Hobbs gets it when he talks about Basketball

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Good players win, Bad players get Coaches fired. It's all about Recruiting, because better players play better defense, shot better,

PER HOBBS: For men’s basketball in particular, the lack of a practice facility is an albatross on the recruiting trail.

It's incredibly important just for the development of the student-athlete; you can schedule more easily and it’s more comfortable,” Hobbs said, “But you can’t discount the wow factor. When a 16-, 17-, 18-year-old walks in and sees what’s available, they’re going to compare that to other Big Ten programs. If we’re not competitive across the board, it sends a signal to them and their parents about our commitment to excellence.”.

I know Hobbs is a basketball guy, he knows his stuff. I also know it's a little disheartening for posters like ru-man and bac to hear a basketball guy really talk about why coaches cannot recruit better players to Rutgers.....they love Danny Hurley so much and think he walks on water when goes out to recruit.


http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...s-ground-running-rutgers-facilities/77687146/

 

[bac2therac]

it does not change the fact that Jordan is the wrong guy for this undertaking. No one is disputing the importance of practice facilities. Mike Rice said it, Eddie said it, Tim said it, Julie said it, Pat is now saying it. Until the shovels are in the ground we have to deal with what we have and our current coach is not the energectic visionary and recruiter we need to be the face of facilities.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

it does not change the fact that Jordan is the wrong guy for this undertaking. No one is disputing the importance of practice facilities. Mike Rice said it, Eddie said it, Tim said it, Julie said it, Pat is now saying it. Until the shovels are in the ground we have to deal with what we have and our current coach is not the energectic visionary and recruiter we need to be the face of facilities.

Danny Hurley got it.....that's why he wanted 7 years to try and build something after the Mike Rice Scandal and the piss poor facilities.

 

[bac2therac]

that's right but comparing a guy in his early 40s who is connected with recruiting to a guy who is in his early 60s who is connected very little to the college guy is something you continue to overlook. Have to be able to be an energectic seller

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

You need to have plans for anything to happen...let's keep in mind talk is talk. This talk is no different than talk we have heard before.

All of us basketball fans are or should be from Missouri.

 

[Seton75]

Good players win, Bad players get Coaches fired. It's all about Recruiting, because better players play better defense, shot better,

PER HOBBS: For men’s basketball in particular, the lack of a practice facility is an albatross on the recruiting trail.

It's incredibly important just for the development of the student-athlete; you can schedule more easily and it’s more comfortable,” Hobbs said, “But you can’t discount the wow factor. When a 16-, 17-, 18-year-old walks in and sees what’s available, they’re going to compare that to other Big Ten programs. If we’re not competitive across the board, it sends a signal to them and their parents about our commitment to excellence.”.

I know Hobbs is a basketball guy, he knows his stuff. I also know it's a little disheartening for posters like ru-man and bac to hear a basketball guy really talk about why coaches cannot recruit better players to Rutgers.....they love Danny Hurley so much and think he walks on water when goes out to recruit.


http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...s-ground-running-rutgers-facilities/77687146/

IMO, the right coach will get players no matter what and the wrong coach wont get them if the practice facility is the best one ever. I want both, but if I have to choose, I take the coach.

 

[RocktheRac]

All this talk. How about that RAC expansion years ago with that big video screen outside. Until a shovel is in the ground it's the same talk talk I've heard for 20 years.

 

[Caliknight]

Get the right coach first.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Get your coach what he needs....an equal chance on the recruiting trail so that he can bring in better players.

 

[Plum Street]

Duffel bags of cash and jobs for handlers and parents . It's not a facility , but it's where we need to start . And if you don't think this doesn't go on , I have a bridge to sell you

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Duffel bags of cash and jobs for handlers and parents . It's not a facility , but it's where we need to start . And if you don't think this doesn't go on , I have a bridge to sell you

Unfortunately.....this is the reality of major prospects in college football and basketball recruiting.....facilities are the biggest excuse because the kids that are coming to play here, may not ever take advantage of it for the first half of their careers, even if ground was broken in the spring.

