With all coaches, there's still ego involved. I don't believe he'd take a huge pay cut to coach in 2016 at RU. He can likely sit out a year or two, collect his pay from Miami, and then take a job when he finds the perfect fit.
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With all coaches, there's still ego involved. I don't believe he'd take a huge pay cut to coach in 2016 at RU. He can likely sit out a year or two, collect his pay from Miami, and then take a job when he finds the perfect fit.
I think he'd consider Rutgers a "perfect fit"..or close to it. Jersey guy, big 10, semi-rebuild. Great academics and integrity.
Coming home may make it worth it for him.
Mike Leach threw himself at Miami in 2010:
http://davegeorge.blog.mypalmbeachp...-job-in-2006-and-lobbied-hard-for-it-in-2010/
"Leach’s recollection is that Miami didn’t think he would take a salary cut to come. He was willing to work that out, he said, but couldn’t agree to join the Hurricanes unless he could bring his own staff. Miami wanted several guys, Shannon included, to stay on with a new coach.
“My experience is that nobody believes you will work for less than what you’re getting,” said Leach, “but I will because it’s about quality of life and situations and challenges.”"
If Rutgers is smart, they would put their foot down on who Golden brings with him as OC and DC.
Al Golden was never a real candidate at Penn St. outside of him begging for the job. RU can do much better. Like anyone is better.
Doesn't GS have a winning record against Edsall?
Why hire loser coaches who just got fired when there are less damaged goods? RU fans make little sense sometimes. You think Maryland or Miami fans are looking to hire Kyle Flood?
I tend to agree...hire a guy who was just shitcanned...it would make it easy for other schools to negatively recruit against us.
They are already doing that now, so I want a guy who can give us a fresh start on the recruiting trail.
One other important facet to remember. While HCKF got a pay raise in his contract, his buyout of $700k never changed.
Because the MAC flavor of the year (there are about four of the right now) is just going to tear it up, but a guy who is a proven recruiter at this level wont be able to convince kids to come here.
Cali - Schiano was 5-4 against Edsall. Once again - Schiano is Edsall. People can pretend that its not so. but its so. Schiano coming back to RU will lead us to Maryland under Edsall results.
Kyle Flood couldn't get a job at Stony Brook right now. With his performance on the field coupled by his performance off the field, forget him ever being a head coach again. Possible assistant coach in the future
One more tidbit. Don't for one minute think the boys in Chicago aren't paying attention. They have living proof now of what a good Rutgers football team can do on a Saturday night on their network. They can't afford to let us face plant into obscurity right now.
This is incorrect. He took over Temple that dropped down to the MAC level from the BE. I forget the guys name, but he wrote an article with pin point data about how much of an advantage Temple had in spending and facilities when they dropped down a level.
And he still never won a title.
Ok let me be clear about what I'm trying to say here. If we can truly land and pay for elite program building winners like Brian Kelly, Chip Kelly, Butch Jones or Jimbo Fisher I say by all means "go for it". If the University is truly tight on funds (which I know it is) and can only spend between 1.25 and 2 million per year your choices become limited. I know of four or five (very average) HC's who fall inside that pay range and Randy Edsall is among the five. Coach Herman is a commodity and will not entertain Rutgers. Even Strong who has failed in Texas can do better than us both economically and in stature. So I beg the question who is left?
What a school is willing to pay and what Miami would allow him to take, might be different.
Deeply discounted price might not be acceptable to Miami since they probably would have to pay the difference between what he accepts as HC at the school that hires him and what he made at Miami. Many buyouts have clauses in it stating the fired HC can't under-price himself when getting a HCing position and school that fired him has to make up the difference in salary
I'd love to see this data.
Temple was kicked out of the Big East after the 2004 season. 2005 & 2006 they were independent with 8 road games. They were in the MAC 2007-2011.
Golden coached there 2006-2010.
And outside of a few RU people, Al Golden is in the same boat. His on field performance, at a school like Miami, is horrendous. He is a sweaty Flood with a tie.
And Golden's first year in the MAC was a huge jump. They were independant for 2 years after the Big East (huge disadvantage). The team won just 3 games the 3 prior years he got there. He won a game as an IND. in his first year, then 4 in the first year in the MAC. Huge jump for such a small program...in my opinion.
Whoever gets hired better be able to recruit. That is job #1.
Well if winning titles is the measure, you should recommend Flood to your USC giving rep.
How many BE championships did Schiano win? How many BCS bowl games did Schiano take us to? How many times did Schiano beat WV or Cincy? Edsall may be 4-5 against Schiano but he is much better especially when one considers he did all this with two and three star recruits. If you were to set your personal feelings aside you would see that Edsel at UCONN was much more successful than Schiano at Rutgers.
GS is overrated by this board, but I do not want Edsall here. Even Flood beat his team in the Big Ten. No Thank you. We can not afford to go backwards or sideways we must go forward!
Take of the tie, and give Golden a shower, and he will be good to go. What's worse, a 4 year Flood or a Golden shower at twice the cost?
If Miami had the choice of paying his full $2.5M or $500 to $700k, what would be their choice?
Still, my initial point was just because he was making $2.5M, that does not mean he would command the same amount going forward.
Can't give HCRE a pass for not recruiting better, that is a big part of being a headcoach. I know that GS had more local HS talent to recruit.
No you cant. Which is why ouy look at the records. Schiano was 5-4 against him. They had the same Big East record. Schiano was a better recruiter, but didnt get as much out of the talent.
