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Judge Orders Sealed PSU Documents Released



Pitt boards had a thread up about it. Thought I would stop by and see what the mood was around here.


I thought this is what they wanted. I have been of a mind that Paterno's involvement was simply as he stated....he was busy and didn't wish to deal with it. He pushed it off to someone else.


In the law of public opinion, of course that doesn't entirely make you a good guy, but not some evil dictator willing to sweep away child abuse. I still hope that isn't the case, but depending upon what is put out there, it could be real bad. Be careful what you wish for type bad.

Bo Schembechler seemed to have a favorable opinion of Joe back when he interviewed him during the 98 season I believe it was. I don't think he would of played nice for the camera like he did if he know anything about the Sandusky rumors. Bo never minced words, and legend has it he referred to Tressel as a "snake" back in the 90s.


Sadly, as PSU is part of the B1G, our conference could take another hit.
 
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Oh well if Bo Schembechler thought Paterno was an ok guy, then there ya have it. Unreal how much moral validity some folks will assign to their legendary football coaches.

Not trying to come off like an ass to our Meeechigan visitor. I just happen to believe Schembechler's opinion of Paterno has exactly zero relevance to what may have actually been going on at Penn State.
 
Oh well if Bo Schembechler thought Paterno was an ok guy, then there ya have it. Unreal how much moral validity some folks will assign to their legendary football coaches.

Not trying to come off like an ass to our Meeechigan visitor. I just happen to believe Schembechler's opinion of Paterno has exactly zero relevance to what may have actually been going on at Penn State.

^^^ This ^^^
 
I'm hoping that the documents to be released will clarify for once and for all what transpired between Paterno and Sandusky back in 1998 that led to Sandusky deciding to resign his position at the point when he seemed to be at the top of his career + heir apparent to Paterno as PSU's next head football coach. The official line was that he left to run that charity, but I've had difficulty believing that since major sports figures are more likely to lend support to a charity but not take responsibility for its day-to-day operations. Hopefully the documents will prove whether or not Paterno knew of Sandusky's tendencies at that point and, if so, if they are what led to his departure from the coaching staff.
 
It would be naive to think he knew nothing and presumptuous to think he knew everything - probably somewhere in the middle. I would be interested in knowing about the feedback, comments, queries of the other assistant coaches and how did JoeP react to what he heard. If testimony shows he knew and suppressed the complaints and let the behavior continue (kept a blind eye), he deserves ALL of the criticism he received and the pod people should just shut up about his legacy. Would be a novel idea to actually hear public apologies.
 
Now all the Ped staters will finally see the the true story and coverup.

Just because normal people can see it doesn't mean PeddState fans will see it. "There are none so blind as those who will not see."
 
I'm hoping that the documents to be released will clarify for once and for all what transpired between Paterno and Sandusky back in 1998 that led to Sandusky deciding to resign his position at the point when he seemed to be at the top of his career + heir apparent to Paterno as PSU's next head football coach. The official line was that he left to run that charity, but I've had difficulty believing that since major sports figures are more likely to lend support to a charity but not take responsibility for its day-to-day operations. Hopefully the documents will prove whether or not Paterno knew of Sandusky's tendencies at that point and, if so, if they are what led to his departure from the coaching staff.

If PSU is paying off 32 claims with 90+ million since 1971 you can be sure - EVERYONE KNEW and they were OK with it going on for almost 30 years until Sandusky left.
 
My understanding of these documents is that they're evidentiary with respect to the claims of the one alleged victim. The documents, when released, will reveal the testimony of that alleged victim, but they don't contain any *direct* evidence, per se.

Expect the Ped St. fans to jump on that explanation and cling to it like grim death.
 
I just happen to believe Schembechler's opinion of Paterno has exactly zero relevance to what may have actually been going on at Penn State.


Yep. Greg Schiano also had a high opinion of Paterno from when he worked at PSU. Who cares.

And even though a lot of Rutgers' fans have a lot of respect for Schiano, expect Schiano to be lambasted here if it turns out he knew anything about Sandusky.
 
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Prediction: no matter what is in those reports, Ped fans will attempt to twist it in an attempt to make Paterno look better. It won't matter what is in those reports.
 
Yep. Greg Schiano also had a high opinion of Paterno from when he worked at PSU. Who cares.

And even though a lot of Rutgers' fans have a lot of respect for Schiano, expect Schiano to be lambasted here if it turns out he knew anything about Sandusky.

I don't disagree with this. Hi Spanks!
 
Prediction: no matter what is in those reports, Ped fans will attempt to twist it in an attempt to make Paterno look better. It won't matter what is in those reports.

My understanding is they are only releasing the $$ award to each victim. So if the '71 victim was awarded 5ish million I'll concede Paterno was likely aware and failed in his obligation to do the right thing but if the victim was awarded 1ish million or less then you'll concede the payout was likely based on avoiding the cost of litigation and not an admission of guilt. Is that fair?
 
My understanding is they are only releasing the $$ award to each victim. So if the '71 victim was awarded 5ish million I'll concede Paterno was likely aware and failed in his obligation to do the right thing but if the victim was awarded 1ish million or less then you'll concede the payout was likely based on avoiding the cost of litigation and not an admission of guilt. Is that fair?