The bottom line is that you need to recruit and target kids and then they need to be coached up and it starts with the basics....you can turn up the intensity on fundamentals because a bill gets passed for a recruiting facility. And just because Danny Hurley overplayed his hand and was extremely greedy (you don't need to cycle through 3 full recruiting classes or 7 years to rebuild anything), doesn't mean that is the task at hand.

This is a halfway built program and has pieces that can play....I know it's hard to believe for some, but if Mike Coburn and James Beatty can win 15 games as your starting backcourt, with Gil Biruta at the 5, then I'd like to think even this roster down to 8 players can get to 11 or 12 wins. We are nowhere near that competitive and Monmouth didn't even play well and won yesterday.

Hobbs isn't going to waive a magic wand.....the bill gets passed in a few months and then the funds get allocated and it helps the process move forward for all RU athletics, not just hoops....we have tons of gaps all over the place that only revenue and TV revenue funds and develops....People believe the B1G schools have tons of donors writing checks for everything, well not really true. Revenue from TV and the league starts and ends everything. Just be glad RU is in the league and will launch itself forward in the next 3 to 5 years on the court. One decent hire and RU is off to the races to becoming mediocre and then decent in a couple of years. It doesn't take 7 or 6 or even 5 years....it takes a decent hard working staff 2 to 3 years to get tangible results and a good coach gets results in Year 1 and more reasonable wins in Year 2. Anything less is not realistic, RU at a minimum should be .500 every year.

 

[Caliknight]

Get your coach what he needs....an equal chance on the recruiting trail so that he can bring in better players.

Eddie would lose at Kentucky. Not the guy. The right coach will need the facilities, but we will know them when we see them even if they don't have them right away.

 

[Frida's Boss]

Get your coach what he needs....an equal chance on the recruiting trail so that he can bring in better players.

It really comes down to a strategic decision. I accept the premise that major facility improvements are required to attract players who are also cosnidering other "comparable" programs. Assuming that premise is correct, you need to determine whether it's realistic to assume the school will provide said facilties, or not. If the answer is "yes", then its a waiting game and having a caretaker at the helm of the program is frustratingly appropriate. If, however, the answer is "no," then you need to consider if there are other alternatives which may lead to a a successful program. Those alternatives necessarily mean doing something different than the "comparable" programs relying on facilities to impress recruits.

Of course, the alternative is to find a coach who runs a system that can thrive without supposed top notch talent that is covented by other schools. Such coaches exist, and range from offensive minded folks like Belien to the outgoing Ryan (taking a look at Ryan's recruiting classes back to 2010, he signed 15 three stars, 3 zero stars, 2 four stars and 1 five star). Obviously, he played a different brand of ball with a relatively underwheling group of recruits. There are coaches who outperform their recruiting. You need to find one.

So you can either accept that the only way to improve is to enter the arms race and play how everyone else is, or realize that you can't play in that manner and attempt something different.

 

[rufan4ever]

Good players win, Bad players get Coaches fired. It's all about Recruiting, because better players play better defense, shot better,

PER HOBBS: For men’s basketball in particular, the lack of a practice facility is an albatross on the recruiting trail.

It's incredibly important just for the development of the student-athlete; you can schedule more easily and it’s more comfortable,” Hobbs said, “But you can’t discount the wow factor. When a 16-, 17-, 18-year-old walks in and sees what’s available, they’re going to compare that to other Big Ten programs. If we’re not competitive across the board, it sends a signal to them and their parents about our commitment to excellence.”.

I know Hobbs is a basketball guy, he knows his stuff. I also know it's a little disheartening for posters like ru-man and bac to hear a basketball guy really talk about why coaches cannot recruit better players to Rutgers.....they love Danny Hurley so much and think he walks on water when goes out to recruit.


http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...s-ground-running-rutgers-facilities/77687146/

How does the facilities argument explain why SHU and Monmouth are better?

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

This is a halfway built program and has pieces that can play....I know it's hard to believe for some, but if Mike Coburn and James Beatty can win 15 games as your starting backcourt, with Gil Biruta at the 5, then I'd like to think even this roster down to 8 players can get to 11 or 12 wins

This should not be understated. Wild in fact.

