If Pikiell gets fired, Schiano should go with him

[Rutgers1987]

Disclaimer: I do not want Schiano or Pikiell fired. This thread is in response to the many jackasses currently calling for Pikiell to be dismissed.

Steve Pikiell is the only coach to take Rutgers men's basketball to the NCAA Tournament in the past 30 years, and he did it twice. Actually three times since the 2020 tournament was cancelled due to COVID. RU was 100% in the field that year.

By comparison, Rutgers football has never played in a notable bowl let alone for a national championship under Greg Schiano's watch. Every bowl we've played in has been lower tier and there have been several disappointing seasons including the current one. So, if Steve Pikiell gets fired, Greg Schiano absolutely must go with him. Pikiell has accomplished far more in terms of wins and losses at RU than Schiano and it's really not even close.

Again, I don't want either coach fired. I just hope those of you calling for this to happen to Pikiell realize how ridiculous you sound. Go RU!

 

[Ridge 22]

The jobs are not comparable. Greg's lift is notably more difficult. Get over it already.

 

[rucoe89]

Disclaimer: I do not want Schiano or Pikiell fired. This thread is in response to the many jackasses currently calling for Pikiell to be dismissed.

Steve Pikiell is the only coach to take Rutgers men's basketball to the NCAA Tournament in the past 30 years, and he did it twice. Actually three times since the 2020 tournament was cancelled due to COVID. RU was 100% in the field that year.

By comparison, Rutgers football has never played in a notable bowl let alone for a national championship under Greg Schiano's watch. Every bowl we've played in has been lower tier and there have been several disappointing seasons including the current one. So, if Steve Pikiell gets fired, Greg Schiano absolutely must go with him. Pikiell has accomplished far more in terms of wins and losses at RU than Schiano and it's really not even close.

Again, I don't want either coach fired. I just hope those of you calling for this to happen to Pikiell realize how ridiculous you sound. Go RU!

False equivalency. Basketball rebuilds and opportunities to win are different than football. Does not let Schiano off the hook, but they definitely are not tied together.

 

[fatsam98]

I'll bite.

Two programs seemingly headed in opposite directions is not the same thing at all.

For the record I'm not calling for him to be fired either. But if this season is a failure (which at this point it's hard to see how it's not), and next season is much of the same, you're gonna be in the minority with this "but he took us to a couple of tournaments!" bit.

 

[RUBlackout]

So we should settle for .500 season in football just to make a bowl game?

So we should settle for NCAA invites being on the bubble on those two occasions(one of which was a play in game to get in the tournament and we lost).

the settling on the mediocrity above is typical of our RU fanbase. We are good with settling and have mid level success of ANY kind.
Schiano has been the one touting for national championships and raised those expectations himself. Is he wrong in having those aspirations? I think any coach wants to go out there and win every game. We as fans don’t coach or play in those games and we should be striving for the same.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Both have buyouts right??????

So how realisticly can both go unless a magic $ falls from the sky.....and maybe that magic $ should go to playing players over firing coaches.

 

[AshCatchEm]

One has a healthy program with trajectory/recruiting going up and the other is in a toxic deathspiral while he recruits like he is Monmouth university

 

[biazza38]

Please show me the two top 5-10 picks on the football roster. I’ll wait. I cannot emphasize this enough. Having Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey is a once in a lifetime situation and you’re gonna compare the job GS has done to what Pike is currently doing?
I loved Pike early on. Very impressive he got us out of the gutter, but what we’re watching is a joke.

 

[cRURah]

Apples to oranges argument. Different sports, different coaches, different trajectories, different NIL, different roster builds, different impact of transfer portal, etc.

 

[Shelby65]

Please show me the two top 5-10 picks on the football roster. I’ll wait. I cannot emphasize this enough. Having Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey is a once in a lifetime situation and you’re gonna compare the job GS has done to what Pike is currently doing?
I loved Pike early on. Very impressive he got us out of the gutter, but what we’re watching is a joke.

Shelby would happily walk a mile in hot tar if Schiano got canned. The ceiling of Under .500 conference seasons isn’t good enough. And while it’s tougher to maintain a solid football roster than a top basketball roster, it’s tougher for the other football programs too.

 

[biazza38]

Shelby would happily walk a mile in hot tar if Schiano got canned. The ceiling of Under .500 conference seasons isn’t good enough. And while it’s tougher to maintain a solid football roster than a top basketball roster, it’s tougher for the other football programs too.

