Good point which makes this thread even more ridiculous than it already is.
Layups Part 3
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Hyatt shot that ball on his way down.
That’s why it looked feeble and awkward.
The question is, what would that defender in the paint have done if he set himself and went up strong
Not sure.. But if it wasn't for Cliff swatting the ball and prevening SHU from rebounding Paul's miss, Hyatt probably wouldn't have even gotten the ball to take a shot... Video of the play is below.
Yes I’m sure a starting forward on a Big Ten team doesn’t work on his overall game.
Yup, ridiculous to think that, insulting and disrespectful to the players and coaches.
You think bc you see guys on a Big Ten floor - that they put equal, time and effort -- in all parts of their game? Interesting
No Division 1 player should miss an uncontested layup and sure it happens but damn Andre has missed 2 now at Miami and against Seton Hall that would have tied the game late. Yes there are nerves but that should never happen and the better use of the backboard might help because I never want to see that miss again. Those giving Nuts shit for this thread , need to show me another team in the country that had a guy miss an uncontested layup like what happened to Rutgers . Doubtful you will find one game but almost impossible you will find 2 .
I’m not sure I understand the question, but yes I think every player on our team works on improving their overall game.
Its so difficult to respond to stuff like this. An older player has all the confidence in the world to spot up shoot all day, but hesitant to drive the basketball. Plus misses easy layups over n over.. Yea you're right. He definitely prioritized, developing his driving and finishing ability - as much as his long distance shooting 🤦♂️
He said a player in the B10 definitely works on his overall game. Nope so guys at high major, haven't worked on their overall game. Some are there - mostly bc of genetics. Big hands, tall, can run like a deer, and jump out the building. Some can get by without fully developing their overall game - when they have these traits.
He’s not hesitant to drive the basketball though?
Regardless, you can think a guy might spend too much time working on shooting. That’s not what you said. You said he doesn’t work on his overall game, which is a dumb thing to suggest. You’re also not watching him practice, nor do you know what the coaching staff is having him emphasize, so you quite literally have no idea what you’re talking about.
This is your post that I replied to:
"You think bc you see guys on a Big Ten floor - that they put equal, time and effort -- in all parts of their game? Interesting"
Nobody ever came even close to saying that.
It's hard for people to understand that these kids have worked and continue to work harder at basketball than most people work at anything in their lives.
Everyone is free to interpret, and view things however they want. To me if a player never improved (after 4 years) parts of his game, that are very fixable. Then he didn't really work on his overall game. To another person they may see it different
Perspective is everything.
If you don't have perspective on how much time these guys spend in the gym (past, present and future) and how much of that is with a coach or trainer and you don't have perspective on the drive it takes to be a Big Ten basketball player, you could quite justifiably think that.
It was a tweener shot . . . tentative & somewhere between a bank off the backboard and a straight drop thru the hoop.
When your momentum is on the way down, you’re in trouble, it’s why the change up is a tremendous pitch when thrown correctly 😊
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Correct . . . and using the backboard works with an explosive move. All those squats in the weight room are for the last minutes of the basketball game and the last quarter of the football game. I will give a lot of credit to SHU for their muscle game and their "get inside the opponent's head" game. That aspect of their play was topnotch. Ten games in for Rutgers, the path for improvement is mapped out.
Except when they lead to east dunks.
Cliff led the nation in dunks (supposedly) and Paul led the B1G in assists (actually). If you proudly say this and use this as a reason why we are a good team you can’t have it both ways and complain when 25% (or so) of these attempts result in a turnover.
So…..
Catching the ball flat footed no one is dunking that. Should Hyatt shoot that as if SHU defender isn’t going to try and block it?
It isn’t that easy!
I am going to put a 3 foot putt with no break in front of you and give you $50,000 if you make it. Let’s see if you tough guys make the simple putt.
He was attempting to get the OREB and when Hyatt got it he moved back to be an option for a pass.
Hyatt didn’t miss a layup. He was 7 feet from the basket. The previous possession Cliff took it strong and got stuffed taking a shot from the same spot.