No. I'm not about to make a wager on what an assault victim thinks is an acceptable award as a result of enduring that abuse. That's extraordinarily presumptuous.
 
My understanding is they are only releasing the $$ award to each victim. So if the '71 victim was awarded 5ish million I'll concede Paterno was likely aware and failed in his obligation to do the right thing but if the victim was awarded 1ish million or less then you'll concede the payout was likely based on avoiding the cost of litigation and not an admission of guilt. Is that fair?
well on average they paid out 2.875 million so i think its pretty obvious this wasn't just about avoiding cost of litigation.
 
No. I'm not about to make a wager on what an assault victim thinks is an acceptable award as a result of enduring that abuse. That's extraordinarily presumptuous.

well on average they paid out 2.875 million so i think its pretty obvious this wasn't just about avoiding cost of litigation.

WRT the '71 victim, my comment wasn't about making a wager or what a victim feels is fair payout. It was about setting some parameters around what the numbers mean when they are released. We already know this victim was given some settlement, how much is the question the media is seeking. So at one end of the spectrum there is Paterno knew, told the victim to pound sand, and PSU paid out substantially above the average; at the other end there is a payout where PSU paid out substantially less than the average to avoid litigation costs. It's not like all the victims are getting 2.875mil. Is it not fair to acknowledge that?
 
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I keep trying to give enough of a shit about PSU or JoePa or Sandusky so that I can find these threads interesting. And I keep failing. Not judging anybody. Just saying.

Carry on and wake me up the week before we play them.
 
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No. I'm not about to make a wager on what an assault victim thinks is an acceptable award as a result of enduring that abuse. That's extraordinarily presumptuous.

I've reconsidered your position. You are probably correct that what victim A received as a settlement and what victim B received as a settlement are based on many reasons and are not necessarily comparable.

I hope they release all documentation so that the chips can fall where they may. If Paterno was the enabler many believe him to be than I want to know so I can let go of the notion that he was on the up and up wrt all this. But if the there were enablers and they are still in leadership positions at my alma mater then I want to know that too so we can address their deficiencies as a human and remove them from the university and society in general.
 
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My understanding is they are only releasing the $$ award to each victim. So if the '71 victim was awarded 5ish million I'll concede Paterno was likely aware and failed in his obligation to do the right thing but if the victim was awarded 1ish million or less then you'll concede the payout was likely based on avoiding the cost of litigation and not an admission of guilt. Is that fair?
So how much paid out proves someone's guilt or innocence.
A truly disgusting defense of Paterno in my opinion

No Jason, it's the ccomplaints and how the school and Paterno handled them, not the amount paid out to keep someone quiet about what happened..
Seems like Joe acted like he didn't know anything , even the 98 incident, but now it seems like Paterno knew about Sandusky since the 70s.
This has nothing to do with the settlement negotiated, but everything to do with why PSU was sued.
 
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I just happen to believe Schembechler's opinion of Paterno has exactly zero relevance to what may have actually been going on at Penn State.
You kiss your mother with a mouth like that??!? How dare you? Schembechler was a god amongst men. Here you have one god validating another god. Some nerve you mortals have.
 
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…No Jason, it's the complaints and how the school and Paterno handled them, not the amount paid out to keep someone quiet about what happened...

I agree 100% with this however I'm pretty sure the only documents being unsealed will reveal the amounts paid to victims from PSU. This piece of information doesn't really tell us about how the information was handled and the culpability of any entity. But we know that's how it will be used. See my last post to Caliknight.

I'm fully aware that people at PSU screwed up even if there was no intent to cover up anything. Bottom line is Jerry was free and he shouldn't have been. However, my issue has always been it feels like the iconic deceased football coach has been scapegoated for a complex crime. There were failings across many agencies but only PSU football is to blame. In a way, I wish this was true. It lets us go back to our happy lives that someone like Jerry isn't operating in our own community because there is no entity like PSU football to enable another child molester. Sadly the data (1 in 10 boys and 1 in 6 girls) says it is happening in our communities. Rather than really trying to figure out what happened and to use that knowledge to make a difference, it's easier to say that I'm a cultist and somehow me cheering for my alma mater, the same as any fan base, allowed a football coach to put winning ahead of human decency. Given everything I know about how Joe ran our program, at this point I just don't believe he knew Jerry was hurting kids and he was OK with it, it the name of winning football games.
 
Yep. Greg Schiano also had a high opinion of Paterno from when he worked at PSU. Who cares.

And even though a lot of Rutgers' fans have a lot of respect for Schiano, expect Schiano to be lambasted here if it turns out he knew anything about Sandusky.

He'll be crucified and rightfully so.
 
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My understanding is they are only releasing the $$ award to each victim. So if the '71 victim was awarded 5ish million I'll concede Paterno was likely aware and failed in his obligation to do the right thing but if the victim was awarded 1ish million or less then you'll concede the payout was likely based on avoiding the cost of litigation and not an admission of guilt. Is that fair?

No it's not. PSU could afford to pay $91 million on settlements they could afford to defend themselves in civil court with no problem. Unless they wanted to keep the crimes quiet. Then they settle.
 
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