Again, GS does not have what Pike has. You’re also knocking Schiano at an awful time. This program was left for dead when he took over and it’s actually on an upward trajectory. You cannot possibly think what we’re watching with the basketball team is even remotely the same.
Side note, Schiano actually also figured out the portal and can get B1G quality players. Meanwhile, our biggest portal get for bball can barely see action against PSU
If you can’t win with Harper and Ace Bailey, you’re pretty much toast in the NIL world

 

[Roy_Faulker]

And while it’s tougher to maintain a solid football roster than a top basketball roster, it’s tougher for the other football programs too.

Is it really tougher when other teams have a multimillion war chest and sugar daddy boosters…Give Schiano Michigan money and I think we’d be pleasantly surprised at what he could accomplish.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Again, GS does not have what Pike has. You’re also knocking Schiano at an awful time. This program was left for dead when he took over and it’s actually on an upward trajectory. You cannot possibly think what we’re watching with the basketball team is even remotely the same.
Side note, Schiano actually also figured out the portal and can get B1G quality players. Meanwhile, our biggest portal get for bball can barely see action against PSU

I'd take experience over talent if given the choice.

 

[NickRU714]

Figured this would come up. Kn a couple other threads people were hinting at comparing HC Pike's accomplishments against HC Schiano.

The issue isn't comparing accomplishments (arguably HC Pike has more).

Currently football is at worst on a mediocre plateau. Is that plateau lower than it should be? Perhaps - that's up for debate. But we've made back to back bowls.
If we won 4 games this year then it would be a similar situation.

Basketball appears to be going backwards over the past 3-4 years.
That doesn't diminish or minimize earlier success or accomplishments.
But it's not really the same as footballs current state.

 

[biazza38]

I'd take experience over talent if given the choice.

Such a flawed statement. Ace and Dylan aren’t the problem. Our problem is the guys we brought in with “experience” are not B1G players.

 

[socaldave]

Disclaimer: I do not want Schiano or Pikiell fired. This thread is in response to the many jackasses currently calling for Pikiell to be dismissed.

Steve Pikiell is the only coach to take Rutgers men's basketball to the NCAA Tournament in the past 30 years, and he did it twice. Actually three times since the 2020 tournament was cancelled due to COVID. RU was 100% in the field that year.

By comparison, Rutgers football has never played in a notable bowl let alone for a national championship under Greg Schiano's watch. Every bowl we've played in has been lower tier and there have been several disappointing seasons including the current one. So, if Steve Pikiell gets fired, Greg Schiano absolutely must go with him. Pikiell has accomplished far more in terms of wins and losses at RU than Schiano and it's really not even close.

Again, I don't want either coach fired. I just hope those of you calling for this to happen to Pikiell realize how ridiculous you sound. Go RU!

This post is a total Fade!

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Such a flawed statement. Ace and Dylan aren’t the problem. Our problem is the guys we brought in with “experience” are not B1G players.

NOT TRUE......Ace is a big part of this mess. We have been better offensively without him. He hasn't been good on the defensive end either.

Is Ace making others better offensively.......ABSOLUTELY NOT. Has he been efficient when he has the ball in his hands. NO!

59 players has played 60% of available minutes in B1G
Ace is 54th in offensive rating
Ace is 58th in assist rating
Ace is 42nd in effective FG%
Ace is 45th in free throw rate
Ace is 7th in usage rate though

 

[RUskoolie]

Reminds me of the people who thought C Viv should not get fired because she had a good team pre iphones so instead we let her put the WBB program in an escapable black hole.

 

[rucoe89]

Figured this would come up. Kn a couple other threads people were hinting at comparing HC Pike's accomplishments against HC Schiano.

The issue isn't comparing accomplishments (arguably HC Pike has more).

Currently football is at worst on a mediocre plateau. Is that plateau lower than it should be? Perhaps - that's up for debate. But we've made back to back bowls.
If we won 4 games this year then it would be a similar situation.

Basketball appears to be going backwards over the past 3-4 years.
That doesn't diminish or minimize earlier success or accomplishments.
But it's not really the same as footballs current state.

Pikiell has more? Please. Only 2 NCAA appearances in 8 years and one was a play in. Schiano had an epic rebuild the first time and a pretty big rebuild the second time and at least he did, and now is, working on developing expectations of getting us to bowls regularly. We can't even get expectation of NCAAs regularly in basketball, which most observers would say is an easier rebuild opportunity.

