Pike might not move solely over money, but you can repel a lot if offers with a very good pay
Better to get ahead of it
Better to get ahead of it
You’re so wrong Kyk (as usual). An average to good coach does not take a team from where we were to 4 straight post seasons in 1 recruiting class. And then bring in this type of class. No way. Pine is ELITE !! You’re an idiot
Oates has no connection to Alabama, he'll be gone at the first better offer.
He's Calipari with analytics
That may win games, but I don't want to cheer for that, I'd rather have Pike
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At what time will it be ok to raise expectations and want a 2nd weekend visit in the tourney? Time wise im talking how many years would pike have to be coach here. Cc: @ScarletDave
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I am not saying fire Pike at all but everyone throws out Eddie Jordan or another bad hire by our AD’s and are board unwillingness to pay to get a top talent coach. If the board is now paying at the level Pike is receiving then your next hire could have been Shaka before he took the Marquette job. Collins because he wants to come back east. The list goes on
Once again NOT saying to fire the coach but throwing out the numerous second rate low budget coaches we have had is not fair.
If we are going to pay top 25 coach money you will get winning in return. Look at the other top paid coaches and where they are playing this week.
I'll take Pike over Pitino, Boeheim or Calipari. He may not be as good but I think he is continuing to improve and he's certainly a much better guy to root for.
Why do you care? You are a SHU fan that craps on R Hoops every chance you get. POS.
Bad guy terrible what the AD did more then Oats. I put that situation on the AD far more then Oates but Oates has been terrible as well. Terrible as it is they will be in Indy.
When we get more talent, which is coming.
Recruiting is a big part of being a great college coach
Good coaches recruit develop and acquire through the portal a ton of talent. We keep saying talent is coming. It’s time to stop making excuses for a complete letdown of a season. I agree on paper what is supposed to be coming is extremely exciting but no more free passes.
Oats took Buffalo to the tournament three times.
bravo sir,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,this program was a laughing stock before pike......i can"t believe the anti pikers are still questioning his coaching chops.. the man is a miracle worker.....can't wait for the next few years. help is on the way.
Good point. What he did at Buffalo is more impressive than Alabama.
With that said, considering what Pikiell inherited at Rutgers and where he’s gotten us, I feel good about calling him a very good coach.
Pike is an excellent coach. Knowledgeable people that understand basketball laugh at these people.
They deserve to be crapped on this year. This year was a massive failure. Didn't make the tournament, made zero adjustments to cope with mag loss, completely dropped what was an easy shot at the tournament (yes, beating minny and neb at home is easy for good teams).
How about we see what he does with the influx of talent coming before judging if he’s good vs great. He’s done quite a bit with average talent.
Rutgers is a REALLY hard job. It would be a huge career gamble for an established "very good" head coach to take this job at ANY price. Sure, you might get someone to humor the Rutgers administration in order to get a pay raise at their current school but that's about it. Pike is here and has competed with bluebloods like Indiana, Purdue, and Michigan State on even terms with inferior talent for several consecutive years now. To think that any other good coach could step in and not miss a beat is delusional. Just absurd that this comes up again and again from the same usual suspects. Just a complete lack of understanding of the college basketball landscape.
Hurley had Buffalo in the tournament the season before Oats got there
Still impressive what Oats did there - just context
Oats didn't take over a bad program at Buffalo
1. We probably aren't willing to pay Pike's contract to an unproven commodity. He's getting what he's getting because he has done a good job.
2. We are paying him an average Big Ten salary and getting average Big Ten results.
Sure we could fire him, then bet that the next guy is the next Shaka Smart and not the next (pick your choice of seemingly great mid-major coaches who were no better than average at a major school). But that's a big gamble and there is no particular reason to take it now. Pike might stay the same, but his recruiting seems to be picking up, so the team might get better.
As far as the original intent of the post - Maryland hired Kevin Willard away from SHU after he had a run (albeit longer with a much longer rebuild) similar to Pike's record (edging into the tournament and losing in round 1 or 2). They idea that teams wouldn't be interested in Pikiell is insane.
BTN - Spotlighting Steve Pikiell | Rutgers Men's Basketball | The Journey
Pike - people told me this is where coaches go to die
Brandin Knight - they said you gotta get the hell out of there as fast as you can
Pike - people told me this is where coaches go to die
Brandin Knight - they said you gotta get the hell out of there as fast as you can
We all want Final 4s and national championships - we are just realistic on what it takes to get there. Until Pike arrived, this was considered a dead end job where careers go to die - and then it got worse after Rice (credit to Eddie for at least running into the dumpster fire to try to put it out).
Pike is one of the best coaches in the country and will continue to get better in all aspects. Recruiting, coaching, etc. The guys he recruited to the dumpster fire are just graduating now - you dont find guys like Geo, Ron, Caleb, Paul, Myles, Derek, Wolf unless you are outworking almost everyone.
Last night was a game for the die hards - and the team was met with applause after the game, as they should have been.
