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Stop with the losers mentality. We can get a young dynamic HC for $2M per year. He doesn't need to come from a P5 conference. This program needs an injection of energy right now. These retreads who are currently unemployed will not energize our fanbase or the HS recruits and will be criticized by the media starting on day one.
We need to stop looking for bargains on the clearance aisle at Walmart. The reason they are on the clearance aisle is because nobody wants them.
While I agree that we are a ways off from beating OSU or probably Michigan, it is not a total rebuild. With a good coaching staff you have the following pieces in place:
QB - Rettig (upside) or Laviano (experience) Also Dare and Russo waiting.
RB - Two potential studs
WR - I don't think this group has been developed or used properly and has way more potential then they have shown.
DL - Experience and a stud in Hamilton (assuming he doesn't transfer)
DB - Despite the struggles this year - this group is very young and getting a lot of experience.
My point is there are some very important pieces in place.
Schiano as HC and DC, bring back the fast aggressive defense of old and make a mark on the league (let's start knocking out some QBs again, wouldn't you have loved to see Hamilton and Longa in a schiano coached D). That frees up some money for a top notch OC. How awesome would it be to see GS lead the team out of the tunnel on opening day for the first time back on the banks to finish what he started.
Or get the guy from Houston who is 10-0.
Or get the guy from Houston who is 10-0.
Houstons guy is going to end up somewhere else. Too many more attractive opportunities even if we pony up the dough. Im sure we will try to get him - so will most of the other teams with openings.
Many, including myself, would say he never really could coach all that well while he was here. He wasn't some guru. He built us up to a level and plateaued. Deal with it. Let's move forward and get away from the retreads
It's almost impossible to know. How do you separate out groups that are under-performing because of talent or groups that are under-performing because of coaching/schemes? Looking at recruiting rankings we're going to be pretty damn far down the list of talented teams the next couple of years. I think people will wind up shocked at how little talent we actually have. Sure we have experience at DL, do we have any talent? At DB, they are young and a couple look to be OK, but we're still thin and not particularly talented.
If you look across this team and then compare to any other big Ten team we play, we might possibly have a talent advantage at RB over some of the teams we play. For this year, when Carroo plays we probably have the best WR. That's it, that's the entirety of our advantages. Disadvantages? All the other WR, the OL, the DL, the DB, the QB and for pro set teams the TE and the FB.
I agree there are many things to fix, my point was there is some talent on the roster. I believe that talent has not been used to it's full potential. IMHO the biggest re-build needs to be the coaching (both on the field and recruiting.)
It is very simple we need someone can right the ship and rebuild the program and get it back to what it was when Flood took it over in 3-4 years and hopefully progress it further than that. Then in 2021 we will be able to afford any damn HC we want within reason to help us take he program to the next level and FINALLY awake the sleeping giant... for real this time.
It's a rebuild for several reasons.
Best skill player? Gone
Best OL? Gone
Kickers? As bad as they've been, gone.
DL? Might be gone/might be back. Some depth has emerged, but nothing that gets you excited against OSU, MSU, Mich or PSU.
LBs? Does Longa come back? If not, that group is thin as anything.
DBs-There is B10 talent there, which is ironic considering the pre-season
RBs-B10 talent
TE-color me unimpressed
QB-Lavs is a debacle. Retting would be a first year starter. I think Dare gets swallowed up in the depth chart and eventually transfers. You have faith in true frosh Russo beating any of the big 4 in our division?
Now, here is the biggest issue. Rumors abound that the search will focus on a coach with a spread offensive system. IF...and I'm stressing IF...that materializes, our QBs are all wrong and will be behind a line that hasn't blocked that way since HS (if at all).
Installing the spread isn't Organic Chemistry, but you can expect 1-2 years of a steep learning curve and mismatched personnel until the new guy recruits an OL and QB to run the system.
It's a rebuild...it might not be a total tear down, but it's a rebuild.
Best skill player? Gone
Best OL? Gone
Kickers? As bad as they've been, gone.
DL? Might be gone/might be back. Some depth has emerged, but nothing that gets you excited against OSU, MSU, Mich or PSU.
LBs? Does Longa come back? If not, that group is thin as anything.
DBs-There is B10 talent there, which is ironic considering the pre-season
RBs-B10 talent
TE-color me unimpressed
QB-Lavs is a debacle. Retting would be a first year starter. I think Dare gets swallowed up in the depth chart and eventually transfers. You have faith in true frosh Russo beating any of the big 4 in our division?