Bishop Daniels blocked a shot on the run 10' 6'' in the air. Beatty and Coburn couldn't dunk. Mike Coburn had no shot and had zero lateral quickness. They both were under 6'.

He was a freshman on that team, watching us this year how much could we use Austin Johnson this year. What is he up to these days?

 

[TrueBlue1989]

How does the facilities argument explain why SHU and Monmouth are better?

SHU has brand new and very nice facilities on campus ( locker room, academic center, weight room and training rooms) and at the Rock (the Nets old locker room with Pirate branding). It has a practice facility albeit circa 20 years old. SHU has much better facilities than RU

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

How does the facilities argument explain why SHU and Monmouth are better?

Facilities is a big part of it, but, Rutgers has so much more going for it when it comes to basketball. With a list like this it is amazing that we are not better in basketball and recruiting better players.

1. Twenty Five year (25) without an NCAA bid.

2. A scandal that got the program Roasted in the National Media for weeks and had Kobe Bryant saying, " I would never send my son to play for Rutgers". Dozens of other NBA players made similar comments. That's great for recruiting.

3. Six coaches in 25 years....Five fired. That kind of consistency is great for the program.

4. A program where success is measured by under .500 and missing the NIT.

The program is on the similar path as Indiana after it's scandal....6-25; 10-22 and 12-20. Of course, Rutgers does not have Indiana's tradition and history of success. Our fall has been much harder until we recover back to our normal 15-16 record..

 

[OldManRiver]

How does the facilities argument explain why SHU and Monmouth are better?

Along with what Ohio has listed...
Their academic requirements allow them to take some risks.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Along with what Ohio has listed...
Their academic requirements allow them to take some risks.

Comparable to what Bobby Hurley did at Buffalo. Very good players playing at a lower level against inferior competition.....makes the coach look real good when they dominate their conference......like a Pro team playing in the Big East.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

The program is on the similar path as Indiana after it's scandal....6-25; 10-22 and 12-20. Of course, Rutgers does not have Indiana's tradition and history of success. Our fall has been much harder until we recover back to our normal 15-16 record..

No 12/21/2010 (Year 3). They were 9-2 with losses to Kentucky and BC and had a kenpom rating of #66 (they finished #81). They didn't have injuries so admittedly my analysis was flawed.

They also had freshman named Victor Oladipo. 11/11/2010 Cody Zeller committed to play for Indiana the following year (Year 4). 11/30/2010 Kevin "Yogi" Ferrell commits to play for IU starting 2012-13 (Year 5).

 

[SirScarlet]

Its just amazing to me how many people suggest/imply that facilities have anything to do with running an offense fit to a teams skills or digging in and giving effort on defense

Until we do that, the best facilities in the world simply don't mean spit.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

No 12/21/2010 (Year 3). They were 9-2 with losses to Kentucky and BC and had a kenpom rating of #66 (they finished #81). They didn't have injuries so admittedly my analysis was flawed.

They also had freshman named Victor Oladipo. 11/11/2010 Cody Zeller committed to play for Indiana the following year (Year 4). 11/30/2010 Kevin "Yogi" Ferrell commits to play for IU starting 2012-13 (Year 5).

Did they finish year three at 12-20 ?

Yes, Crean recruited well because Indiana has quite the winning tradition. Oladipo was a low level recruit. Lots of teams missed his potential. Also...... I don't think anyone would argue that Indiana is a much easier place to attract recruits.

 

[RutgHoops]

that's right but comparing a guy in his early 40s who is connected with recruiting to a guy who is in his early 60s who is connected very little to the college guy is something you continue to overlook. Have to be able to be an energectic seller

Danny Hurley has made 1 NIT appearance in 5 years as an HC. His record at URI is 50-52. Please explain how that resume in any way, shape or form warrants a 7 year/$9.8MM contract (which was his demand to take the RU job). Danny made the demand because odds are when you take the RU Mens HC job it is your last one ever so better get paid to do it. Eddie's resume DWARFS Danny Hurley's resume. Its not close.

And I type that as someone who actually likes Danny Hurley as an HC.

 

[ru8081]

The practice facility shows commitment. Kids and Parents are not stupid.

 

[cyrock3]

Agree with Ru-Choppin-Ohio.

