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Is this board or fanbase prepared for 2 to perhaps 3 bowl less seasons?

Plum Street said:
Not prepared for it. I understand it can take years to build a solid football program . Do we really think flood that horrendous of a job recruiting ? Thanks Tim p for that hire
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Tim P hired him yes but you don't know what was Tim P budget do you. I have an idea because Flood didn't get paid nothing compared to other coaches. I believe Tim taught he made the best hire possible with a crappy budget to hire a football coach. When Flood was hired he was paid a starting salary barely over 1 million dollars. In 2014 he got a 200 thousand dollar raise. That's a boat load of money for just about anyone but not a coach in this confrence. Rutgers stopped Schiano's momentum hiring on the cheap setting us back. You get what you pay for.
 
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You have to cut Ash some slack. The very top FBS schools hire proven and experienced head coaches like Meyer at Ohio St., Harbaugh at Michigan, Petersen at Washington, Kelly at ND. Most of the hiring risk has been taken out, although there is still hiring risk.

When you hire a coordinator, even from a top school, there is a lot of risk as the coach is unproven as a head coach and he usually doesn't have a proven group of assistants to bring with him to the new school.

Recruiting looks good so far under Ash, so that's a positive sign as bringing in more talent will help him or the next coach. Flood couldn't even bring in the recruits, so Ash is a big upgrade so far.
 
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Turtle31 said:
I'm glad to know that your never-ending optimism isn't limited to just WBB. I totally respect that you're consistent, although I may disagree with that optimism.
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Thank you, I been this way for many years and no matter how often RU doesn't reach where I hope they will be, refuse to change from having an optimistic outlook into one more pessimistic.

I'm thinking ( but mostly hoping) RU might surprise some folks next season:
RU plays Morgan St and Eastern Michigan, both should be viewed as probable wins, unless their HCs are HOF material or Ash makes them look like one .
Does everyone feel Purdue should be counted as a loss?
Indiana guaranteed to win?
Did Lovie make Illi that much better than Ash could do at RU?
Durkin turned the Turtles into an unbeatable program as far as RU fans are concerned ?

I’ll remain optimistic and think RU has has a shot at a bowl game next year, also not give up hope the Washington fiasco can be overcome this year
As far as I'm concerned there’s still some hope of beating Howard, New Mexico , Illinois, Indiana, Maryland and possibly the Gophers or maybe Penn St at home in the 2016 season.
Not saying that will happen, but I refuse to lose my optimism after one game
and give up hope for a season that brings an unexpected bowl bid.
But a blowout loss does tend to make me a little more pessimistic than usual and makes me wonder if Ash can make this years team good enough for a bowl game , despite having a roster fill with players recruited for a pro set offense that are now learning a spread type one.

Never been a Brooklyn Dodger fan , so wait till next year doesn’t fit my way of thinking. The RU version seems to be wait till two years ( or more) are up .
I’ll just say I much rather hold out hope for wins then plan for losing seasons , but can understand why others have given up on this year and not expecting a much better season W-L wise next year.
 
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RU-05 said:
Peterson won 8 games in year 1.
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We won 8 games in 2014 too but clearly it wasn't sustainable. I will try to use the Yankees as a parallel here (and I'm more a Met guy but root for NY baseball). The Yankees the past few seasons were not under .500 and actually made the wild card game last year but everyone knew they weren't a legit championship caliber team. The same was apparent this year...if they didn't sell at the deadline they may have pulled out a playoff berth but again, everyone knows they are not a legit contender. Instead of settling for this level of mediocrity to appease the Yankee "we need to win now" fan mentality, the Yankees sucked it up, sold off all their old players and went with a youth movement. Realistic baseball people know it won't be until at least 2018 when they will possibly be a legit CHAMPIONSHIP contender again.