Now, here is the biggest issue. Rumors abound that the search will focus on a coach with a spread offensive system. IF...and I'm stressing IF...that materializes, our QBs are all wrong and will be behind a line that hasn't blocked that way since HS (if at all).
Installing the spread isn't Organic Chemistry, but you can expect 1-2 years of a steep learning curve and mismatched personnel until the new guy recruits an OL and QB to run the system.
It's a rebuild...it might not be a total tear down, but it's a rebuild.
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Here's what would be telling. Many say Julie was nowhere to be seen during the Nebraska game. Did she do her usual, hug Flood when he gets off the bus? If she does not hug Flood when he gets off the bus for the Maryland game, I would say he's toast.
I don't follow recruiting much at all so could be completely wrong but didn't Rettig play in spread type offense in high school?
Don't know, but I thought the reason he left LSU was the new OC or HC changed to the spread.
Well, if we go spread with a read option, we have a player on the squad who is fast and has a QB rating of 472. Did you see the laser he threw last weekend into the end zone?
Granted Rettig is always running for his life by the time he gets any snaps, but he doesn't strike me as a guy who's going to excel running the option.
But I could be wrong.
But I could be wrong.
My point is simple.
Flood's recruiting has not be up to B10 levels. I think that is not up for debate, no?
That, coupled with a new offensive system, would suggest that the new guy is going to struggle for at least 2 seasons. I'm not saying the shelves are totally bare. But we're at a distinct talent disadvantage in our division. That, more than anything, suggests to me that we should view the job as a rebuild and give the new staff a fair bit of slack in terms of results on the field.
Flood's recruiting has not be up to B10 levels. I think that is not up for debate, no?
That, coupled with a new offensive system, would suggest that the new guy is going to struggle for at least 2 seasons. I'm not saying the shelves are totally bare. But we're at a distinct talent disadvantage in our division. That, more than anything, suggests to me that we should view the job as a rebuild and give the new staff a fair bit of slack in terms of results on the field.
I agree with that. I don't know how long the transition will be but I think there will be one.
The shelves may not be totally bare, but we're down to ramen noodles or cat food. When you don't have top half of the conference talent at WR, OL or QB you're in trouble. Our LBs could be criminally thin without Longa, the DL is adequate at best and the DBs will still be young and thin.
In fact, other than RB, we won't have top half of the conference talent at a single position, but we might have bottom 2 or 3 talent at 3 or 4 positions. The cupboards are looking pretty damn bare to me. Basically we have good RBs.
I did use "not TOTALLY bare." lol
I tend to agree with you. Was just being diplomatic. haha
I agree a new coach regardless of pay should not be judged for on field performance for at least 2 years. However, I do believe he can be judged on his recruiting classes. If he finishes 7-5 in year three you're going to have a mutiny and not by the fanbase, but instead by the professors, president and new Governor. This is why RU has always been cautious in hiring a high end HC.
Rettig played in a pass oriented spread system high school - similar to Mike Leach's Air Raid offense with more elements of a vertical passing game.
Rettig is a pocket passer. He would not be a good fit for a Gun and Run spread system that is being run by guys like Rich Rod and Urban Meyer.
Rettig is a pocket passer. He would not be a good fit for a Gun and Run spread system that is being run by guys like Rich Rod and Urban Meyer.
Oh ... it would be fun -- you might be right in that such an all-star cast would still require time to consistently come out a winner against the big boys of the B1G .
... but one thing is for sure - even in the first year - a real talented & visionary coaching staff would make every one of the big boys of the B1G dread the Rutgers game - they would fear getting upset, getting outsmarted, getting their weakness exploited, they would fear the sly foxes on the Rutgers Coaching staff would pull rabbits out of a helmet & they would be flying home on the plane furious that they got out coached ....
- there is ZERO threat of that happening with Flood at the wheel!
Sounds like my kind of coach & i remember him from the '80s so i'd take him WITH John Blake(1 of the best recruiters ever Big Game Bobwon his bcs with Blakes players) just put in some stipulations but with these 2 coaches leading the killer staff i'm sure Davis would put together i would be pissed if we didn't get half of the top 10 every year!
Spread is a very general term - rich rod and mike leach both run "the spread" but they are very different types of offense.
I have been preaching this for a while
We are not a total rebuild if a 4-3 defensive coach and a pro style offensive coach comes on board
If we get, as an extreme, rich rod running his version of the spread and the 3-3-5 defense, we have a conplete roster mismatch and a major rebuild job
Point is you can judge what you have coming back until you know what we will be running with the new guy and how stubborn he Weill be to put his system in with players that don't fit it