Really - once you make this connection - that Edsall and Schiano had basically the same results - its hard to come up with a rationale to hire Schiano other than - he used to coach here. I think Schiano II would end up looking alot like Edsall's MD.
This is probably a true ... well, true-ish ... statement.
The best way for the Big Ten to help RU not face-plant into obscurity (which is not going to happen, simply by virtue of RU's location - which is why RU is in the Big Ten anyway) is to accelerate the revenue-sharing phase-in period. That would give RU extra cash.
But I cannot see that happening: A contract is a contract, and the other Big Ten teams will not want to give up the millions they would have to in order to help RU get better. RU is going to have to do it themselves, and wait for the phase-in to be 100% a few years from now.
Separately, it is idiocy of the highest order, and amazingly short-sighted, for the RU Administration not to be willing to spend a little more than its comfort zone NOW, because the money will not be here for another 2-3 years or so. It is not like there is any SPECULATION as to how much money it will be ... it will be AT LEAST what the money is for each Big Ten team now (in other words at least $15 million to $18 million per year more than RU is getting now). And probably it will be closer to $30 million per year more than now.
Yes. He was a HUGE negative recruiter, specifically against RU. And D'Onofrio was MUCH worse than Golden - but while working with Golden. D'Onofrio also was making recruiting calls from his office at RU for his new team (the team he accepted an offer to coach for, but before he had told RU and Schiano he was leaving) and while still working for RU. Really low class, sleazy and downright fraudulent.
You know, just once, I'd like our guys to roll like this. The whole recruiting biz is a dirty mess, why be the cleanest pig?
Greg Schiano is not as bad as Randy Edsall by a long shot.
Randy never put together a 10 win season at UConn, he finished at 9-4, once.
Greg put together an 11 win season and multiple 9-4 campaigns.
The year Randy won the Big East, Uconn was 8-5. This was the kiss of death for Big East football, and proved to the rest of the College Football world that the conference was no longer deserving of "Big 6" power conference status. Randy didn't earn a BCS Bowl bid, they slipped in on a technicality because they had a head-to-head overtime win over WVU, who had a better, 9-3 record.
Greg Schiano put together a top 25 recruiting class, and a few that were within the top 30-35.
Edsall has never done this.
Greg Schiano has been a head coach at the NFL level. He wasn't great, but what have the Bucs done since he left that signals that many of the problems were with the team itself. To say he likely learned nothing in the NFL is pretty presumptuous.
Randy Edsall coached DBs at the Jacksonville Jaguars a decade ago for 3 years.
Tell yourself Greg was bad all you want, but we were a much different, much more respectable program under him. If the next hire goes poorly, we will all be begging for the Greg years back.
Randy never put together a 10 win season at UConn, he finished at 9-4, once.
Greg put together an 11 win season and multiple 9-4 campaigns.
The year Randy won the Big East, Uconn was 8-5. This was the kiss of death for Big East football, and proved to the rest of the College Football world that the conference was no longer deserving of "Big 6" power conference status. Randy didn't earn a BCS Bowl bid, they slipped in on a technicality because they had a head-to-head overtime win over WVU, who had a better, 9-3 record.
Greg Schiano put together a top 25 recruiting class, and a few that were within the top 30-35.
Edsall has never done this.
Greg Schiano has been a head coach at the NFL level. He wasn't great, but what have the Bucs done since he left that signals that many of the problems were with the team itself. To say he likely learned nothing in the NFL is pretty presumptuous.
Randy Edsall coached DBs at the Jacksonville Jaguars a decade ago for 3 years.
Tell yourself Greg was bad all you want, but we were a much different, much more respectable program under him. If the next hire goes poorly, we will all be begging for the Greg years back.
It is just hard to starting recruiting for a school that you had been bad mouthing for years.
And this is why I won't hate the Golden hire. I don't think our fan base understand how little talent is on this team right now.
Did not know this about D'Onofrio.
2002-2003 Rutgers (LB/RC)
Well, screw him. If I were Julie, I would not let him back in the Hale Center. And if Al Golden cannot accept that, then, next.
I will be really disappointed in Rutgers if they hire Golden and take D'Onofrio if what you posted is correct.
Agreed... she came here obviously to become a successful AD. If anyone thinks she was the reason why Flood even is around at all, you're fooling yourself. There were even rumors that she wanted to fire him two years ago. Even if she fails down the line, Flood is not on her, its on the Rutgers administration for not wanting to eat his contract these last few years.
I think that many are questioning how well Golden would recruit at RU. If he is bringing in classes in the 30's and has shown at Miami that he could not win with more talent in a weaker conference, are we looking at 5-7 to 7-5 records?
He recruited well at Temple for Temple standards and at Miami for Miami standards...but he's going to come here and be worse than Flood? No shot in hell.
He screwed himself by taking the Miami job. It was a terrible fit. He was a northeast guy, with northeast style, trying to navigate the jungle that is Miami. I knew that was a bad hire from day one and laughed when their AD extended him to 2020.
Edsel has always considered a poor recruiter, particularly in relation to GS. For comparison purposes, their records while in the BE are below. And I threw out GS’s first few years, so these records are from 2004, UConn’s first year in the BE. Edsall’s last year was 2010 and GS’s last year was 2011.
Edsall:
50 -37 57.4% 22-26 BE (tied for 1st twice)
Schiano
51-43 54.8% 26-29 BE (tied for 2nd twice)
No real difference - except for the best finishes. Both coaches had to build the programs.
Point being - no one wants Edsel here, and many want Schiano back.
I don't want either coaching RU next year.