Posters need to get off Danny Hurley. He would not do as well as Eddie Jordan here. Jordan's our coach, and he's in Year 1 of a 7 year rebuild.

 

[Caliknight]

Hopefully the post Eddie net is cast much wider than a Hurley.

 

[ruman]

Agree with Ru-Choppin-Ohio.

Posters need to get off Danny Hurley. He would not do as well as Eddie Jordan here. Jordan's our coach, and he's in Year 1 of a 7 year rebuild.

So were are now not allowed to hold Jordan accountable until 2023 - got it. He's only got two and a half years left on his contract - better get that four year extension in place right away

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

. Eddie's resume DWARFS Danny Hurley's resume. Its not close.

And I type that as someone who actually likes Danny Hurley as an HC.

This i disagree with. NBA and NCAA basketball are 2 totally different sports.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Its just amazing to me how many people suggest/imply that facilities have anything to do with running an offense fit to a teams skills or digging in and giving effort on defense

Until we do that, the best facilities in the world simply don't mean spit.

We haven't been that great for 26 years including a big stretch before all this hype about facilities became the end all - be all. Even when the RAC was a hot commodity and one of the top places to play it got us little.

Do we need more facilities support. Of course I guess. But get me a freakin coach who can teach , motivate, and call a game.

 

[SirScarlet]

We haven't been that great for 26 years including a big stretch before all this hype about facilities became the end all - be all. Even when the RAC was a hot commodity and one of the top places to play it got us little.

Do we need more facilities support. Of course I guess. But get me a freakin coach who can teach , motivate, and call a game.

fully agree

 

[cyrock3]

So were are now not allowed to hold Jordan accountable until 2023 - got it. He's only got two and a half years left on his contract - better get that four year extension in place right away

Yes, that's basically it. You need a ton of patience. We're an extraordinarily horrible program, with an extraordinarily large hole to overcome. It's not going to be easy to be a Rutgers hoops fan.

You need to keep the faith though.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

We haven't been that great for 26 years including a big stretch before all this hype about facilities became the end all - be all. Even when the RAC was a hot commodity and one of the top places to play it got us little.

Do we need more facilities support. Of course I guess. But get me a freakin coach who can teach , motivate, and call a game.

I'll take better, more athletic players with better natural instincts and lateral quickness. Give me quick guys with instincts AND Watch how much better the defense and offense becomes. It's amazing or just common sense (lol)............better quicker players play better, better shooters shoot better !!!

How do you get better players to strongly consider Rutgers......with WOW type facilities. If not, the lack of a practice facility will continue to be a big 'ole Albatross around the neck of Basketball Recruiting.

 

[CuredbywinningRU]

A good game coach or a good recruiter trumps good facilities. Doug Graber im his second recruiting your recruited four of top 100 players (according to one of the lists- that was before rivals, etc) in the country with the worst facilities of any major program.

 

[ruman]

Yes, that's basically it. You need a ton of patience. We're an extraordinarily horrible program, with an extraordinarily large hole to overcome. It's not going to be easy to be a Rutgers hoops fan.

You need to keep the faith though.

So again - so I get this straight. Eddie Jordan got hired in April 2013 and I'm not expected to hold him accountable until March 2023. If we go single digit wins from now until then, I can't evaluate that I think he's not doing a good job. If we are below .500 all the years until 2023, I should not complain.

I believe he was a terrible hire, that he has absolutely none of the qualities a coach at Rutgers, with all its flaws and terrible facilities, needs (young, connected, tied into recruiting). I don't even see him as a system or tactician guy recruiting people that fit his way of playing (like Lonergan). And I also don't believe some time in the next seven years he is going to become a coach that fits what Rutgers needs - that EJ's built in weaknesses will disappear. That 16 year old kids will now start wanting to play for him.

Sorry - I'm ready to bail now. I wont be making the ride until 2023 - but you enjoy the ten year building process.

