A convenient suspension AFTER the region and state tournament will surely show him who's boss at SJV.
Knox father arrested at state tourney match
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The judge doesn’t decide if what he did was right or wrong. The judge has to decide if the NJSIAA has the authority to suspend him based on their regulations.
Everyone is at fault:
-The NJSIAA district alignment is ridiculous
-The south jersey students and fans likely crossed the line with their comments
-The host site clearly didn’t have proper bench areas laid out
-The host security should have put an end to the taunting hours before the incident happened
-Knox father should not have escalated everythint
-Knox shouldn’t have joined in
-The public wrestlers should have had that weird celebration at the end patting themselves on the back for getting Knox tossed
-The coaches shouldn’t have allowed that celebration to happen
The whole thing is a total mess.
Agree and I’ll add, why is SJV wrestling in the public school district?
Why are they not wrestling private and/or parochial schools?
Genuine question – are there not enough wrestlers within those schools to make the competitive balance appropriate for qualification to regions and then AC?
I know I watched videos of him entering the stands and assaulting someone, reportedly a minor. SJV has code of conduct policies regarding participation and attendance at school sporting events. I'm guessing rushing into the stands and throwing punches is not an acceptable code of conduct. These alone are easy to prove or disprove. It's funny it had to come down to a temporary court decision. If SJV and it's athletic department had any balls, they would suspend him for breaking their code of conduct and it would have never gotten to the courts. Shame on them.
Again, whether it was right or wrong (and clearly, I don’t think anyone here is condoning those actions) we do not know what preceeded him doing this
Regardless, In today’s day and age, none of this is surprising to me, whether it’s right or wrong (and I don’t think anyone on here is saying what he did is right)
Moreover, I would actually have been surprised had the suspension held up, given his chance to make history
Right or wrong does not absolve him from violating the code of conduct set forth by the school. If (and that's a big if) he had a "legit" reason to assault a minor, and he is an adult, do you think SJV should waive student conduct policies for him?
It should have never gotten to a judge's decision imo. SJV swallowed their own balls in bypassing their school policies.
From a moral standpoint, I think that they should enforce whatever rules they have in place for situations like this
It’s a Catholic school, and although I’m not Catholic, I would imagine that that goes against their fundamentalteachings
Nor does it set a good precedent to others based on these actions
Getting hazed by the crowd, verbally, can in NO way justify physically assaulting someone in return, no one in the crowd was involved in any physical altercation until his Father ran into the stands & started a physical incident. Knox being on the verge of making history should have no bearing on this, his actions & those of his Father could have cause serious injuries to innocent spectators. Don't try to justify anything because he is a good wrestler, his actions prove he is a bad person
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit
In no way, shape or form have I justified Anything he has done, and have repeatedly said it was not right, nor was it smart.
What I said was I could separate what he did and appreciate and greatness, as they are not mutually exclusive
I appreciated watching Lawrence Taylor back in the day dominate, yet by all accounts, he was not a very good person and certainly did some things not becoming of a football player, and in general, a man
Nobody on here has condone the kids actions - not one single, solitary person
You keep citing history being made to try to justify allowing him to wrestle, that's a cop out, he should have thought about that before he went into the stands & assaulted kids. My reading comprehension is fine & it is easy to see why society is so screwed up with people who refuse to hold others accountable for their actions.
NJSIAA is appealing the ruling, hopefully the police show up at the Regionals tonite & place Knox under arrest for assaulting a minor
I’m not justifying anything, I’m saying that’s likely why the judge approved him being eligible
From a sports standpoint, him going for a 4-peat in New Jersey is nearly unprecedented (I think Mike Gray is the only one who’s ever done it)
Jay, there have been four wrestlers who have done the 4-peat so far.
Per a comment of yours above -- the parochials have always wrestled with the publics. Many don't like it, but it's what (in my opinion) makes the NJ state tournament a gem. At the individual level, wrestlers from all schools, public and private, large and small, compete for a single state championship.
[edited to remove a comment about whether the wrestler's accomplishments should be a factor in this decision.]
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Well, threre's another thing that you're wrong about. The list includes Mike Grey, Andrew Campolattano, Anthony Ashnault, and Nick Suriano.
