under Izzo’s watchful eye. Many other coaches spend only a cursory amount of time on this facet of the game — not that it makes them inherently better or worse, just different.
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Wow
Just wow.
We SUCK at rebounding, but we don't want to "put it in our package."
Is that good enough for you Choppin Ohio?
When you watch games, does it LOOK like we are a good rebounding team, or does it look like we need to work on it?
This is not the NBA!
Just wow.
We SUCK at rebounding, but we don't want to "put it in our package."
Is that good enough for you Choppin Ohio?
When you watch games, does it LOOK like we are a good rebounding team, or does it look like we need to work on it?
This is not the NBA!
Other coaches might not put as much emphasis on it, but I guarantee you they practice it. Certainly, there is no coach in America who would see his team suck so badly at something, then be silly enough to say they just need to get better at because it isn't in his coaching package. I feel dumber for even typing that.
You asked for him not teaching something, I give you exhibit A.
No need to practice it when you already have it mastered. Practice time is better spent cracking the impenetrable 1-3-1 zone.
Every staff has a "game prep package" when preparing for specific teams, so typically, rebounding drills are not a part of a specific package to prepare for a specific team.
Yes, he worded it awkwardly, but, the word "Package" should have been your clue. No offense, but,you suck at this analyzing coaching thing. NEXT
Tom Izzo is unique among college coaches..... From the article....Many other coaches spend only a cursory amount of time on this facet of the game — not that it makes them inherently better or worse, just different
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You are either being obtuse or just dumb at this point, and putting words in his mouth. He never said "game prep package". He said he "I'm not going through rebounding drills. It's not in my package as a coach". Drills should be your clue.
Out rebounded by 20 in a rivalry game. Time to make it part of your package, Coach.
You asked for something he isn't teaching, it's presented with evidence, and you still do mental gymnastics and make things up to try and convince yourself the truth isn't really the truth.
I'm hearing losses in 22 of 26 games is because lack of facilities and the good players we miss out on because of it.
But then point out programs that win without them and its Well they didn't have a scandal.
Then we get blown out by Seton Hall by almost 30 for the second season and Eddie makes rebounding comment. Then it becomes a debate and dissection of his words and its Oh no other coaches do it.
Eddie meant what he said. Eddie is doing the same thing here that got him fired from Washington.
But then point out programs that win without them and its Well they didn't have a scandal.
Then we get blown out by Seton Hall by almost 30 for the second season and Eddie makes rebounding comment. Then it becomes a debate and dissection of his words and its Oh no other coaches do it.
Eddie meant what he said. Eddie is doing the same thing here that got him fired from Washington.
I cannot believe people are making excuses for a B1G team playing like we are.
You could find so many midmajors with garbage facilities that make the RAC look like the Taj Mahal that have more and better wins than we do this season. Fordham plays in a 3k seat arena for crying out loud.
What are St. Peter's facilities and how many times have we lost to them the past few years?
These excuses are so ridiculous it is the same crap with Flood and it is not accepting mediocrity it is accepting FAILURE.
You could find so many midmajors with garbage facilities that make the RAC look like the Taj Mahal that have more and better wins than we do this season. Fordham plays in a 3k seat arena for crying out loud.
What are St. Peter's facilities and how many times have we lost to them the past few years?
These excuses are so ridiculous it is the same crap with Flood and it is not accepting mediocrity it is accepting FAILURE.
I guess you never coached....that's what "package" means in coach speak......game prep for specific opponents.
Wrong. He said not in my package as a coach. Not package "against Seton Hall."
You are conflating and making things up to try and prove your point, which is a no win proposition for you.
I'll play your silly game though. In your world this means he is running drills before games then. What are those? And lay up lines don't count.
And I went to RU on an athletic scholarship and played for a HOF coach. Package doesn't mean pre game prep.
I know who you are and baseball / soccer does not count when discussing this issue.
Excellent. Considering I haven't played either of those sports since I was 7, your sleuth skills are worse than your tale tales about what Eddie means when attempting to translate his words.
So what drills is he running before the game starts? There have to be some for your logic to work.
So what drills is he running before the game starts? There have to be some for your logic to work.
okay...I was thinking Reasso or Hill Jr. If it's anything else, does it really count as a sport? Because it was NOT one of the big two.
