It was evident to me that they were much faster than we were. Their superior Fieldhouse provided them with the edge to recruit better players. Their players executed, and we didn’t execute as well.
Kansas State has a really nice football fieldhouse
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I bet their coaches schemed a 17 point comeback in that thing!
We could have had one of those things too. But in typical RU fashion we opted for 3 separate spaces rather than one for all athletes. That field house is for every KSU athlete something Schiano doesnt want.
I will. But as you see I responded to the thread not the individual. I think thats what you lawyers call a loophole.
Let's see about a few of their best players and why they committed. Nope, not one mentioned the fieldhouse. It was coaching and relationships. And a stud LB who had not other P5 offers. Stop with the nonsense already. Please don't tell me K State has nicer facilities than Washington and Oregon. You will make a fool of yourself.
Dylan Edwards, RB. Originally committed to K-State, flipped to Notre Dame's fieldhouse, then Coach Prime's Fieldhouse in Colorado. On his return back to K-State:
"Avery Johnson, I'm coming. I'm gonna get Avery…And it doesn't matter to me, I want to play with my friends and we're gonna have the best recruiting class Kansas State has ever had," Edwards said the day of his original commitment.
Along with playing alongside his childhood friend who he once played with on Saturday mornings for the Wichita Bears youth football team, Edwards will now be playing for the same program that his father once played for. Leon, who Dylan calls one of his best friends and mentors in his life, played for Bill Snyder from 1992-1994.
Edwards' relationship with Kansas State never wavered even after the decommitment in the summer of 2022. While some fans may have been frustrated and upset with his decision, the coaching staff always remained available. In today's age of the transfer portal, maintaining strong relationships throughout an athlete's years of eligibility are more important than ever, and those relationships Edwards built with the Kansas State staff helped propel him to a decision to go to a place he was once set on.
"You can see how loyal they were," Edwards said in June of '22. "They came here the most out of any school. They talked to me every day, I got on a call with them every day. There was not a day that went by and on Christmas, they called me in the morning and said, 'Hey, Merry Christmas.' You just don't get that anywhere else."
Avery Johnson, QB:
Avery Johnson is a homebody at heart, which he fully demonstrated on Tuesday by committing to Kansas State.
Johnson, a 6-foot-2, 170-pound quarterback from Maize High School in Maize, Kansas, is ranked No. 94 on the ESPN 300. He chose Kansas State over Oregon and Washington.
"It was really just Kansas State has been on me from the start," he told ESPN. "Out of my top three schools, they were back at the beginning toward the end of my sophomore year. Oregon and Washington kind of came around in 2022. I've only been getting to know them for about six months. But it really just came down to ... throughout this whole process they always say, 'Go where you're wanted the most.'
"Kansas State has always shown that they've wanted me the most. I feel like I can achieve all my goals and ultimately get to the next level and develop at Kansas State. I just felt like after putting it into perspective like that, it was a no-brainer."
Johnson credited the move of former Kansas State QB Collin Klein to offensive coordinator on Chris Kleiman's staff before last season's bowl game against LSU.
"I love their new offense that they got going on there," Johnson said. "I definitely think it's a perfect fit for me. It allows me to be comfortable and do what I do best. I don't have to run the ball every play or throw the ball every play. I think I can be a hybrid and just kind of do my thing."
Austin Romaine, LB:
No other P5 offers.
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Dylan Edwards, RB. Originally committed to K-State, flipped to Notre Dame's fieldhouse, then Coach Prime's Fieldhouse in Colorado. On his return back to K-State:
"Avery Johnson, I'm coming. I'm gonna get Avery…And it doesn't matter to me, I want to play with my friends and we're gonna have the best recruiting class Kansas State has ever had," Edwards said the day of his original commitment.
Along with playing alongside his childhood friend who he once played with on Saturday mornings for the Wichita Bears youth football team, Edwards will now be playing for the same program that his father once played for. Leon, who Dylan calls one of his best friends and mentors in his life, played for Bill Snyder from 1992-1994.
Edwards' relationship with Kansas State never wavered even after the decommitment in the summer of 2022. While some fans may have been frustrated and upset with his decision, the coaching staff always remained available. In today's age of the transfer portal, maintaining strong relationships throughout an athlete's years of eligibility are more important than ever, and those relationships Edwards built with the Kansas State staff helped propel him to a decision to go to a place he was once set on.
"You can see how loyal they were," Edwards said in June of '22. "They came here the most out of any school. They talked to me every day, I got on a call with them every day. There was not a day that went by and on Christmas, they called me in the morning and said, 'Hey, Merry Christmas.' You just don't get that anywhere else."
Avery Johnson, QB:
Avery Johnson is a homebody at heart, which he fully demonstrated on Tuesday by committing to Kansas State.
Johnson, a 6-foot-2, 170-pound quarterback from Maize High School in Maize, Kansas, is ranked No. 94 on the ESPN 300. He chose Kansas State over Oregon and Washington.
"It was really just Kansas State has been on me from the start," he told ESPN. "Out of my top three schools, they were back at the beginning toward the end of my sophomore year. Oregon and Washington kind of came around in 2022. I've only been getting to know them for about six months. But it really just came down to ... throughout this whole process they always say, 'Go where you're wanted the most.'
"Kansas State has always shown that they've wanted me the most. I feel like I can achieve all my goals and ultimately get to the next level and develop at Kansas State. I just felt like after putting it into perspective like that, it was a no-brainer."
