I dont think it is. Coaches go to new schools all the time.
All part of the recruiting business.
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I dont think it is. Coaches go to new schools all the time.
All part of the recruiting business.
Just because he would not recruit better than Flood does not mean he would recruit well enough here to beat team that are going to recruit better. Say he brings in on average the 30th ranked class, has he shown he could beat team that have more talent at Miami? So basically we would be starting with 4 losses every year, OSU, UM, MSU and PSU.
It's amusing to me you have a higher standard for the coach that needs to replace Flood but for Flood himself your standards couldn't have been lower.
It is not about Flood, it is whether Golden is the best option. Maybe he is, I don't know. Are we going to be in the same place is four years?
People fairly complain about RU blowouts, Miami got beat 58-0 at home.
It's not about the recruits remembering him, it's about his coach and family remembering him.
Schools that did better against Clemson than Miami:
Wofford
Appalachian State
Syracuse
It's amazing that we have pages of threads detailing the current coach's failures and statistics (which I don't disagree with), but folks are turning a blind eye to many red flags with some candidates. It's like dumping a fat, lazy, toothless, ugly spouse for a fat, lazy, ugly spouse. The flaws are still there, but folks will justify the new one in some way as being "better" even if a more expensive option. Everyone will have flaws, but Golden has too many at too high of a price.
Don't know about the rest of you but I'm already tired of the idea of Al Golden as the next RU HC. Anyone who was canned during the season is not going to create a winning buzz at RU.
We should aim higher.
True... all you do is say that they used to suck, but now i'm here making things much better.
I understand your point but can you explain or elaborate. Are u suggesting they renegotiate our financial phase in? I don't understand.
I agree. While I personally think it would probably be best for both Greg and RU to go separate ways, I remember how some crucified the man while he was here. Others said exactly what you just did -- you're likely to miss him when he's gone.
Regardless of what anyone thinks of Schiano, he was a far better coach at RU than Flood -- despite how many said that wasn't possible.
I'd welcome him back and give him a chance to finish what he started; however, I know that coaches that return rarely have great success stories written. It might even be difficult for Greg to recapture the buzz he had when he first got to RU. Although I do wish I had seen him on the recruiting trail being able to push the Big Ten. I think he did a very good job at finding NFL-type players in a conference that was falling apart. What could he do in one of the most powerful conferences?
I guess what had been said, if he had been bad mouthing the staff, it is not an issue. But if it was the school or something that does not change, it would be harder.
Greg is his own worst enemy...if he lightened up I would welcome him back with open arms...if he did not learn from his mistakes, he will never take us to that next level he always talked about...if he did change, it would be very interesting...
I agree. You bring in a guy who was fired midseason from his last coaching gig - what kind of a message does that send?
We have some top recruits in this state who like Rutgers but wouldnt come here because they didn't think Flood could compete and win big games.
You want to land good recruits - bring in a coach who is a winner and will implement schemes that will allow us to compete with Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc. Good recruits want to play for a team that can compete with anyone.
Need a great, high profile OC more than Smith, under Schiano.
I have to admit Golden is a bit of a hard sell for me right now. People make excuses for him at Miami but he should have done better in the ACC. I would have given him something of a pass on recruiting early on because of the Shapiro overhang but that was not the issue. Questionable whether he is any better a game day coach than Schiano. Not sure how strong his Florida recruiting pipeline is that we could expect many kids coming North. In NJ he would do better than Flood but that is a pretty low bar. You would still have to deal with Franklin, Meyer, Harbaugh and D Antonio coming in on high caliber kids selling their reputable programs and selling that you will still get play in NJ a couple of times during your career. Then you have what presumably will be better coaches at both Maryland and UVA which means getting kids from that region could be challenging. My point here is that while recruiting is very important, game day coaching should not be under weighted. Its a tough job and I would be talking to many looking for a compelling case for how they intend to get it done.