So here's the parallel. If we kept Flood and kept doing the same old same old, we may get another 8-5 season with Quick Lane Bowl level game. I mean aside from 2006 and 2012 that's all the program really was. Hobbs wants more than that, and so should we, so he opted to do a complete tear down and rebuild with the goal being more than 3rd tier bowl games and getting waxed by the better teams in the conference. If there were 40 bowl games in the early 90's, Graber would have gone to a few too even though the Miami's and Penn States of the world were still throttling us. I know the majority of the RU faithful are content with mediocrity because we've been beaten down so much and it's that mindset thst would have been perfectly happy keeping Flood and continue going to Quick Lane and Beef O'Brady Bowls while never being a threat to win the division. Thank God the new regime wants more than that for our university. We should too. We will never be OSU or UM but that doesn't mean we can't rise to a level of Wisconsin or Iowa.
 
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Blitz Pakage said:
80 teams out of 128 teams make bowl games every year. That does not make you elite or even a very good football team. I think Peterson is a great mind for college football and has done well with the Huskies, but he needs to bring them to the next level and I mean Top 10 level. I still see him coming up short this year. A bowl game? yes, but 8-4 final season record and no PAC 12 Championship.
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Title of this thread is?
 
BoogieKnight said:
We won 8 games in 2014 too but clearly it wasn't sustainable. I will try to use the Yankees as a parallel here (and I'm more a Met guy but root for NY baseball). The Yankees the past few seasons were not under .500 and actually made the wild card game last year but everyone knew they weren't a legit championship caliber team. The same was apparent this year...if they didn't sell at the deadline they may have pulled out a playoff berth but again, everyone knows they are not a legit contender. Instead of settling for this level of mediocrity to appease the Yankee "we need to win now" fan mentality, the Yankees sucked it up, sold off all their old players and went with a youth movement. Realistic baseball people know it won't be until at least 2018 when they will possibly be a legit CHAMPIONSHIP contender again.

So here's the parallel. If we kept Flood and kept doing the same old same old, we may get another 8-5 season with Quick Lane Bowl level game. I mean aside from 2006 and 2012 that's all the program really was. Hobbs wants more than that, and so should we, so he opted to do a complete tear down and rebuild with the goal being more than 3rd tier bowl games and getting waxed by the better teams in the conference. If there were 40 bowl games in the early 90's, Graber would have gone to a few too even though the Miami's and Penn States of the world were still throttling us. I know the majority of the RU faithful are content with mediocrity because we've been beaten down so much and it's that mindset thst would have been perfectly happy keeping Flood and continue going to Quick Lane and Beef O'Brady Bowls while never being a threat to win the division. Thank God the new regime wants more than that for our university. We should too. We will never be OSU or UM but that doesn't mean we can't rise to a level of Wisconsin or Iowa.
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But in pro baseball, by selling off players you get back young talent or draft picks, that's not what happens in college sports.

And I'm not pro Flood here, I'm glad he's gone, I like the Ash choice, I just don't see why it is supposed to take 3-4 years to turn this around. At least to being bowl eligible again, which is the title of the thread. If we are talking being legit contenders for the conf title, then yeah, 4-6 years, but bowl eligible? Doesn't take a juggernaut to pull that off.
 
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bostonuconnalum said:
Recruiting looks good so far under Ash, so that's a positive sign as bringing in more talent will help him or the next coach. Flood couldn't even bring in the recruits, so Ash is a big upgrade so far.
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Flood looked like a pretty darn recruiter the first 10 months he was on the job. Ash is off to a good start, but he needs to keep the class together in the midst of what might be an ugly season, a lot uglier then Flood's first season.
 
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RU-05 said:
But in pro baseball, by selling off players you get back young talent or draft picks, that's not what happens in college sports.

And I'm not pro Flood here, I'm glad he's gone, I like the Ash choice, I just don't see why it is supposed to take 3-4 years to turn this around. At least to being bowl eligible again, which is the title of the thread. If we are talking being legit contenders for the conf title, then yeah, 4-6 years, but bowl eligible? Doesn't take a juggernaut to pull that off.
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Serious question. How do you think we can turn around quickly with no talent? Do you honestly think this years and next years recruiting classes will lead us to consecutive bowls games? That is putting a lot of pressure on young kids.
 
Section124 said:
Serious question. How do you think we can turn around quickly with no talent? Do you honestly think this years and next years recruiting classes will lead us to consecutive bowls games? That is putting a lot of pressure on young kids.
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I'm disagreeing with the notion that we have no talent.
 
