Only because it is Texas? You mean the school with massive revenue and spending, national championships, and has always been a recruiting powerhouse...until Strong arrived. THAT Texas?
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Only because it is Texas? You mean the school with massive revenue and spending, national championships, and has always been a recruiting powerhouse...until Strong arrived. THAT Texas?
He can't recruit at Texas and lost the studs he brought in from Fla., but somehow NJ would love him? Why?
Until he loses [roll]
Many of you have no idea how this all works. Let me help you out. First, the administration goes to the big donor well and ask if they would support a move. After the approval comes, they start making overtures to the agents of coaches. If interest exists, the super big donors are consulted again. During this phase, the donors may possibly meet or speak to said coaches.
I know we are through step two. Not sure if we are at that step 3 yet.
Here's another little leak for you. Barchi wanted Flood fired in September. Flood's attorney threatened a defamation lawsuit because Flood (nor any representative of RU football has attended an internal compliance meeting (inexplicably held in September and only once per year) . Barchi got scared. Backed off. Cue the "special investigation" of the Football program. If Flood won 10 games this year I would not have been shocked if he was still fired. This debacle of a season just makes it easier and will be for cause.
As for coaches and affordability, Golden getting $7m guaranteed from Miami whether he gets a job or not. This puts him in our price range because I suspect he just may agree to that $2m with incentive laden package. Like him or hate him I think we wont do much better. The fact that he had the job at Penn State and turned them down should not be overlooked.
I know we are through step two. Not sure if we are at that step 3 yet.
Here's another little leak for you. Barchi wanted Flood fired in September. Flood's attorney threatened a defamation lawsuit because Flood (nor any representative of RU football has attended an internal compliance meeting (inexplicably held in September and only once per year) . Barchi got scared. Backed off. Cue the "special investigation" of the Football program. If Flood won 10 games this year I would not have been shocked if he was still fired. This debacle of a season just makes it easier and will be for cause.
As for coaches and affordability, Golden getting $7m guaranteed from Miami whether he gets a job or not. This puts him in our price range because I suspect he just may agree to that $2m with incentive laden package. Like him or hate him I think we wont do much better. The fact that he had the job at Penn State and turned them down should not be overlooked.
It is interesting that you lead with "Many of you have no idea . . . "
Al Golden was never offered the Penn State job according to multiple sources.
http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2014/01/penn_state_coaching_search_upd_1.html
"A source I trust told me Golden, the former PSU captain and coach of the Miami Hurricanes, that Golden was never offered he position."
As far as A Golden's Miami contract:
Golden’s contract had run through 2019, but UM is a private school and it is not officially known how much UM will have to pay him for the remainder of this season and 2016 through ’19.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/article41403627.html#storylink=cpy
Thanks for the info, Mrs. Golden.
What they dont do is come on Scarlet Nation and read who everyone wants. Lol.
One more thing. Butch Davis?? Never in 3 million years. Too many scandal plagued events at two schools to make that appeal to Barchi. Barchi barely wants to deal with having an athletic program let alone explaining a Butch Davis hire.
One more thing. Butch Davis?? Never in 3 million years. Too many scandal plagued events at two schools to make that appeal to Barchi. Barchi barely wants to deal with having an athletic program let alone explaining a Butch Davis hire.
If Silencer is Mrs. Golden, it's incredibly sweet that our current and future coach's wives post on the board...
Right, Mrs. Flood?
You can shove your Penn Live article because he demanded a contract after verbally accepting and turned them down because they wanted to still talk to Muncheck (or however you spell his name)
He wanted a contract by end of day that Sunday and when he didnt get it, he announced he was staying.
He wanted a contract by end of day that Sunday and when he didnt get it, he announced he was staying.
Look idiot, I can care less if Golden is hired. Dont forget that Golden is from Monmouth County and went to school down here. Many of us know the family and know the real story on Penn State.
