I wouldn’t go that far just yet after a dozen games or so…best to ever play here. But there are very, very few in the discussion along with him.
If Pikiell gets fired, Schiano should go with him
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There’s nothing impressive with what’s happening now. Pike does not land Ace Bailey without NIL support. I’m pointing this out because if Schiano or any other coach for that matter got the golden parachute that Pike received they would not be in this mess. Pike surrounded two lottery picks with sub B1G players. That’s why I’m pointing it out.
And no, we really would not be better without Ace.
No. Randy Edsall has more conference championships and if Schiano’s program were located anywhere else on the planet we would not be in the Big10.
Low bar isn't his fault. The shame of it is the lack of talent around him. Rutgers has never seen a player like Dylan who can create his own shot at will. Geo showed signs of it early, and then completely lost it. Dylan is on another level. His teammates, including Ace, not so much
LMAO
Man shut up, you probably go to sleep everyday thinking about Schiano you obsessed weird little troll
All true. Best in a long, long time. But am not ready to call him the best ever. And defense should matter to the analysis too.
show Shelby what was incorrect ? Does the same resume get Cincinatti or WVU into the Big10 (two more programs that do have conference championships with Schiano's team in the league, btw) but I'll do you a favor and overlook that small little fact in your 'he got us in' fantasy.
maybe some of that is on Ace....he doesn't work hard off the ball....the sets we have he doesnt make hard cuts...he jogs to where he needs to be
Greg has always been subpar. Pike on the other hand, just simply got crushed by the NIL era. Schiano showed how underwhelming he
is, with a star studded Ohio St defense. Ohio st couldn't wait to get rid of him.
Pike for all his flaws, give him the keys to Kansas roster, I doubt he'd be the failure, the Schiano was at Ohio st
is, with a star studded Ohio St defense. Ohio st couldn't wait to get rid of him.
Pike for all his flaws, give him the keys to Kansas roster, I doubt he'd be the failure, the Schiano was at Ohio st
Did I not just say he helped us get in, not that he’s the sole reason we got in? I know it hurts you in your soul that Schiano helped us get into the Big 10, regardless of not winning a conference championship, but that’s just a fact you can’t ignore.
Funny, this team could really use Oskar - but, agree, the team is poorly constructed
So the best thing he's done has nothing to do with on the field play? Greg's been great, when compared to Rutgers. Not great when compared to the rest of the sport.
The roster around the kids is a different story, but thus far Greg and Pike are pretty similar with their portal strategies too. It's MOSTLY lower level guys making a step up in competition and hope it works. It hasn't for Pike this year. It didn't really for Greg with his O lineman this year, maybe even his d lineman falls into that category. Miller did work out. Greg has the benefit of not only having his freshman for one year, it's a different animal. Would you be happy with Ian Strong if you only had him for his freshman year of 9 catches or whatever it was.
I didn't say we would be better without Ace, so not sure where that came from. There is no way of knowing what the roster would look like without him.
I feel like that has been an off the ball trait to our teams for a few years now. We said the same about GG last year.
Greg was like 4 games under .500 in Big East conference play his last five years here, you think that got us invited to the Big Ten?
Pikiell has talked about a place in his office for a BIG Ten Championship trophy and also a NCAA Tournament Championship trophy.
So now people want pike fired? Lol really? Don't take them seriously, I just scroll by those posts. Have to stop paying attention to trolls and people that just want to make "hot takes" because they are bored...
Greg has gotten guys who have played at the P5 level.
Flip Dixon Minny
Aaron Lewis Minny
Dwomfour UMich
Aaron Cruikshank Wisco
Athan Minny
Iton Ole Miss
Our DT from FSU this year.
This is only some of the players we’ve gotten in the portal.
Yes, both guys are getting players from the lower levels because we can’t compete for the tier 1 guys (NIL), but I definitely would not say Greg “hopes” it pans out. He has been so much better in the portal. Now part of that may have to do with the possibility of there being a higher percentage of game ready players in the football portal. So that helps.
Not really sure where you’re going with the Strong comment. Are you trying to say Greg has the benefit of developing Strong that Pike doesn’t with Ace and Harper because they are one and dones? What are you saying? You’re comparing 5 star top 3 players to a 3 star WR. You basically just pointed out that Pike received the benefit of getting two pro ready players while Greg and co are turning Strong into one
As for the Ace comments, you said something about it “may not be better” having two stars and something about having to share the ball. I don’t know if you were insinuating that having two superstars is too much. But that’s how it came across
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That’s literally not true?
2007 - 3-4
2008 - 5-2
2009 - 3-4
2010 - 1-6
2011 - 4-3
We know what happened in 2010 so I’m not sure if you really want to count that
But, he had two other seasons below .500 in conference play his last five seasons here
The other two was above .500
What’s the point of lying, why is it hard for you two to understand that if it wasn’t for Greg having success during his first time we would be in the AAC right now
I think you can make this statement if Schiano had 9 starters who were going in the top three rounds of the NFL Draft next year. If Schiano had these 9 starters and lost 7 games this year so as not to make a bowl, then I would agree.