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RU-05 said:
I'm disagreeing with the notion that we have no talent.
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I hope you are right but I honestly don't see it. I do think this will be a better team at the end of this year than now (whether the record shows or not) since the players need to get more familiar with the offense. And the coaches to figure out the talent based on game performance.
 
RU-05 said:
I'm disagreeing with the notion that we have no talent.
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compared to who we have to play in league and their systems yes we do...look schools like Indiana, Maryland, Illinois are certainly winnable and much like RU in level but expecting to win every swing game while knocking off a better school in Penn State to make a bowl this year is setting yourself up for disappointment. We have a big problem at QB, thats not going away this year, we had the worst pass defense for 3 years, its going to improve but you are overstimating what Ash can do in his first season with that unit
 
Doesn't bother me but this has to coincide with recruiting classes that will show us that we can turn it around. If we are sitting here in 2018 with no bowls and a recruiting class that is 60th, then its the beginning of the end for this staff.
 
Stop Blaming Flood! Blame the administration for not hiring and spending the required money to hire a competent replacement for Schiano! I am willing to bet that we will lose way more money for going the Cheap route with Flood then replacing Schiano with a competent coach making a salary similar to Schiano's.
 
Am willing to see two more games before I pass judgment for this year and a bowl. There is talent on this team - its a matter of how it is deployed. Rookie coach who will tweak and adjust as the season goes on - we have 11 more games to play.
 
ru8081 said:
Stop Blaming Flood! Blame the administration for not hiring and spending the required money to hire a competent replacement for Schiano! I am willing to bet that we will lose way more money for going the Cheap route with Flood then replacing Schiano with a competent coach making a salary similar to Schiano's.
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So using that logic, we should blame the Mods whenever someone post something stupid?
We should not blame the person who posted it, right?

There is plenty of blame to go around, that is the reason all of those people either got fired or got with the program aka Pres and BOG.

The future is bright but it will take a while to dig out of this mess.
 
Scarlet_Scourge said:
So using that logic, we should blame the Mods whenever someone post something stupid?
We should not blame the person who posted it, right?

There is plenty of blame to go around, that is the reason all of those people either got fired or got with the program aka Pres and BOG.

The future is bright but it will take a while to dig out of this mess.
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We need to stop making decisions on supposed short term gain while not looking at the long term picture. This is but one example of this mindset that has hurt both basketball and football.
 
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In reading this board over the last several years, Rutgers fans -- believe it not -- have a pretty good football IQ. If we see improvement, see some type of future promise, then the majority will be ok with the growing process. With the last regime, there was just no damn promise, no damn plan, no damn logic to anything.
 
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ru8081 said:
We need to stop making decisions on supposed short term gain while not looking at the long term picture. This is but one example of this mindset that has hurt both basketball and football.
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No question about that, but it looks like with these last three hires that Rutgers finally learn their lesson. But both Football and MBB really have their work cut out for them, make no mistake about it.
 
S.B. Crumb said:
I'm ready for the worst as I'm an RU fan....but extrapolating 3 YEARS after one game? Holy $h!t.
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it was more like the last 3 years leading up to that one game. Compounding this is the fact that we happen to play 5 top 25 teams this season and well...this will take a while.
 
bac's premise is correct

While I'm not giving up hope on this year...the reality is that are not close to the top third of this league right now...so even with an upset in the mix, that's a 1-3 start in league...throw in 2 cupcakes each year...your baseline is starting 3-3

Need to do well in the other six to scratch out 6 or 7 wins and a small bowl...

and some years that won't happen

This is our hope for 2016, 2017, and 2018....with the hope that 2019, when Ash's first two classes are juniors and soph on the field...we really look like we can start to compete with the top third of the league and look like we belong on the field with them
 
Here is what is coming the next 3 years:


Schedule for 2017:

OOC:

all at home:

09/02 - Washington
09/09 - Morgan State
09/16 - Eastern Michigan

Crossovers:

09/23 - Nebraska - away
10/14 - Illinois - away
10/21 - Purdue - home

Schedule for 2018:

OOC:

09/01 - Texas State
09/15 - at Kansas
09/22 - Buffalo

Crossovers:

10/6 - Illinois - home
10/20 - Northwestern - home
11/3 - Wisconsin - away

Schedule for 2019 (we still need two games to be signed)

OOC:

9/21 - Da'U - away
??? - TBD
??? - TBD

Crossovers:

9/7 - Iowa - away
10/19 - Minnesota - home
11/2 - Illinois - away
 
Let's just take it one year at a time. I expected 4-8 this year and nothing has changed. A good measuring stick will be next years UW game. If we are competitive then we can say we have progressed.
 
