I'm very jealous of UConn and their new rivalry game
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Here is a link to their board about this. I feel sorry for them. There is serious loser talk going on. Being stuck in the acc would be unimaginable to me at the point. If you have to contrive a rivalry against a school that won't even take part, and that school itself is an also ran, you have major problems. That would be my breaking point.
http://the-boneyard.com/threads/the-civil-conflict-diaco-audio-rivalry-in-the-making.66976/
http://the-boneyard.com/threads/the-civil-conflict-diaco-audio-rivalry-in-the-making.66976/
This would be an interesting tidbit except for the fact that Flood has won 23 games in 3 years while Shea, despite stacking top 10 NJ talent up like cordwood, won 11 games in 5 years. And Kemoko Turay is better than all of those guys piled on top of each other.
Upon further review, I think Diaco is just doing this as a Costanza thing to get fired so he can get a real job as coordinator somewhere. When this doesn't work he'll be dragging the basketball trophies around on a four wheeler.
Maybe Temple has indicated that they are not interested in participating in a trophy game with a program clearly on the down swing. Whose to say within a few more years that UConn doesn't drop back down to the CAA in football and join the BE in basketball, after all, it is a basketball school, first, second, and third, pretending to play FBS football.
Let's see: Shea went 11-44 over 5 seasons, with blowout losses to Temple (multiple times), Navy, Tulane and Army. And was shutout 6 times in those 5 seasons.
+1 RUforlife.
In all seriousness though, I don't see them downgrading their program. I believe they're all in. It's years away from resuming but we haven't seen the end of conference realignment.
In all seriousness though, I don't see them downgrading their program. I believe they're all in. It's years away from resuming but we haven't seen the end of conference realignment.
I don't know about that. When you see the time of numbers $$$$ that the Power 5 are bring in per school, it becomes extremely hard to even think of any school outside of the Power 5 that can also demand that type of cash, in other words, unless the Big 12 wants to expand or ND wants to join for football somewhere, we are pretty much done.
Stacking up Talent like cordwood ? You must be dreaming.
Shea had a miserable timing recruiting NJ talent ( like Flood) except for those 3 mentioned recruits and only one ever played at RU ( Orr). Do you not recall Mike McMahon literally running for his life because of no OL talent whatsoever .
Also Schaino's last class...2012 was a Top 40 class and was a major reason for Flood's wins .
Amazing…this story keeps getting more attention:
http://www.theday.com/sports-columns/20150603/diaco-really-dropped-the-football-on-this-one
http://www.bcinterruption.com/bosto...legs/2015/6/3/8716475/what-was-uconn-thinking
http://cincyontheprowl.com/2015/06/03/lets-make-up-a-rivalry-for-cincinnati-just-like-uconn-did/
http://www.theday.com/sports-columns/20150603/diaco-really-dropped-the-football-on-this-one
http://www.bcinterruption.com/bosto...legs/2015/6/3/8716475/what-was-uconn-thinking
http://cincyontheprowl.com/2015/06/03/lets-make-up-a-rivalry-for-cincinnati-just-like-uconn-did/
Big Ten expands with UNC and UVa. SEC takes VT and NC State. FSU and Clemson to the Big 12. Now the ACC needs teams just to host a championship. UConn and Cincinnati are next up.
One can fiddle around with the details, but thats the basic scenario.
So the question for UConn is - should they lose money on FB and have weaker and less profitable/notable BB (because the American is worse than the Big East) on the long shot hope that they can step up, or do they lose money on D1AA FB and have a better BB program, but forever ditch the dream of being a P5 school.
I have had a night to sleep on it.
This is the one of the most embarrassing things ever seen in sport.
This is the one of the most embarrassing things ever seen in sport.
If Derleider's expansion scenario works out, here is the new ACC:
Wake Forest
Syracuse
Pitt
Notre Dame
MIami
Louisville
Duke
BC
UConn
Cincy
This would be a dream for UConn. It would give them natural rivals (BC and Cuse). It's actually a pretty good academic and Eastern basketball conference, but a pretty bad football conference. Of course, UCF could get the nod over UConn based on its Florida location, growing enrollment, larger market size, and on campus stadium. Even better, if the B1G would get Virginia and ND (all sports of course) instead of UNC, that would make the strongest academic conference even stronger, the TV compensation package would be off the charts, and it would allow UNC to stay in the ACC, giving them a great basketball league.
