That is, when it was working properly. Loved watching Brian Leonard and Michael Burton lead our RBs through the hole, which seems like a distant memory.
I MISS our Pro Style Offense
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I prefer a Pro Set, but times change. We can't recruit the players needed for that offense to be good in our conference. Worked for 3rd place in Big East for Schiano. Time to score some points.
What I miss far more is the aggressive, swarming, blitzing, ball-hawking defense Schiano always had.
To recruit the players for the offense, you need someone who can actually recruit. Schiano could have recruited the players for this offense. Nevertheless, I'm excited about the potential for our new offense.
There's a reason why less and less teams run it Al. Pro set is going the way of the T formation in college.
2001 - 117th (last)
2002 - 117th (last)
2003 - 56th
2004 - 68th
2005 - 48th
2006 - 22nd
2007 - 34th
2008 - 39th
2009 - 53rd
2010 - 103rd
2011 - 65th
2012 - 98th
2013 - 77th
2014 - 83rd
2015 - 78th
...exactly what are you missing? We NEVER cracked the top 20, even with BL/Rice/Teel, and only cracked the top 30 a single time. Top 40? 3 times (consecutively, at-that with a ton of weapons).
I have a feeling that you will be ECSTATIC with "this" offense once it gets going.
2002 - 117th (last)
2003 - 56th
2004 - 68th
2005 - 48th
2006 - 22nd
2007 - 34th
2008 - 39th
2009 - 53rd
2010 - 103rd
2011 - 65th
2012 - 98th
2013 - 77th
2014 - 83rd
2015 - 78th
...exactly what are you missing? We NEVER cracked the top 20, even with BL/Rice/Teel, and only cracked the top 30 a single time. Top 40? 3 times (consecutively, at-that with a ton of weapons).
I have a feeling that you will be ECSTATIC with "this" offense once it gets going.
I'm sure you'll like the spread once you see it clicking in action here. The problem with your thinking OP is you liked the pro style offense when it was "clicking". When was the last time the pro style was ever "clicking" here at RU?
The problem is that most high schools run spread offenses, with limits to practices time, it is easier for college teams to do the same.
This. This is the reason why we used a pro-set. You can't blitz and run around like that when our offense takes no time off the clock and we trot out the defense again and again.
If it were up to me we would blitzing when we got off the bus.
I miss it too. Watching Tom Savage today makes me realize that even more. Recruit 4 star heavyweights on the o line and a passer and a RB and you win. Look how Penn State beat Wisconsin. By passing downfield--north south not east west. Passing is the only way RU can possibly beat a few of the better teams of the big ten.
Give me a single back with two TEs or a 2 wr x 1 wr set and i am a happy camper. Stretch blocking schemes with some spread tendencies built in and that is the perfect offense.
It's an issue in the NFL because there isn't enough practice time to train college offensive linemen in pro-style blocking techniques. The physical ability of offensive linemen is at a higher level than it's ever been, and there's no shortage of them. They just aren't learning how to play OL the way it needs to be played to make an NFL offensive system work. This was less of an issue when college teams ran variations of the West Coast offense. Even during the 70s, when most college teams ran some form of the triple option, there was less of an adjustment for linemen because NFL teams practiced more then.
I don't. Al, I think you'll like the new power spread better when we actually have the personnel to run it. It's much more interesting and exciting than the stodgy play we saw over the years.
Give 5 guys who can block up front and a superstar QB. I don't give a rats ass what offense we run as long as we are moving the chains and scoring points.
We have never had the superstar QB here and that is what makes the offense tick.
We have never had the superstar QB here and that is what makes the offense tick.
The Cowboys are fun to watch as they are old school pro style smash mouth football. Big talented offensive line, great running back. They lead the league in run/pass %. But they are barely at 50%. Even with one of the best offensive lines in the last 30 years it's still a passing league now. Sadly. Times have changed and not for the better.
Yeah, remember those 15-20 games over the last decade when it was really cooking. Good times.
Google some of the 2014 Minnesota games -- I think you're going to like the Jerry Kill hire.
I only watched a few series, but here's what I liked:
- looks like he bases out of 11 & 12 personnel
- lots of presnap shifting, but typically only by the TEs/FB to keep things relatively simple (like Boise State)
- plenty of motion, but typically only from the flanker (#1) -- again, keeps things relatively simple. #1 looks like their best WR too so putting him in motion keeps him off jams and allows him to threaten reverses and shallow crosses. I can totally see Grant in that role.
- lots of different formations, particularly with TEs on the same side of the field when close to the boundary -- again, I think this is a great idea to get all the playmakers in space to the field side
- some nice draw plays
- screens(!)
It doesn't look like tackle football with out a huddle, a fullback and one or more tight ends. I don't like the flag football concepts.
Would love to watch some. I have been googling some things but not really coming up with a good video to watch. If you have a good one please link it or send it to me. Thanks.
Here's a 2014 highlight video, but kind of hard to follow the action:
Leidner's 2014 Highlights:
Leidner 2015 Highlights:
Same here....that's what I called football... old school style...and the occaisional dropback bomb....
From what I can see I like the formations, I like the play action, and I like that they attack different parts of the field with passing schemes. This is very similar to what I have worked with and am a fan of.
I think his read option plays will keep Ash happy but not relying on that will help.
I will see if I can find game footage over the next few days.
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