Pikiell has two lottery picks in his starting 5 and can't beat Princeton at a neutral site. I want Pikiell to succeed but if he proves he can't at least make it to the NCAAs with the talent he has, when will he be able to make it?
Pike will make the NCAAs when we go back in time and coaches are able to build tough defensive-minded programs with under-the-radar kids who develop over time. Unfortunately, that time has passed.
Most people knew it would be a question of whether Pike would be able to adapt to the new reality of constructing a team from the transfer portal and NIL, and coaching them to success.
With 4 of his typical high school recruits coming in next year, his continued inability to benefit from the portal, this year’s frankenroster mix of 2 lottery picks with mid-major talent (at best), and his insistence on running an offense based solely on ISOs, unless he somehow pulls a rabbit out of his hat, he’s already answered the question.
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Yeah, I said lower levels for the most part. Greg's had some P5 success, so has Pike, Young from Texas, Hyatt from LSU, ect. Their strategies, and probably success rates, are similar, my only point there.
With Strong, I'm just saying Pike isn't going to get a chance to develop an Ace whereas Greg knows he gets time w his freshman, he can slow play development a bit. Pike cant. 5 star freshman are still just freshman, and I thought there was little chance both our kids would be college superstars year 1. Ace's high ranking was always based on the future and his potential. Tried saying he may have trouble adapting to structure and team game. Even with that, he's still been an above average scorer, and has improved his rebounding and D a bit.
I don't think either guy should be on a hot seat. Pike has done a bad job building this year's team, hopefully he learns from it.
Isn't the coach responsible for the lack of talent around him? Sorry if that's just crazy talk.
Yes, it counts, but 2 above in a watered down conference over 4 if you remove it, still isn't doing much of anything but becoming middle of the road, as I said.
I think that is a freshman thing......
Some are killing Pike for not "running an offense". More than 55% of our usage is Dylan and Ace....I get the sense Ace is learning how to play in a structured offense. I think Dylan is more used to it as he was coached better in HS and had to do things off the ball as he wasn't the point guard.
I understand what you’re saying with Strong and Ace. That’s a ridiculous comparison. Any coach could be so lucky to receive a player who is NFL/NBA ready as a freshman
If 16 percent of the football team's roster were first round picks and we lost to an Ivy league school I would agree with you.
Even a better percent would be 40% of the starters being first round draft picks. That is what Pike has. 40% of a football team's starters is 10 players. 16 Percent of the football team is 17 players.
If schiano had 17 first or second round draft picks and had the season he had he should be on the hot seat.
Even a better percent would be 40% of the starters being first round draft picks. That is what Pike has. 40% of a football team's starters is 10 players. 16 Percent of the football team is 17 players.
If schiano had 17 first or second round draft picks and had the season he had he should be on the hot seat.
Kind of my point, Ace isn't necessarily ready even though he'll be a top draft pick. He's more NBA ready than college ready. There is no D in NBA until the playoffs. College it's there most nights.
How did Greg do year one w 5 star Huggins, Hamilton, Jones, or Robinson? Only Davis of our top 5 recruits made any difference early in.
Hamilton never played under Greg. Flood was his coach. As for the others, those are pretty silly because again, Ace is a future top 5-10 lottery pick. The guys you’re comparing him to were not ranked 3 in their class. A better comparison would be to let’s say 1 year of Travis Hunter and Sanders
1st of all we run an offense.....it is flat out silly and wrong. Anyone who watches and goes to games know and can see there is constant interaction between staff and players.
having said that....with 2 guys that we want to have the ball in their hands sometimes a structure of running an offense makes players that can create less important.
Do we really want to run an offense that gets wide open shots for JaMike, Derkack and JWill on the perimeter? Unfortunately we really want to get Harper and Bailey good shots.
having said that....with 2 guys that we want to have the ball in their hands sometimes a structure of running an offense makes players that can create less important.
Do we really want to run an offense that gets wide open shots for JaMike, Derkack and JWill on the perimeter? Unfortunately we really want to get Harper and Bailey good shots.
College basketball and the NBA are 2 different sports. Ace is NBA ready, but he isn't college basketball ready. Ace may be #2 NBA pick but there are probably 300 college basketball players I'd rather have on my team
Honestly probably agree, not sure any are good comps, other than QB, the nfl draft is usually much more on production whereas the nba draft is potential.
Hunters a generational two way talent, he had 9 more catches his freshman year than Strong the 3 star did.
You’re smarter than this. Basketball and football are completely different and the two lottery picks are babies playing veterans.
None of those football recruits were rated as highly as Dylan or Ace. That's not a good comparison. Dylan may be one of the top 10 players in college basketball right now.
He’s not NBA ready either. Not even close. 6’9” 200 lbs soaking wet with no left hand is not NBA ready.
He’ll go high for potential alone and won’t have an impact for 2 years at least.