I think some Rutgers fans need a severe reality check....the dismissing of experienced coaches just because they failed somewhere else is ignorant. Dont underestimate a coach who has been at the big table before
Vince Lombardi could come in here with Bill Walsh as his OC and Hoodie as his DC and he isn't beating OSU, Mich or MSU in the next 3-4 seasons. This is a total rebuild as this point.
That can't be the metric for evaluating a potential candidate.
That can't be the metric for evaluating a potential candidate.
There is not one particular metric. Like I said this is going to be a tough job and don't disagree that it is close to a total rebuild. Not like what Schiano inherited but heading in that direction. Recruiting, Schemes, Resume and network of coaching contacts for potential assistants would be some of the decision points for me. Of course no significant NCAA issues would be a prerequisite as well. Julie also need to figure out whose opinions she trusts to bounce ideas off of. Can Jurich fill such a role?
I agree this is somewhat of a rebuild. These kids have to be taught to compete again but there is talent on this roster. Not in all position groups but there is talent. With the right scheme and a coach that knows how to "coach" this roster is serviceable. This d should not be giving up yards by the acre. That is coaching. This O should be able to put drives together. That is coaching. These kids just have not been put in the best spot to compete and succeed. I think this coaching staff got away from fundamentals. The next crew has to get back to basics and make the game fun and exciting not just to the fans but the kids that are playing.
There is some good give and take here
The one thing I keep coming back to is our division is
Ohio state and Meyer
Michigan and harbaugh
Michigan state and dantonio
Penn state (not sold on franklin yet)
Those are ONE THIRD of our annual schedule
We need a coach that can recruit against the big boys at the highest level
Those teams are going to get the players
If we don't...it's going to take a hell of a coach to out X's and O's coach the talent these guys have YEAR IN and YEAR OUT
It's paramount to get a coach who can recruit
I'm warming to al golden a lot
I plan to so some serious digging to see what happened there
He did a really good job in temple and had Miami (even with NCAA probation that he did not know about when taking the job) and got to #7 and 7-0 in year three (2013)
Gokng to see what really happened there
The one thing I keep coming back to is our division is
Ohio state and Meyer
Michigan and harbaugh
Michigan state and dantonio
Penn state (not sold on franklin yet)
Those are ONE THIRD of our annual schedule
We need a coach that can recruit against the big boys at the highest level
Those teams are going to get the players
If we don't...it's going to take a hell of a coach to out X's and O's coach the talent these guys have YEAR IN and YEAR OUT
It's paramount to get a coach who can recruit
I'm warming to al golden a lot
I plan to so some serious digging to see what happened there
He did a really good job in temple and had Miami (even with NCAA probation that he did not know about when taking the job) and got to #7 and 7-0 in year three (2013)
Gokng to see what really happened there
To be fair we almost beat Msu this year and we can play with pay. I don't know if I would say it is a total rebuild yet. There is talent coming back next season with the right coach and system we could win 8 games.
With all due respect, what big table has Al Golden attended ?
Does anyone suspect that at Goldens intro press conference as the next RU HC that the media will focus their questions on what went wrong at Miami and why should things be any different at RU ?
IMHO, hiring a recently fired or out of work HC is a sure fire momentum killer for the RU FB program. RU needs a dynamic HC that has won recently. Is that Al Golden ? I'd say No.
Wasn't MSU down 9 starters for our game this year? I think we need to fade that game a little bit.
No. What they will do is project to RU what the number will be in 3 years and basically put pressure on them to spend up early.
You people have lost your mind, Al freaking Golden.
Please list Al Golden's best wins at Temple. No seriously, dig deeper on his record at Temple and convince me why he wouldn't be a horrible hire.
Please list Al Golden's best wins at Temple. No seriously, dig deeper on his record at Temple and convince me why he wouldn't be a horrible hire.