And FFS, there really has not been enough credit to Hofstra (one of only 3 teams to beat Charleston). We didnt lose - they won that game. Those guys just could not miss in the second half, banked 3's, tear drops that just always found their way in. They hit big time shots. 57% from the floor to our 51%, both teams at 40% from deep. Hell of a game.
For context... the last 10 games before Pike took over...
24 Point loss to Nebraska
10 point loss to Ohio State
16 Point loss to Illinois
12 Point loss to be a bad PSU
22 Point loss to Minny
39 Point loss to Northwestern
31 Point loss to MSU
23 Point win over Minny - 3 players suspended before the game, including their best player! And they were already the 2nd worst team in the Big.
17 point loss to 11 seed Nebraska in the Big Ten Tourney
And you were expected a tourney birth the next year? Getting there in year 4 (really year 3 since the 2016 class was mostly done and his first class was in 2017) was a miracle - and he sort of hit it out of the park with Geo and Myles in his first class. Harper, Tez and Caleb in his second class.
When you're banking $4mil a year, the price of eggs isn't a significant consideration. I've had this conversation with people over the years and I always tell them it sucks to be rich in Carson City, Walla Walla, Omaha (Buffet is an idiot), Abeline, Kansas City, Pittsburg, Boise and all those other little sh!t towns built to serve wage workers. You're rich (or gonna be rich) - you wanna be in New York or Los Angeles. No you don't want to live in Honolulu. There's sh!t to there after a month. Chicago? San Fran? Why would you do that to yourself? Settle for second rate?
As for Pike, I don't think he is smoking a cohiba in private room service in the back of Manhattan's finest restaurants accompanied by models, actresses, minor celebrities. He's the buy buying T-bill and AAA bond mutual funds and cutting his own grass on weekends. Doesn't cheat on his wife. Money is a motivator for him but not the be all end all. My only worry is the day UConn comes knocking.
Im very satisfied with the coach and what he is paid.
On to the offseason -
On to the offseason -
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Why is Rutgers a really hard job in 2023? How many schools can offer a coach a better opportunity than Rutgers?
Uconn had to pay big bucks to Kevin Ollie after firing him and Hurley is under contract through 2027
I doubt they could afford that any time soon
Is this a serious question?
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I don’t know why anyone cares as long as the school is happy pay it and it keeps Pike happy and focused. Stability is underrated and undervalued. Recruits who are evaluating us know Pike is going to be there for their college careers, which is a big positive. And if we go back to cycling through coaches, it tends to be at least as expensive and potentially more so in the long run, especially because you have to replace all the assistants.
I really don’t understand how anyone could expect more than what Pike has delivered since he got here. There are only a handful of coaches that could have done as well or better than Pike has, and they were all largely unavailable to us at the time Pike was hired. I certainly have some criticisms of some of the coaching, but let’s be honest, the basketball skills of the players were willing to come here before the program had any success were very limited, and the success we have had with the level of talent we have had is stunning. The last several years we have been in contention every year for the Tournament with a team where hardly anyone on the team can shoot or drive to the basket. And with that success we now have better players coming in, and it will be interesting and fun to watch how Pike and the team evolve. He was also the right coach for the league we have been in. His rugged defensive style of play works well in the slow physical Big 10, and would have been less successful in a run and gun league like the Big 12.
I really don’t understand how anyone could expect more than what Pike has delivered since he got here. There are only a handful of coaches that could have done as well or better than Pike has, and they were all largely unavailable to us at the time Pike was hired. I certainly have some criticisms of some of the coaching, but let’s be honest, the basketball skills of the players were willing to come here before the program had any success were very limited, and the success we have had with the level of talent we have had is stunning. The last several years we have been in contention every year for the Tournament with a team where hardly anyone on the team can shoot or drive to the basket. And with that success we now have better players coming in, and it will be interesting and fun to watch how Pike and the team evolve. He was also the right coach for the league we have been in. His rugged defensive style of play works well in the slow physical Big 10, and would have been less successful in a run and gun league like the Big 12.
People have seriously underestimated the advantages Hobbs has spearheaded for the basketball program.
Kyk originally predicted like 3 or 5 wins this year in conference and says we have a severe lack of talent but Pike is only good coach to get this many wins and is mad we didn't make it to the second week of the tournament.
Severe disconnect there
Dumpsterfire to now having multiple 5 stars committed and a potential super class coming in. The trajectory of the rebuild is absolutely unbelievable
If Pike can't make a tournament run once the increase in talent comes in, then you can reopen this discussion. Until then, appreciate the miracle ride we have been on since he got here
Severe disconnect there
Dumpsterfire to now having multiple 5 stars committed and a potential super class coming in. The trajectory of the rebuild is absolutely unbelievable
If Pike can't make a tournament run once the increase in talent comes in, then you can reopen this discussion. Until then, appreciate the miracle ride we have been on since he got here
Um yea but Pikiell and his staffs recruiting has improved greatly.
It’s pretty common that there is a lag between recruiting and results..it takes time for kids to make it to campus lol.
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I predicted 16-15 and 8-12 once the roster was set. I was two games off. Youre trying too hard again. Didnt you predict 22-9?
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