First of all, you guys give up too easily. We have 11 games left to be played on the field.

Second, stop pointing finger at Flood and Pernetti. We have only had ONE top 25 recruiting classes in our history and they all said they would stick together if Flood replaced Schiano.

Third, our recruiting outside of the 2011 and 2012 classes was similar to what we have had t for a while. Schiano pulled in some studs but it took him a few years to get there. He also pulled in some under the radar kids and his class rankings from 2004-2010 averaged over 55. Flood averaged 52 from 2013 through 2015. It just so happens Schiano / Flood had a 33 in 2011 and a 25 in 2012 (credit to Schiano but that is why we kept Flood) which is where we need to be to succeed in the BIG. Probably lower but those were 2 great classes. My point is not to defend Flood, Pernetti or Schiano but to tell this board to stop whining about the past.

Fourth, by complaining about Flood's recuiting you are telling our players they are no good. Nice. Can we stop now please.

I like that Ash is locking in the solid 3 stars early which is a page out of D'Antonio's success at MSU. I really like everything about him so far. I won't complain when I don't like certain things but so far I like him. Getting to 6 wins now is not an easy job but not impossible. Don't give up just yet.
 
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Steve91562 said:
In reading this board over the last several years, Rutgers fans -- believe it not -- have a pretty good football IQ. If we see improvement, see some type of future promise, then the majority will be ok with the growing process. With the last regime, there was just no damn promise, no damn plan, no damn logic to anything.
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The first year in conference was a pretty good season, way above expectations.

Look his recruiting was not very good, and his last season was a complete catastrophe, but let's not act like the entirety of his tenure was a failure.
 
Charlie Strong put a new system in this year and started a true freshman QB. They beat #10 Notre Dame. So you can stop with the changes as an excuse. This staff isn't ready for the big time.
 
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REDRICH65 said:
Charlie Strong put a new system in this year and started a true freshman QB. They beat #10 Notre Dame. So you can stop with the changes as an excuse. This staff isn't ready for the big time.
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WTF are you talking about?

Here is his record at Texas:

Texas Longhorns (Big 12 Conference) (2014–present)
2014 Texas 6–7 5–4 T–4th L Texas
2015 Texas 5–7 4–5 T–5th
2016 Texas 1–0 0–0

He also had back to back to back top ten recruiting classes.
 
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REDRICH65 said:
Charlie Strong put a new system in this year and started a true freshman QB. They beat #10 Notre Dame. So you can stop with the changes as an excuse. This staff isn't ready for the big time.
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+1. . . a bunch of corn fed iowa dudes, expecting to come to NJ, and get it done. let's just say it's fair to be skeptical.

I'm confident that they can get the skill position guys, but I'm not sure if Coach Ash can get the guys in the trenches that we need.
 
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RU-05 said:
Peterson won 8 games in year 1.
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Peterson walked into an infinitely better situation. Sarkisian left him some very good recruiting classes stacked on each other before leaving for USC.

Ash walked into a sh*tshow of horrible recruiting classes, poor support and player development, and a program reeling from arrests, suspensions and kids kicked off the team.

Apples and oranges.
 
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We've been through over a hundred bowl less seasons. What's two or three more?

Edit: I'm fine with it as long as we're on the right track.
 
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No matter who the coach is, Rutgers seems to be missing something every year
and blame can be shared by all involved ( past and present) when talking about coaching chops and talent on the roster.
Since 2006 RU fans have been waiting for RU FB to become a top program and before 2006 ended disappointment reared its ugly head.
I'll not blame Ash if this season is terrible, but won't blame Flood for everything that made it so. Flood deserves most of the blame but not all of it like some are trying to put on him.
 
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