UConn needs to pray - really hard.
-Scarlet Jerry
Wake Forest
Syracuse
Pitt
Notre Dame
MIami
Louisville
Duke
BC
UConn
Cincy
This would be a dream for UConn. It would give them natural rivals (BC and Cuse). It's actually a pretty good academic and Eastern basketball conference, but a pretty bad football conference. Of course, UCF could get the nod over UConn based on its Florida location, growing enrollment, larger market size, and on campus stadium. Even better, if the B1G would get Virginia and ND (all sports of course) instead of UNC, that would make the strongest academic conference even stronger, the TV compensation package would be off the charts, and it would allow UNC to stay in the ACC, giving them a great basketball league.
UConn needs to pray - really hard.
-Scarlet Jerry
No, I think you're going to eventually see 16 school super conferences. BYU and Cincinnati are 2 schools that I don't see being left out. I still think the ACC and Big 12 remain unsettled leagues. GOR is in effect through 2027 I believe so as I said, for the time being, no immediate changes but I think once that deal expires, musical chairs will start up again. Should be interesting.
FWIW, I met a high rolling WVU alum a little over a week ago. HATES being in the Big 12. Now, if he feels like that and I'm sure many of the other deep pocketed alums feel that way about the Big 12, don't be surprised if they end up looking for other options sometime down the road if an opportunity presents itself.
FWIW, I met a high rolling WVU alum a little over a week ago. HATES being in the Big 12. Now, if he feels like that and I'm sure many of the other deep pocketed alums feel that way about the Big 12, don't be surprised if they end up looking for other options sometime down the road if an opportunity presents itself.
There are no other options. The SEC isn't going to take WVU (there are better matches for the SEC if they want to expand). The B10 isn't going to take WVU. The P12 obviously isn't going to take WVU. So that leaves the B12 or ACC. And the ACC already passed on WVU. (And I'm not sure the ACC is a better option.)
He's hoping the ACC loses more schools. Personally speaking, I think they will, likely UVA and GT. Still not sold on Clemson and or FSU sticking around either. I think if they end up losing 4, the ACC could very well become BE2. I could see them adding UConn, Cincy, WVU and whoever is the most attractive 4th invite.
The way I see it, if they can add Louisville, they can mostly certainly eventually invite WVU if they think they bring value to the table.
The way I see it, if they can add Louisville, they can mostly certainly eventually invite WVU if they think they bring value to the table.
If the ACC loses 2 schools, they'd just go after UConn and Cinci. They'd have to lose 4 schools, before they target WVU (or any B12 school). But at that point, the ACC will have lost 4 schools, and rather than lose WVU (and drop to 9 teams), the B12 would have incentive to grab 2 more schools from the weakened ACC and give WVU reason to stay in the B12. There really isn't any realistic scenario (with the exception identified below) in which the ACC loses teams, and WVU decides they'd rather go to the ACC rather than stay in the B12.
The exception is if the B12 is losing teams and is on the verge of falling apart. For example, if the P12 takes Texas, Okla, 2 other B12 schools, and the B10 and SEC raid the ACC (and possibly the B12), then WVU may decide to join the ACC if the ACC looks more stable. Of course, at that point the remaining 10 ACC teams and 6 B12 teams might just merge to form a 16-team conference.
No chance FSU or Clemson stick around. Once UNC leaves, the doors are wide open and anyone with any other options will be out the door.
If and when it goes down (and I wouldnt be 100% certain of it actually happening - a la carte cable and eventually the complete destruction of cable could disrupt the financing mechanism that allows a mediocre but high state population team like RU or UNC to be a real money maker) the real question will be this
Does the PAC12 finally lure Texas (plus 3 others) or not. If so then the ACC wins, loses a few teams to the B10 and the SEC (but not the best FB schools), but takes in some Big 12 teams. The Big 12 basically ceases to exist.