But hey, we are talking about a masterpiece here - it took Michelangelo like four years to paint the Sistine Chapel - but its going to take 10 years to rebuild a college basketball team

 

[MADHAT1]

What I take from what Hobbs' said: Jordan is excused for poor recruiting and results for now
and will be given a chance to prove himself next season.
The facilities will be used as an excuse for bringing back Eddie and not the money buying out the last two years of Jordan's contract will cost. Which to me is a major reason why Eddie will return next season and be given a chance to show he can make RU MBB into a good program, after inheriting the mess Rice left.
Don't know if he can or not, but think he'll be getting one more year to show he can.

 

[cyrock3]

So again - so I get this straight. Eddie Jordan got hired in April 2013 and I'm not expected to hold him accountable until March 2023. If we go single digit wins from now until then, I can't evaluate that I think he's not doing a good job. If we are below .500 all the years until 2023, I should not complain.

I believe he was a terrible hire, that he has absolutely none of the qualities a coach at Rutgers, with all its flaws and terrible facilities, needs (young, connected, tied into recruiting). I don't even see him as a system or tactician guy recruiting people that fit his way of playing (like Lonergan). And I also don't believe some time in the next seven years he is going to become a coach that fits what Rutgers needs - that EJ's built in weaknesses will disappear. That 16 year old kids will now start wanting to play for him.

Sorry - I'm ready to bail now. I wont be making the ride until 2023 - but you enjoy the ten year building process.

But hey, we are talking about a masterpiece here - it took Michelangelo like four years to paint the Sistine Chapel - but its going to take 10 years to rebuild a college basketball team

You have a lot of rage issues. You need to relax and just enjoy the ride, or don't. Eddie is going to get it done and you can follow him or you can abandon this board and the team and go root for someone else. It's fine. The rest of us are going to fight with Eddie though.

 

[ruman]

So again - so I get this straight. Eddie Jordan got hired in April 2013 and I'm not expected to hold him accountable until March 2023. If we go single digit wins from now until then, I can't evaluate that I think he's not doing a good job. If we are below .500 all the years until 2023, I should not complain.

Sorry - I'm ready to bail now - I wont be making the ride until 2023 - but you enjoy the ten year building process.

So again - so I get this straight. Eddie Jordan got hired in April 2013 and I'm not expected to hold him accountable until March 2023. If we go single digit wins from now until then, I can't evaluate that I think he's not doing a good job. If we are below .500 all the years until 2023, I should not complain.

I believe he was a terrible hire, that he has absolutely none of the qualities a coach at Rutgers, with all its flaws and terrible facilities, needs (young, connected, tied into recruiting). I don't even see him as a system or tactician guy recruits people that fit his way of playing (like Lonergan). And I also don't believe some time in the next seven years he is going to become a coach that fits what Rutgers needs - that EJ's built in weaknesses will disappear. That 16 year old kids will now start wanting to play for him.

Sorry - I'm ready to bail now. I wont be making the ride until 2023 - but you enjoy the ten year building process.

You have a lot of rage issues. You need to relax and just enjoy the ride, or don't. Eddie is going to get it done and you can follow him or you can abandon this board and the team and go root for someone else. It's fine. The rest of us are going to fight with Eddie though.

as long as you are ok with that - and if it takes to 2023, many here will be dead

 

[bac2therac]

Danny Hurley has made 1 NIT appearance in 5 years as an HC. His record at URI is 50-52. Please explain how that resume in any way, shape or form warrants a 7 year/$9.8MM contract (which was his demand to take the RU job). Danny made the demand because odds are when you take the RU Mens HC job it is your last one ever so better get paid to do it. Eddie's resume DWARFS Danny Hurley's resume. Its not close.

And I type that as someone who actually likes Danny Hurley as an HC.

it doesn't have to be Hurley but its clear its not Eddie

 

[bac2therac]

You have a lot of rage issues. You need to relax and just enjoy the ride, or don't. Eddie is going to get it done and you can follow him or you can abandon this board and the team and go root for someone else. It's fine. The rest of us are going to fight with Eddie though.

and your basis for thinking that is what..please explain with facts

 

[bac2therac]

Agree with Ru-Choppin-Ohio.

Posters need to get off Danny Hurley. He would not do as well as Eddie Jordan here. Jordan's our coach, and he's in Year 1 of a 7 year rebuild.

sorry this is comical and delusion...it does not take 10 years to build a program...stop embarrassing yourself