AK is back next season, & RU can't afford a top flight can't miss QB in the portal, much too expensive.
I think Indiana has passed us by
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Want to see their game vs Washington with their QB and the very good running back and receivers.
"Passed us by", to me, doesn't just mean a team that is better than us this season, but also one that is better positioned going forward. Indiana will beat Purdue, no doubt. There is no guarantee they win any of the other five games, although 0-5 isn't likely in those. Both teams could easily finish with the same record this season.
I'm not ready to say their program is better positioned than ours for the future.
I'm not ready to say their program is better positioned than ours for the future.
This. They haven’t had a tough game yet.
Yea I mean that’s the biggest thing, he pulled in a bunch of guys from a proven mid-major winner and was granted a large NIL budget. Impressive stuff, and will be curious how recruiting/development goes over there, but FSU shows how fickle the transfer portal approach can be.
Curious if Cignetti would make an upward move if he kills it in Bloomington, he’s sneaky old at 63
That's not part of the playbook for some of our "fans."
Fair… but they were NOT as good as us the past couple years now it seems on the cusp of a breakout year with a new and talented coach. Hope I’m wrong but will see
You know my take on him but as I said above these things are year to year to somewhat the way college football is now and that’s probably more true at lower status schools. It’s not easy to keep things up at a top level every year.
Take for instance a Matt Campbell. He’s been a solid coach and was red hot at one time but all along he’s been a solid coach there at ISU, red hot or not… a lot of solid seasons and one really good season finishing ranked at 9. A couple years ago he was 4-8, 1-8 in conference. Did that suddenly make him a crap coach, not in my mind. Still the solid coach like he’s always been just the same way I think of LL until I see a big change in pattern not just a single year.
MC has got ISU at 11 currently and undefeated but the meat of their schedule comes at the end against Utah and KSU. Nonetheless a good start for them. It’s ISU or Kansas or a Duke or whichever lower status school, you can’t expect the sun, the moon and the stars from these places. They’re not Alabama or OSU or Oregon etc…instead they’re often places that are the roadkill.
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This^^^
You need to take what they've done in context with their schedule. 6-0 and flashy offensive numbers look great until you dive into the defenses and teams they've played. They're doing exactly what the media is enamored with, a flashy offense. If you compared our schedule to date to there's, you'd come away thinking Rutgers schedule was brutal.
Screw Indiana. We own them and will continue to do so. Passed us by my ass. I see they played a cream puff schedule. Lets see what happens after they've played Nebraska and Washington
lol I meant more that, at least to me, he doesn’t look super old and has implemented a fairly modern style
4 losses. Lol.
If rouke is healthy for the rest of the season, there is a very good chance they finish with 1 loss in the regular season.
They ain't losing more than 2. Mich/Wash/Nebraska all travel to Indiana. Michigan isn't beating them.
If rouke is healthy for the rest of the season, there is a very good chance they finish with 1 loss in the regular season.
They ain't losing more than 2. Mich/Wash/Nebraska all travel to Indiana. Michigan isn't beating them.
Did you say dive in, OK, let's take a look.
FIU -2-3 this seasonGiving up 28 points per game (Indiana scored 31)
Western Illinois -(FCS) 2-3-gave up 51 points to Illinois State, 54 points to NIU) (Indiana scored 77)
UCLA- Giving up 30 points/game (Indiana scored 42)
Charlotte- Giving up 31.7 points/game
Maryland--giving up 21.8 points/game, 0-2 in the B1G, lost to MSU. Nice job Indiana- you doubled that
Northwestern--0-2/2-3--giving up 21 points per game.
Next up--Nebraska, then Washington, MSU, Michigan, Ohio State and Purdue.
Hm...
One could be forgiven for, having read this thread's posts so far, forming the opinion that many of you believe that the force with which one states their opinion conveys a degree of correctness upon that opinion. I'm skeptical.
But, just in case...
There can be only one correct answer to the question of which team is better, Indiana or Rutgers. The correct answer is obvious to even the most casual of observers. And that answer is that the team that ends the season with the best record is the better team for the current season. Period.
Until that time, everybody's opinion is half-baked namby-pamby crap. Any anybody who disagrees with my logic is a namby-pamby-peddling nincompoop. 🤨
One could be forgiven for, having read this thread's posts so far, forming the opinion that many of you believe that the force with which one states their opinion conveys a degree of correctness upon that opinion. I'm skeptical.
But, just in case...
There can be only one correct answer to the question of which team is better, Indiana or Rutgers. The correct answer is obvious to even the most casual of observers. And that answer is that the team that ends the season with the best record is the better team for the current season. Period.