If Texas stays in the Big 12, then the ACC falls apart, with the Big 12 sucking up its best teams, and the ACC taking in some AAC schools to fill the wholes. Hell, Temple could even end up there. But it likely wont be a P5 conference any more if they lose say VT, UVa, UNC, NC Sate, FSU, Clemson (plus maybe Louisville, Pitt, GT, and Miami depending on how big the Big 12 wants to get.)
Norte Dame parking their football program in a conference with Uconn, Louisville, and Cincy, not to mention the rest of the fodder, seems super unlikely.
Derleider,
What you write has a possibility of occurring. I've thought for awhile that the P5 will eventually become the P4, thinking that the Big 12 would eventually implode. I think the Big 12s core 4 eventually go to the PAC12. I think the SEC eventually adds FSU and Clemson. Big 10 probably snags UVA and GT.
ACC, I believe survives and becomes a much better league with a true East/West configuration. East likely being made up of the former BE schools, the West being the remaining Big 12 schools that don't go to the PAC12 + Cincy. Its going to be interesting because realignment isn't finished.
Not sure what becomes of our program. It's nice that we have decision makers that are very proactive since they're all Big 10 folks, but I worry that it might be too late for us. We needed to have these folks running the show for us 20 years ago.
What you write has a possibility of occurring. I've thought for awhile that the P5 will eventually become the P4, thinking that the Big 12 would eventually implode. I think the Big 12s core 4 eventually go to the PAC12. I think the SEC eventually adds FSU and Clemson. Big 10 probably snags UVA and GT.
ACC, I believe survives and becomes a much better league with a true East/West configuration. East likely being made up of the former BE schools, the West being the remaining Big 12 schools that don't go to the PAC12 + Cincy. Its going to be interesting because realignment isn't finished.
Not sure what becomes of our program. It's nice that we have decision makers that are very proactive since they're all Big 10 folks, but I worry that it might be too late for us. We needed to have these folks running the show for us 20 years ago.
Cincinnati wouldnt be in. There would be 6 Big 12 teams left, add to the remaining 10 ACC teams and you are at 16 already. The west, if they went that way would be those 6 (presumably ISU, KSU, Kansas, two of TCU/TT/Baylor, WVU, and Baylor) and , plus Louisville and Pitt. The East would be (based on who you have left) - Syracuse, BC, VT, UNC, NC State, Wake, Duke, and Miami.
That would still be a P4 league (Baylor, TCU, KSU, Louisville, VT, WVU and Miami are all threats to be top 10 teams in any given year) - but would lag WAY behind on revenue. A bunch of private schools, small state schools, and second state schools.
Which shows why UConn is probably hanging on a false hope. If the ACC survives enough to still be a BCS level league, then it almost surely wont have room for UConn. If it has room for UConn its likely because it lost so many teams that its no longer a BCS level league in any real sense.
Certainly not for football (if they lose FSU and Clemson), which is really the point of all this nonsense.
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...and just like that the thread became one of those classic "50 scenarios of realignment that will likely never happen" threads...
I personally love how people think Clemson and FSU will wanna go play games in the plains...because somehow that would be a better conference than the dumpster fire one...
Here's a little nugget to chew on...the ACC is not falling apart...period!
But please return to the 51st scenario...Hawaii maybe??
I personally love how people think Clemson and FSU will wanna go play games in the plains...because somehow that would be a better conference than the dumpster fire one...
Here's a little nugget to chew on...the ACC is not falling apart...period!
But please return to the 51st scenario...Hawaii maybe??
But we will always have the wind game. Such beautiful memories. The SU press conference was great.
http://blog.syracuse.com/orangefootball/2009/12/the_lowest_spots_in_a_down_dec.html
http://blog.syracuse.com/orangefootball/2009/12/the_lowest_spots_in_a_down_dec.html
I think they are willing to have OOC games if we are. Not sure if we are.
Also, no matter what silly names people throw out that, expansion is pretty much done for a long time, maybe not forever but a very long time like a decade or two.
A decade isn't that long. It was a little over 8 years between the time that the ACC first invited Syracuse (and replaced them with Va Tech) and the second time the ACC invited Syracuse (and took them along with Pitt).
This is coming from a fan of A&M and Rutgers - two teams who no one thought would be in their current conferences just five years ago.