 

[Shelby65]

Again, GS does not have what Pike has. You’re also knocking Schiano at an awful time. This program was left for dead when he took over and it’s actually on an upward trajectory. You cannot possibly think what we’re watching with the basketball team is even remotely the same.
Side note, Schiano actually also figured out the portal and can get B1G quality players. Meanwhile, our biggest portal get for bball can barely see action against PSU
If you can’t win with Harper and Ace Bailey, you’re pretty much toast in the NIL world

Upward trajectory ? 3-6 to 4-5 via not playing any of the 4 B1G playoff teams or Michigan ? Upward trajectory Shelby’s arse.

Shelby hopes you remember your opinion next year at this time.

Schiano’s excuses are endless.

Sure, we all expected better from this hoops team. This roster missed. Pike is to blame. Yes. But he’s shown he’s a good coach. He can beat top teams. Schiano can’t.

Schiano will still have fans defending him in 2030 despite never being .500 in the league.

 

[biazza38]

NOT TRUE......Ace is a big part of this mess. We have been better offensively without him. He hasn't been good on the defensive end either.

Is Ace making others better offensively.......ABSOLUTELY NOT. Has he been efficient when he has the ball in his hands. NO!

59 players has played 60% of available minutes in B1G
Ace is 54th in offensive rating
Ace is 58th in assist rating
Ace is 42nd in effective FG%
Ace is 45th in free throw rate
Ace is 7th in usage rate though

Ace’s offensive efficiency numbers are poor because we do nothing on offense to create open looks forcing him and Dylan to do everything. Almost all of his shots come from iso ball. If you think Ace is even remotely close to one of our biggest problems, then I don’t know what else to tell you.

 

[RUBlackout]

Is it really tougher when other teams have a multimillion war chest and sugar daddy boosters…Give Schiano Michigan money and I think we’d be pleasantly surprised at what he could accomplish.

Do you really believe this?? What you are stating is that Schiano could buy better players with more money and his teams would improve....

I find that hard to believe even Pre-NIL when we had a team full of NFL players in 2007 and failed to make a NYE bowl game. He had the likes of Huggins and Hamilton committing here and how did that all pan out?

I really do like Schiano and what he has done for this program/school in terms of being the CEO of our Football Program. His gameday coaching is questionable. Similar to Pike we feel like we can compete in any game. I have just seen coaches do more with less "star" players. Thing is our fans are jaded because any bit of success gets clouded by our poor history.

 

[biazza38]

Upward trajectory ? 3-6 to 4-5 via not playing any of the 4 B1G playoff teams or Michigan ? Upward trajectory Shelby’s arse.

Shelby hopes you remember your opinion next year at this time.

Schiano’s excuses are endless.

Sure, we all expected better from this hoops team. This roster missed. Pike is to blame. Yes. But he’s shown he’s a good coach. He can beat top teams. Schiano can’t.

Schiano will still have fans defending him in 2030 despite never being .500 in the league.

Can’t be that good of a coach if he has two lottery picks and won’t make the tournament.

 

[rume]

Disclaimer: I do not want Schiano or Pikiell fired. This thread is in response to the many jackasses currently calling for Pikiell to be dismissed.

Steve Pikiell is the only coach to take Rutgers men's basketball to the NCAA Tournament in the past 30 years, and he did it twice. Actually three times since the 2020 tournament was cancelled due to COVID. RU was 100% in the field that year.

By comparison, Rutgers football has never played in a notable bowl let alone for a national championship under Greg Schiano's watch. Every bowl we've played in has been lower tier and there have been several disappointing seasons including the current one. So, if Steve Pikiell gets fired, Greg Schiano absolutely must go with him. Pikiell has accomplished far more in terms of wins and losses at RU than Schiano and it's really not even close.

Again, I don't want either coach fired. I just hope those of you calling for this to happen to Pikiell realize how ridiculous you sound. Go RU!

Covid year a tournament year🤣

 

[Shelby65]

Ace’s offensive efficiency numbers are poor because we do nothing on offense to create open looks forcing him and Dylan to do everything. Almost all of his shots come from iso ball. If you think Ace is even remotely close to one of our biggest problems, then I don’t know what else to tell you.

Agree. The rest of the roster with the exception of Williams is a random collection of unsold, spoiled Thanksgiving turkeys.

Last year Griffiths and this year Bailey. Get it ? Nevermind GG’s situation now, last year he was in a hopeless situation. Bailey is in the same boat and if he weren’t a lottery pick he’d enter the portal after this year too.

 

[kt124]

the big difference is that schiano has had a successful last 2 seasons (including this one), while pikiell is in the midst of three straight disappointing seasons

 

[Shelby65]

Can’t be that good of a coach if he has two lottery picks and won’t make the tournament.