At least give credit for a Hyatt at least getting the OREB. This wasn’t like his miss in the Miami game
At least give credit for a Hyatt at least getting the OREB. This wasn’t like his miss in the Miami game
Have you ever miss timed a jump and not been in a position to do anything athletic or strong?
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He would have had to replant and reset himself to do that.
Maybe he should or could have, I won’t argue that.
But the body position he was in when he let the ball go wasn’t going to allow him to properly use the backboard
Well, if I miss the 3 foot putt by a foot, then I'll be the first to admit that I choked regardless of how tough I think I am.. (wink)
Seriously though, to me it looks like Aundre caught the ball that Cliff swatted back, gathered it in as he came down and bent over, and then jumped to shoot the ball after he had possession. Maybe I'm interpreting the video incorrectly, but that's how I see it... Watch the replay in slow motion if you haven't already, since youtube has the slow motion option. If he shot it on the way down as has been stated, I wonder why he waited to shoot until he was coming down, especially if no SHU player was in position to block his shot... It's not like that was the only way he could get a clean shot off and he had to double pump or hesitate, and he didn't catch the ball in the air and try to shoot it in the same motion. Or maybe if he lost the handle for a second going up for the shot it would make sense, but there's no way to know that.
He had six or seven seconds to decide what his best option was once he had the ball, and he badly missed the shot that he chose to take. So naturally some people will wonder if the results might have been better if he'd made a different choice. I'm aware that time was of the essence and that he might not have thought that he had much time to shoot or get closer to the rim, and if that's the case then his choice of shot is understandable, but unfortunately the end result was that we didn't tie the game on a critical and relatively easy late shot again and ended up losing. Under the circumstances some fans will naturally be frustrated.
That's how it played out, but in reality Cliff didn't get stuffed. He got hacked. Defender's hand was nowhere near the ball or near Cliff's hand. When the ball left Cliff's hand the defenders hand was on Cliff's forearm, about 3 or 4 inches below Cliff's wrist. Bad no call.
Also, defenders were somewhat out of position when Aundre got the ball. Not so on Cliff's previous shot.
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Same as Miami. He looked like he was shocked at how clean of a path to the basket he had.
I’m not personally declaring it (I haven’t looked at end of season stats or anything). It sounded like you were extra skeptical of that specific stat or something.
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Timing was everything in my sport of track & field. Having adequate foot speed for maybe a half mile or mile race, but running the hurdles, timing my steps over the highs had to be error free to be competitive. Baton passing in the shorter relay races left no margin for error in handoffs. We trained to do blind passes with the arm toward the outside of the track. Pump your arm three times and then reach back. In a few big races, I had to take the handoff from our guy who ran a 21.8 220yd. dash at the Woodbridge straight cinder track. He qualified for the state meet in the 100 & 220.
Bottomline, basketball or track, the fundamental footwork and movement of other body parts coordinated through practice makes proper technique automatic. Mentally, you have to expect and even crave the physical contact in shooting.
As a freshman team backup center at a high school whose varsity squad was on its way to a consecutive state final game, I was instructed to go up strong. Nobody was calling fouls in practice, so contact when going up was not unusual. Pretty sure I made contact with the starting center sometimes who had at least a couple inches and maybe 20 lbs. on me. He never said a thing about it. That was noticeable to me as he had been a bully toward me in 8th grade(we went to different schools) and, after a frosh football practice, he wanted to fight in the parking because I stood up to him on the field. Don't know what happened from that Friday afternoon to Monday's practice, but he wasn't there then or for the rest of the season. Then, when BBall started, everything was cool.
Timing was everything in my sport of track & field. Having adequate foot speed for maybe a half mile or mile race, but running the hurdles, timing my steps over the highs had to be error free to be competitive. Baton passing in the shorter relay races left no margin for error in handoffs. We trained to do blind passes with the arm toward the outside of the track. Pump your arm three times and then reach back. In a few big races, I had to take the handoff from our guy who ran a 21.8 220yd. dash at the Woodbridge straight cinder track. He qualified for the state meet in the 100 & 220.
Bottomline, basketball or track, the fundamental footwork and movement of other body parts coordinated through practice makes proper technique automatic. Mentally, you have to expect and even crave the physical contact in shooting.