Johnson credited the move of former Kansas State QB Collin Klein to offensive coordinator on Chris Kleiman's staff before last season's bowl game against LSU.
"I love their new offense that they got going on there," Johnson said. "I definitely think it's a perfect fit for me. It allows me to be comfortable and do what I do best. I don't have to run the ball every play or throw the ball every play. I think I can be a hybrid and just kind of do my thing."
Austin Romaine, LB:
No other P5 offers.
QB Johnson, No. 94 in ESPN 300, picks K-State
Kansas State landed its first ESPN 300 recruit from the Class of 2023 when quarterback Avery Johnson picked the Wildcats over Oregon and Washington.
I just hung myself in my own loophole. But I rarely think of myself as an attorney. As one of my esteemed professors at law school said, patent attorneys are not really attorneys, they are engineers and scientists with law degrees. I was not offended, and happy with that characterization.
The best Players all across America abide by a secret code enforced by their HCs to never say it’s the Fieldhouse that attracted them to their chosen schools. It’s a competitive advantage in recruiting, similar to the times when our genius coach wouldn’t tip off who our starting QB would be.
So brilliant he is. If there were a new Football Strategy Hall of Fame, Schiano would be elected first and then they’d close it to all other electees. In the main hall behind the massive bust of Schiano there would be a repeating video loop of the Illinois game timeout.
So brilliant he is. If there were a new Football Strategy Hall of Fame, Schiano would be elected first and then they’d close it to all other electees. In the main hall behind the massive bust of Schiano there would be a repeating video loop of the Illinois game timeout.
There wouldn’t have been a 17 point comeback if we had better players, which a Fieldhouse would have facilitated. Only landed 2 of NJs Top 10 this recruiting cycle. Recruits are speaking with their decisions.
Gavin Sidwar, our ‘26 QB recruit decommitted from Rutgers and may be going to Syracuse, among other places.
Perhaps with a field house AND a real head coach the game would have been closer.
Like with McCord, top recruits go where they can shine. On offense, they don’t come to play for GS, and the Taj Mahal of Fieldhouses wouldn’t change a damn thing.
Korey Duff came to play for Schiano, as did Ian Strong. Need more overall talent or live with the mediocre results.
Yea Gavin’s decommitment and the 17 point comeback werent field house related. Was awful offensive schemes that didn’t take advantage of the skills our young receiving corps have.
Not saying a field house wouldn’t be useful. But it is the least of our worries at this point.
The #1 issue is the lack of talent. People aren’t supporting NIL to the extent needed.
The Fieldhouse would have made it easier to recruit receivers who actually catch the ball, and quarterbacks who can throw accurately. Too many drops and inaccurate throws.
This was a game where we needed to score 48, because the defense wasn’t stopping anyone.
When you put up 41 points, the issue isn’t offensive schemes.
We were outplayed by Kansas State. Tip of the hat to them.
Show your work. Did the recruiting classes significantly increase when that building opened in 2015?
That team that just beat us had an average class recruiting ranking of 54.2
YR. Nat rank
2015: 54
2016: 72
2017: 57
2018: 66
2019: 63
2020: 54
2021: 57
2022: 62
2023: 40
2024: 58
Didn’t seem to be anything more than better coaching. Talent was actually below our level.
There’s nothing worse than a bad troll.
If you’re gonna troll at least get good at it you dork.
Sadly, the more people who push this rhetoric and the longer they do it, fans will eventually believe it is their fault for not purchasing the best players and/or facilities to ensure success for their team.
The results on the field show they had better talent . The recruiting rankings you’re citing are arbitrary and capricious.
Once again you move the goalposts AL. When you get shown data. You say it's flawed. When you show similar data it's dogma. And if the data is so flawed stop pointing to it when you say we have studs coming in and sighting that we only got 2 nj top 10’s. It’s flawed after all. It’s only arbitrary and capricious when it doesn’t fit your agenda.
Poeple aren't decommiting or not commiting at all because of infrastructure alone. Gavin deommited because he realized his talents wouldn't be utilized appropriately by our offensive scheme.
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If the fans don’t provide the support, the teams aren’t going to win. If people want better results, they have to increase their support.
Indiana just landed Cals QB, who is a baller.
Michigan landed the #1 QB in this recruiting class. We’re landing lower division kids whom we hope will be able to play in the Big Ten. Hope it works out for us.
The results on the field show the data was erroneous. Infrastructure isn’t the be all end all, but it helps in recruiting.
A 15 year D1 head football coach, with stops at the NFL & Ohio State, in tenure # 2 with the only D1 team hes ever been a head coach at, in year 5 of his second tenure, with his own guys, and against Kansas freakin State, should not be blowing 17 point, second half leads
They also shouldn’t be calling timeouts prior to 58 yard field goals into the wind, or have gone 7-6 with this schedule, but I digress
They also shouldn’t be calling timeouts prior to 58 yard field goals into the wind, or have gone 7-6 with this schedule, but I digress
Or it shows that we got out coached. And the erroneous data is more telling in my assertions than yours.
Shows that someone isn’t the best evaluator. Or is he the only one that gets the good/ bad data?
It wasn’t the coaches that ran faster, missed throws or dropped balls or took bad angles, it was the players. Kansas State was clearly more talented.
Once again simple logic escapes you. It is the same coaching staff that evaluated and recruited a less talented group of players and turned that same 60th recruiting class into a more talented group.? See how that works?
It was the coaching staff (ksu) that adjusted and exploited. And the other went into a shell again and got exploited on both sides of the ball.