Disagree. The miss was on the roster, not the coaching. It’s Harper, Bailey, Williams and a bunch of weak players. That’s the issue, period. Pike’s fault, yes. But not an Xs and Os thing.

 

[seansherm]

Please show me the two top 5-10 picks on the football roster. I’ll wait. I cannot emphasize this enough. Having Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey is a once in a lifetime situation and you’re gonna compare the job GS has done to what Pike is currently doing?
I loved Pike early on. Very impressive he got us out of the gutter, but what we’re watching is a joke.

You are criticizing Pike for recruiting top talent that Schiano hasn't and using it against him in a comparison of the two?

 

[biazza38]

You are criticizing Pike for recruiting top talent that Schiano hasn't and using it against him in a comparison of the two?

you realize the recruits were landed because of outside NIL money that had nothing to do with Pike

 

[seansherm]

I'd take experience over talent if given the choice.

THIS. Very few freshman lead their teams anywhere on their own.

 

[seansherm]

you realize the recruits were landed because of outside NIL money that had nothing to do with Pike

That makes it even more impressive. They didn't come here because of NIL we provided, they came because they wanted to play for Pike and could have gotten the $ anywhere. I'm just saying you can't use the he has top talent against him, he recruited it.
I said earlier in the year, having the two may not be great overall. Sometimes it's hard enough when you have one guy who wants to be the man. When one of them needs the ball, the other then will force things.

 

[Shelby65]

you realize the recruits were landed because of outside NIL money that had nothing to do with Pike

LoL. They could have gone elsewhere and got the same outside NIL. They wanted to play for Pike.

 

[goldaxis]

How has Pike accomplished more?

 

[seansherm]

How has Pike accomplished more?

Neither of them have really accomplished much overall. Both took programs amongst the worst in the country and made them middle of the road. Pike has at least had big wins (yes, easier in hoops) and been above .500 in conference.

 

[Shelby65]

THIS. Very few freshman lead their teams anywhere on their own.

Shows how good Carmelo Anthony was, but he also had a good PG.

Harper is great, but I don’t think he’s much of a PG in the traditional sense.

Will say again. Look at last year’s roster. Who did Griffiths have around him. Oskar, Simpson, Woolfolk, Davis and other detritus.

Bailey more talented than Griffiths but the point is the same. Past the top 3 this roster is terrible and last year was even worse.

 

[NickRU714]

Reminds me of the people who thought C Viv should not get fired because she had a good team pre iphones so instead we let her put the WBB program in an escapable black hole.

This is a good reminder - independent of Schiano/Pike.

Just because a coach was great and accomplished grest things in the past, doesn't mean they are above criticism or evaluation of the current state of the program.

C Viv took us to the championship game - something Pike/Schiano have never come close to.

Head Coaches are evaluated on the current state of the program and direction/trajectory.
You can account for past accomplishments but every year they get further and further removed from the current program.

 

[superfan01]

Can we also get rid of @RUGiddy777 while we're at it? Remember this is the guy who idolized Diddy and was forced to change his board handle by the mods.

 

[Ridge 22]

Shows how good Carmelo Anthony was, but he also had a good PG.

Harper is great, but I don’t think he’s much of a PG in the traditional sense.

Will say again. Look at last year’s roster. Who did Griffiths have around him. Oskar, Simpson, Woolfolk, Davis and other detritus.

Bailey more talented than Griffiths but the point is the same. Past the top 3 this roster is terrible.

Dylan is the best player to ever play here. Not even close. Wish it were longer and he had some help. It's close to 1 on 5 at times

 

[goldaxis]

Neither of them have really accomplished much overall. Both took programs amongst the worst in the country and made them middle of the road. Pike has at least had big wins (yes, easier in hoops) and been above .500 in conference.

So Greg helping us get into the Big 10 is nothing?

 

[satnom]

Upward trajectory ? 3-6 to 4-5 via not playing any of the 4 B1G playoff teams or Michigan ? Upward trajectory Shelby’s arse.

Shelby hopes you remember your opinion next year at this time.

Schiano’s excuses are endless.

Sure, we all expected better from this hoops team. This roster missed. Pike is to blame. Yes. But he’s shown he’s a good coach. He can beat top teams. Schiano can’t.

Schiano will still have fans defending him in 2030 despite never being .500 in the league.

Shelby no likey Gregey because RU no playey in CFP even though RU program be betterey than in the pastey and he likey refer to himselfey in third personey.

GO RUey