In the history of the BIG no teams have been able to recruit and play with Ohio State and Michigan on a sustained basis. Teams might get into 5-10 year cycles where they can compete, but eventually they to fall short. BIG has been playing Football for around 120 years. OSU and Michigan have combined to win 77 titles. That leaves 43 for the rest of the schools.
Al Golden's best year at Temple was 2009, his fourth year there. 9-4(7-1)
Schedule
Villanova (1aa) - LOST
PENN STATE(11-2) - Lost
Buffalo(5-7) - Win
Eastern Michigan(0-12) - win
Ball State(2-10) - win
army(5-7) - win
Toledo(5-7) - win
Navy(10-4) - win
Miami (OH)(1-11) - win
Akron(3-9) - win
Kent state(5-7) - win
Ohio(9-5) - loss (division title on the line)
UCLA (7-6)- loss
Schedule
Villanova (1aa) - LOST
PENN STATE(11-2) - Lost
Buffalo(5-7) - Win
Eastern Michigan(0-12) - win
Ball State(2-10) - win
army(5-7) - win
Toledo(5-7) - win
Navy(10-4) - win
Miami (OH)(1-11) - win
Akron(3-9) - win
Kent state(5-7) - win
Ohio(9-5) - loss (division title on the line)
UCLA (7-6)- loss
I am trying to figure if golden is an improvement over schiano. Both have decent bodies of work to analyze although different given that schiano went the nfl route.
Golden maybe a better recruiter but not sure by how wide a margin. A lot would depend on the make up of the staff.
Both seem to be questionable game day coaches prone to gaffes and coming up small in big games. Rarely other than perhaps against edsall did I think schiano out coached the opponent. Again staff composition would be important.
We know schiano was a micro manager to a fault where it appeared he had difficulty retaining continuity on his staff. I don't know about golden in this regard.
We know schiano instituted a strong academic support program which I assume remains in place although this investigation underway has me wondering if flood was cutting corners.
I think both have been clean with the ncaa.
Schiano is a defensive coach whereas golden seems more of a pure game manager and willing to delegate more to his coordinators.
I am not trying to make this comparison as an endorsement for schiano but if Miami goes in a different direction, I assume he would consider coming back if approached. If choosing between the two what makes golden better other than he is different and would represent a clean start? Again hoping for a better option outside these two.
Golden would not be warmly embraced by all and while hopefully everyone would rally around the selection, the media would have plenty to work with if they wanted to write stories questioning the choice.
Golden maybe a better recruiter but not sure by how wide a margin. A lot would depend on the make up of the staff.
Both seem to be questionable game day coaches prone to gaffes and coming up small in big games. Rarely other than perhaps against edsall did I think schiano out coached the opponent. Again staff composition would be important.
We know schiano was a micro manager to a fault where it appeared he had difficulty retaining continuity on his staff. I don't know about golden in this regard.
We know schiano instituted a strong academic support program which I assume remains in place although this investigation underway has me wondering if flood was cutting corners.
I think both have been clean with the ncaa.
Schiano is a defensive coach whereas golden seems more of a pure game manager and willing to delegate more to his coordinators.
I am not trying to make this comparison as an endorsement for schiano but if Miami goes in a different direction, I assume he would consider coming back if approached. If choosing between the two what makes golden better other than he is different and would represent a clean start? Again hoping for a better option outside these two.
Golden would not be warmly embraced by all and while hopefully everyone would rally around the selection, the media would have plenty to work with if they wanted to write stories questioning the choice.
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Golden, Schiano and Edsall all are out of work and need to rebuild their careers. Two of them got canned during the season and the other has been unemployed for two years.
Let them work their way back as a HC on someone else's dime.
RU needs to aim higher if we want to compete in the B1G. There is no pride for the fanbase if we remain a conference doormat.
are you ponying up the extra $2 million to bring the next head coach salary to $4 million for a dynamic coach that has won recently. Do you realize that this job is near the bottom of Power 5 jobs