You are missing the point here. The SEC (thanks in large part to A&M) and the Big Ten are breaking away from the rest and especially the ACC. The Big Ten is also losing the population wars long term. The combination means that the Big Ten will LIKELY be attracted to southern teams, and that the ACC teams will likely be interested in the Big Ten.
Now maybe the Big Ten takes UVa and UNC and nothing else happens. But maybe the SEC also takes a couple of teams in new high population states (VT seems like an obvious choice.). Now the ACC is down to 10 teams. If it expands to get back to 12, it will be with subpar teams - UConn and Cincinnati level. This for a conference that was already the least profitable of the P5, and would have lost some of its high population states. Does that sound more attractive than playing Texas and Oklahoma?
At the same time, the Big 12 might look around and say - we really need to keep up. We already trail in money. We are going to trail by even more once these new high population states start pumping even more in carriage fees into the deal, and will have a hard time keeping our teams from leaving altogether if we cant make more money. How do they make more money - invite teams in high population southern states like Florida or Georgia or northeastern states like PA or both - they have room to expand. So maybe FSU and Clemson say no - come aboard GT, Pitt, Miami, and Louisville.
So no - FSU and Clemson arent going to move conferences just to make an extra couple of million. They make enough that they dont have to. But things arent static. Its really not THAT hard to envision a world where the ACC, being the lowest earning P5 conference, gets raided into oblivion. After all, that literally JUST happened to the Big East.
I mean the Big 12 was one poorly conceived single team network away from collapsing just a few years ago. The SWC collapsed less than 20 years ago. The Big East went from having 3 top 15 teams to not existing in 6 years. The lowest earning conferences will always have to fear raids. The ACC is now the bottom man on the totem pole.
In the next round of conference reshuffling, the ACC is almost certain to lose teams. Even if it is the B12 that takes the biggest hit, and the stragglers from the B12 merge with the slightly stronger ACC, the merger is likely to mean that the ACC merges into the B12, not the other way around. The B12 has more lucrative contracts (especially in regards to the playoff contract bowls, and retention of TV T3 rights). A merger of the conferences would be more lucrative if the ACC merges into the B12.
He is not alone...as while WVU likes the $$$...their fans who were used to "driveable" road games in the past and/or conf games located where many of their alumni live (Florida), now, WVU's closest conf rival is located in Ames, Iowa.
Just this past week, WVU AD blew the lid off that he was the first Big 12/member admin to admit that conf expansion, especially EAST COAST conf expansion (which is what WVU desires) is now officially back on the table as a possibility (with their TV partners).
What does "officially on the table" mean? Unofficially, expansion is always on the table. And with the exception of when the B10 announced that they were looking for a 12th team, no P5 conference has "officially" looked at expansion prior to announcing that they were adding a specific team.
WVU AD's comments totally contradicted the statements made by the Big 12 Commish just a few months ago (wouldn't even think about adding any new teams/markets)...hence why it was a pretty telling comment.
With more Big 12 programs now seeing the negative of being the only P5 conf without a conf championship game, it seems more Big 12 teams are now looking at ways to get back to at least 12 teams so they can have a champ game again.
Big 12 now knows they will not get approval for a conf championship game waiver with just 12 teams. (they tried to team up with ACC who wants to "selected" 2 best teams for title game, not necessarily divisional champs...or have divisions period),
Remember, when Big 12 signed their TV deal with FOX/ESPN back in the summer of 2012, that was before FOX even decided to launch their own TV network 2 years later.
TV rates continue to go up as advertisers are paying top $$$ for live programming and now FOX is even hungrier to get more programming...as with a change in membership and additions of a champ game, Big 12 can re-open their TV contract...and FOX might try to grab more programming from ESPN by paying more (maybe overpaying, like Fox Sports did with Big East Hoop Contract).
Of course Big 12 and their TV partners might decide not to expand over the next few years after any upcoming discussions...but this option is at least being considered, as the WVU AD was the first to publicly admit it.
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History shows, conference realignment is never, ever done. Been happening since conferences were formed.
yes, but Uconn fans act like it is going to happen any day now. They won't even think about adding more schools until the next round of TV contracts. So 10-15 years. Will Uconn even have a FBS football program by then and even if it did, will anyone even care?