Until that time, everybody's opinion is half-baked namby-pamby crap. Any anybody who disagrees with my logic is a namby-pamby-peddling nincompoop. 🤨
Indiana coach brought his QB with him. QB is well-coached in that system... which was prolific. He brought.. I think it was 13 players with him.. and surrounds them with what Big Ten talent the last Indiana coach left him with. Remember, Indiana did pretty well with Penix.. before he left to take Washington to the NC game.
I think it's a special case.
Deion Sanders (no longer Coach Prime by any measure but his own.. brought his sons with him and probably got rid of too much talent that Colorado had.
What was it, the last two years Lance Leipold was the guy who took Kansas past Rutgers?
Latest flavor. It too, may pass. But even if it doesn't.. we are on our own path. Lets make that work.
You are bringing up two examples where the coach brought the QB, which are vastly outnumbered by the instances of schools getting QBs with no previous connection.
I posted this above with regards to transfers.
Like 12 from JMU and I think 23 transfers overall. I think their qb Rourke was from Ohio Univ. and I think was MAC player of the year two years ago but then got hurt and schools got scared off because of that.
Also Allen did well thanks to DeBoer and Wommack…once they left his performance went down. He’s a solid DC though. There’s a reason Penix went to UW to renuite with DeBoer. Allen was 2-10, 4-8, 3-9 overall and 0-9, 2-7, 1-8 in conference so I doubt there was much left behind as much as Cignetti has injected some new talent from the portal and changed the mindset of those left.
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Cignetti is showing that he is a great hire, and IU should enjoy success for a while. But it won’t be long before he moves on to a bigger profile job.
Rourke has been a good find for them thus far. He had 2 consecutive passes for INTs against Maryland but otherwise he's been doing a nice job at this point. This is his last year of eligibility though, so CC would have to find a suitable replacement if he's still there.
Ummm.. I am talking about the OP case.. Indiana.. as well. I am saying, yeah, that new coach brought his QB with him... same with Deion.
I'll bottom-line it for you.. it is fine to be jealous of programs that turn things around quickly with an offensive guru head coach hire that brings in a perfect QB, however he does it. It would be nice to be the lucky program that has this happen.. and, given how many programs hire new head coaches each year and how few experience this.. I would call it luck. Not luck necessarily for teh coach that was hired.. but luck for teh people doing the hiring.. who probably had other candidates nearly convince them they were the best choice.
Notice no P4 hired Cignetti as HC before he had his success at JMU. No one saw how obvious a choice he was. BTW.. while we busy hiring Ash.. I suggested we should plan for LUCK and I listed the top offensive lower level HCs and OCs in the nation and suggested we could hire them cheaply and churn them until we got "lucky" with one.
I am not adverse to the idea of the offensive guru. I just think we need to stay the course NOW.. and get the program to a very healthy place and THEN go find an offensive guru when we can afford to hire and RETAIN one. Getting one who will just jump to another program or the NFL after some flash-in-the-pan success could actually be harmful if he harms the underlying qualities of the program in doing so.
People jealously focus on immediate great success without considering the future outcomes. They also do not consider how their zeal to throw away our current head coach could harm our program in the short and long terms.
I've been as big a proponent of offense offense offense as you'll find and thinking it's the avenue with the most potential to overachieve your status on the landscape. I still believe it.
However, I think the change in the clock rules the last couple years allows for a keep away, keep lots of possession style to work better than previously when the clock would stop more often.
The Indiana has passed us by- The same thing could have been said in 2012 by these schools about us
auburn
Arky
Miss St.
Tenn
Mizzu
Utah
USC
Washington
Iowa
Mich
Wisc
PSU
WVU
Tex Tech
TCU
Okl St.
VT
NC
NC St
Mia
GaTech
and many more
auburn
Arky
Miss St.
Tenn
Mizzu
Utah
USC
Washington
Iowa
Mich
Wisc
PSU
WVU
Tex Tech
TCU
Okl St.
VT
NC
NC St
Mia
GaTech
and many more
This is such a weird take given that they haven't played anyone this year as talented as Washington, VT or Nebraska. Let's wait until then. Even if this is a breakout year for them, dont you need to sustain more than one year to declare the program has passed us by?
So familiar-- grass is always greener crowd after a loss. Man our fans are fickle.
Nice interview with CC. He may be a little brash/confident but there's also a down to earth straightforwardness whenever I hear him too. It'll be interesting to see how they do as the schedule beefs up.
Wait a doggone second. A team in the B1G might be better than RU this year? This is just the kind of information that the internet was made for. Many thanks.
Remember when Syracuse passed RU by when Babers was there? Remember when UConn passed RU under Rockin' Randy Edsall? Remember when Indiana passed RU a few years ago when Penix was their QB and DeBoer was the OC? Let it play out.
For a transfer QB to have a substantial impact, he has to be in an offense that throws the ball and is imaginative scheme wise in that area. I sincerely hope that there's more to KC's playbook than I've seen.
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