I think he would look more NBA ready surrounded by more talent or in a coherent offensive system.
If Pikiell gets fired, Schiano should go with him
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If 40% of Schianos starters were first round picks and he finished 5-7 (equivalent of not dancing) then yes, folks would be rightfully calling for his job.
Bball and football are also totally different sports so youll see far more upsets in bball. Every tourney we see a 13 or 14 seed upset a 3 or 4 seed.
Heres an example, oakland as a 14 seed beat kentucky as a 3 seed last year. Oakland was ranked 138 in kenpom and kentucky was ranked 17 going into that game. That would be the equivalent according to espn fpi rankings this season in football of LSU #17 losing to an FCS school considering there are only 134 fbs teams. If we wanna use the #134 FBS team it’d be 0-12 kent state. Those things dont happen in football.
You mean like the Ohio St defense, that Greg was in charge of? He got fish fried, and ran out of town. They were stacked, and he was still cooked up. That's why he crawled back to Rutgers.. No onw else wanted him. Pike phone would ring off the hook - if him and Rutgers parted ways
who would be calling him? bucknell and fairfield?
Pikiell didn't do a great job last year either. Sure Cam and Paul left but part of Pikiell's job was to keep close tabs on his best players. When they left the people he brought over were subpar (Fernandez) and he didn't develop the roster folks effectively (Simpson, Wolfolk, Chol). He did a fine job of playing them up just like he did Souf Mensah.
Agree with you. He’ll go in the lottery but won’t have an impact for a while. Lots of potential but nowhere near ready.
And let's not forget the multiple players Schiano has sent to the NFL, including several who went in later rounds
Where is this second team Ace plays on ? Is that even allowed ? The Rutgers team sure as hell isn’t a structured offense. He’s not learning anything. It’s streetball. If you took the same starters off the street and they never played together before this is what you’d see.
Last year was no different. Williams, JaMiss and DSelfish. Holy Mother of God was there a less structured and less team oriented backcourt in the country ? No. Once Spencer left the year before it turned into shot hunting free-for-all. Only Noah had any interest in passing, sometimes.
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agreed they are very different sports. Basketball it is easier to bring in 1-2 players and make an impactful difference.
Ace isn't really even good now at the college level. He shows instances of brilliance, but his game is raw and he is woefully underdeveloped in every aspect. It's all just freaky raw skills that outshine the flaws at times. He will get drafted high because of the talent and I hope he eventually crushes it. We will just never really experience it here.
Our offensive system or really lack thereof does him zero favors.
Agree with that. Ace is a physical freak. He is thriving in spite of the lack of offensive system.
Maybe it suits him better, especially with multiple low rent teammates on the court with him.
Dylan can overcome it because he can create his own shot and is constantly playing downhill. Ace has some shooting ability but settles for off balance mid range jumpers too often. Agree he would benefit with actual plays run to set him up. Otherwise he should just learn to drive the hoop every play
This would mean that 6-6 in football is the same as dancing in basketball. Or that making a bowl game is equivalent to making the tournament. Neither of these are reality,
For example, you can get to 6-6 in football by beating 3 pasties in September and then going 3-6 in conference the rest of the season.
That math doesn’t work in basketball. If you win 1/3rd of your conference games you have no shot at making the tournament.
Making a bowl game is definitely easier than making the tournament.
Is it though? For example the last season we made the tourney in 2022 9 teams in the B1G danced. Likewise 9 teams bowled.
Bowling is probably a tad easier. So making the tourney is more like a 6-6 big ten team with a solid out of conference win or a 7-5 big ten team beating 3 MAC schools out of conference. B1G football is significantly better than B1G bball too. B1G bball is kinda ass
Fig will never see it any other way. He didn’t like having ace and Dylan here from the start (inexplicably) thus…
All of his arguments will be to support his initial view .
Just watch
If I was vegas id be setting it at 5.5. Brutal schedule
While Pike has recruited several great players, it really doesn't mean anything unless you win. I would argue GS has his program on more of an upward trajectory. My only knock on him is the way he left the first time. IMO he's more of a teacher, leader, and disciplinarian - maybe Pike more of a motivator. Given the choice I'll take the former.
Give Pike the keys to the Kansas roster, UCLA, MSU, Duke, NC, and 50 other schools, and he would under perform relative to the coaches already there.