Gotcha, gray was the only one I knew about, in my time Damien Hahn was on another level, but I believe he lost in the finals his freshman year
I guess it’s different than one they wrestle for team titles versus individual, as the teams for wrestling in states only wrestle the parochials
Also, I did not say that I agree with the judge on a moral level, I’m saying that’s likely why he approved it, as if the kid was a regular guy, he would’ve most likely been suspended
I’m also saying from an athletic level, I can appreciate what the kids done and his undeniable talent
Jay, I removed that last comment from my post, but not quickly enough. You have made yourself clear and don't deserve the abuse, ha ha...
No worries, I wish that none of this happened as it seems like it could’ve been preventable, and there will always be a stain on this kids legacy, regardless of what he accomplishes
Pathetic. Nobody has a f*cking spine anymore to stand up and do the right thing. Anybody but Knox and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
And you saw this on a video which it seems NJSIAA doesn't recognize from past practices.
Several kids in the back gym were gloating that they were able to incite a situation that got Knox kicked out and their buddy to advance because of it. Calling his mother and sister the "C" word. Where was the security?
Too many schools hire security guards that are senior citizens who are warm bodies to open doors and direct people to the bathroom. Not sure of the situation at that district but wouldn’t be surprised if security wasn’t suited to do anything.
If someone presses charges before states would that be cause to DQ him from competing?
No, the only thing the courts are determining is whether or not the NJSIAA has the authority to ban him from the tournaments.
Again, what about SJV??? Who cares about the courts? Where is SJv's spine in relation to students and their code of conduct? Make your stance and the courts are irrelevant. Bunch of sissies tucking their tail between their legs.
Did Knox Jr throw punches? Was that ever confirmed? Only videos I saw showed father, not sure about son.
If you meant Jr - Witnesses said yes however the phone video out there is very inconclusive. Blurry and can't even see that's its actually him.
So if going up in the stands and throwing punches doesn’t get you DQ then what does it take?
The NJSIAA did the right thing here but the courts gave him special treatment since he’s a star athlete and trying to become a 4xer. If he was simply a random potential qualifier he would 100% be disqualified/suspended. Plenty of athletes in NJ have been suspended for FAR less but hey let’s entitle people who have no regard for others and think they can do whatever they want. It’s a great lesson and will surely stop him from doing it again. It’s an embarrassment and a slap in the face to the rest of us.. God forbid someone has to suffer consequences for their actions.
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The camden players got suspended for something similar, but knox gets a pass... bad look
Yes….further to your point, that Camden team had a top 5 player in the nation DJ Wagner who was part of the the greatest basketball lineage in NJ history.
I think SJV was included as a defendent and couldnt prevent him from competing.
The school actually supported the decision initially in public statements.
Id have to look at the ruling again to be sure
Knox jr was not charged with a criminal charge yet. That is where due process of the law applies. It does not apply on a foul, penalty, or being thrown out of a game for a violation of the rules, including suspension for any said act.
There’s arguments from both sides why it is and isn’t. Part of Knox’s side is arguing that he was no longer competing which makes him a spectator, and in the district tournament the “bench area” is mixed in with the rest of the crowd. As nonsensical as it sounds, from a legal standpoint it sounds like he’s right.
The other problem from the NJSIAA side is that it sounds that they made their decision to DQ him without giving him a chance to explain himself, which is a constitutional violation.
In essence, Knox’s actions are being excused on technicalities.
Yeah, something definitely isn't right here. Apparently, they did identify him from the video and corroborating victim testimony and the court is going to rule the NJISAA has no right to impose their regulations? Did this judge go to SJV? In no world did the NJISAA overstep their bounds, it's their sanctioned event.
NOT being a 3x state champ going for a 4th?
SJV student code of conduct should apply to participants AND spectators I would think. SJV could have put the hammer down.
I struggle to follow why due process applies here. He was disqualified from a wrestling tournament by the governing body of the tournament. Why does due process exist? Damion Logan slammed a scrub junior year and was disqualified could he have sued?
When Camden was disqualified from the state tournament for the exact same thing a few years ago, that was that. DJ Wagner was a higher profile athlete than Knox in terms of the public consciousness.
I don’t disagree but again on the technical side, Vianney isn’t hosting the event so the spectators aren’t their problem. Also, if Vianney suspended him for all of this the same due process stuff applies so I think that’s a moot point. There’s really no precedent for this situation.
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