Fair comparisons between Greg and Pike can be made with regard to game prep, gameday coaching, loyalty to (sometimes underperforming) players, and elevating their programs from the depths of despair.
Can’t fairly compare the two sports when it comes to recruiting, development, and post-season invites.
Can’t fairly compare the two sports when it comes to recruiting, development, and post-season invites.
Bailey is a top pick because of potential not production. An Ivy League football team is not beating Rutgers in football regardless of how many first round players Rutgers has on the football team. These kind of upsets call it a 15-1 even 12-5 seed upset happen all the time in basketball. They don’t happen in football which is the main reason it’s a stupid comparison. Finally in basketball the experience is hugely important. I remember Chris Mullins as freshman coming into the rac and getting beat. That was the last time they lost to Rutgers. Mullins said the next year “we were babies”. That’s what this team is and that’s why they aren’t closing these out right now. Pike will be in the hotseat next year if we are mediocre again. This year no.
I love that we’ve hit the point of bashing Ace Bailey. His college comp is Jabari Smith. Here are both of their stats. Yes, Smith had less minutes per game and better TO numbers, but this idea of him not producing is starting to get funny. The difference is Smith played a good team with good players around him so every time he made a mistake he didn’t have fans saying ridiculous things such as him not being college ready like others have on this board
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I have zero idea what people actually expected out of Ace. He's been around what we should have desired.I love that we’ve hit the point of bashing Ace Bailey. His college comp is Jabari Smith. Here are both of their stats. Yes, Smith had less minutes per game and better TO numbers, but this idea of him not producing is starting to get funny. The difference is Smith played a good team with good players around him so every time he made a mistake he didn’t have fans saying ridiculous things such as him not being college ready like others have on this board
Jabari Smith Jr. Career Stats - NCAAM - ESPN
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What?
Randal you just proved you’re not paying attention.
Considering all of the injuries Greg actually managed to pull out a decent season
it was actually somewhat impressive how they managed to salvage the season after the mid-season swoon
Granted no one on the football board is waving their Pom poms but those actually paying attention on the football side realize that the coaches did a pretty decent job pulling this team together
Again, reason to celebrate? No
But “most disappointing in 20 years”? Nah
If it was truly the “most disappointing seasons in 20 years” there would be a chorus of people on the football board calling for Greg’s head. But you don’t. Why? Again, considering the injuries, he actually did a pretty good job this year.
So even his critics (and he probably has more than pike) aren’t calling for his head
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I’m not bashing him.I love that we’ve hit the point of bashing Ace Bailey. His college comp is Jabari Smith. Here are both of their stats. Yes, Smith had less minutes per game and better TO numbers, but this idea of him not producing is starting to get funny. The difference is Smith played a good team with good players around him so every time he made a mistake he didn’t have fans saying ridiculous things such as him not being college ready like others have on this board
Jabari Smith Jr. Career Stats - NCAAM - ESPN
Complete career NCAAM stats for the Auburn Tigers Power Forward Jabari Smith Jr. on ESPN. Includes points, rebounds, and assists.
Ace Bailey - Rutgers Scarlet Knights Guard - ESPN
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Good thing they haven't missed a bowl 3 years in a row like pike will with the tournament. You gonna waste your time watching these games this year?
Very bad comparison.
Making the tourney is MUCH harder than making a low level bowl.
Just sayin
Football is not on a plateau. Schiano's 5 seasons are 3 5 4 7 and soon to be 8.
Normally I agree on your takes but I think you are way off base on Ace. Where to begin:
1) He’s playing 5-7 minutes a game out of position at the 5. That’s going to impact his efficiency numbers.
2) He’s making 45.8% of his shots and 33.3% of his 3s. Are you implying he should sit because of those numbers? How many times did Geo or Ron do better than that? I’ll wait. By Rutgers standards these are actually pretty good numbers. His FT shooting has been disappointing and brings down his overall efficiency but we’re not going to sit him because of this.
3) He didn’t even play against 2 of the cupcakes and is still averaging 17.6 ppg and 7.6 rpg. Even if you tried to argue that Dylan Grant or someone else might be better on D it seems a stretch to imagine him being better on the glass. And the offense would be night and day.
People are reaching with Ace right now and it’s comical how they’re just shrugging their shoulders at 17.6 ppg or the fact that he can take and make every show on the court despite being covered
Yea was so easy to make a bowl over the last decade. Anyone with half a brain can see football recruiting and development are miles ahead of where basketball is right now