Thank you Captain Google. My 8 year old daughter could have given me your insight
C'mon ruhudsonfan, you are better than that, or at least I thought you were. Check my post history post Wisconsin. You are not one of them, but some DB's on this board just want to kick other people around for no reason, and it is very tiresome. Don't understand that mentality, but if you want to be part of the band of internet tough guys in flood beater t-shirts, have at it. Have a nice day.
Charlie Strong? You mean you actually want Teddy Bridgewater as Charlie Strong has done absolutely nothing without him. Four of the last six years he has gone 7-6, 7-6, 6-7 and now 4-6. Mind you the last two years are at Texas with all the advantages in the world. And BTW, Bobby Petrino had a much better record at Louisville then Charlie Strong. No thank you. Most over rated and over paid coach in America. Nobody even close. Charlie Weis Part II
Edsel has done done better with far less talent. Butch Davis was never implicated at NC and looks like he left a pretty good team at NC no?
Edsel has done done better with far less talent. Butch Davis was never implicated at NC and looks like he left a pretty good team at NC no?
Lighten up. I asked you a question. No need for the hissy fit. The "real" story is the one your Golden buddies choose to tell? That's rich. Only Al Gloden and the AD at Miami (and probably a few other people at Miami) know the true story, and like most of these types of situations, I would bet their versions of the story differ. Hope you control your anger better with your eight year old daughter.
And one other thing. Employment contracts usually have a confidentiality provision. It means that both parties cannot disclose the details of the contract to others. Ask your 8 year old daughter about that too. Say hi to Al's brother's landscaper or plumber or the guy at Federici's who delivered pizza to his brother who was Sheriff in Monmouth County.
Seriously? Sliencer is a friend. You insulted him first. As my momma says, "don't dish it, if you can't take it."
And absolutely nothing I say here, on a personal level, should be taken seriously. I'd say the same thing to you over a beer in a parking lot and we'd have a laugh over it. It's really not that serious. lol
Well, your "friend" Silencer should take some of your advice. He's spouting a lot of info which is probably based on fifth hand accounts of people who know Golden's family. And there are a lot of people who know the Golden family since his brother is the sheriff in Monmouth County. The "getting $7 million guaranteed" claim is likely confidential information, and I doubt Al would be blabbing this information to his family. I don't know any highly compensated person who tells the details of his/her salary to their poorer family and friends at risk of pissing them off and alienating them.
Unfortunately, I think Golden is a real possibility. If it's him my concern is more about his coordinator choice. Any insight into that? Mark D still glued to the hip? If not any ideas about OC/DC.
BTW I do basically agree with you on how the process likely plays out in changing coaches. Still would be a little surprised at the firing for cause unless something really egregious comes out.
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For those concerned about Flood's loyalty and stubbornness, Golden's loyalty to DC D'Onofrio should be a huge red flag.
Miami Total Defense:
2015--83
2014- 14
2013- 90
2012- 107
2011- 45
IF a change is made, I'm still guessing , NJ native w roots still in NJ, and a younger and cheaper version of Schiano is going to get interviewed and given serious consideration. He may not be sexy, But he is young, has done a good job wherever he's been, having a good year this year, and oh yeah, he's in our limited Budget.
Via Brian Kelly & Al Groh, via Cedar Grove NJ....... UConn's Bob Diaco.
Via Brian Kelly & Al Groh, via Cedar Grove NJ....... UConn's Bob Diaco.
So what you're really getting at is "Silence is Golden"?
I know the numbers and have posted them as well as the offensive numbers (total/scoring). He switched to an up tempo spread in 2013 and that's the one thing I'll say good about him. But again the guy he put in charge of it James Coley didn't deliver anything special. Most of the numbers prior to the spread switch and after were mediocre at best. He was a DC in his career but in my mind he's not some X/O guru, he's a CEO coach so his coordinator choice is extremely important to me if he's going to be the coach. Dabo has done it at Clemson but he's also had a 1M budget for each coordinator prior to this year when Morris had left but he set the table for the new guys.
You are correct, and I along with many here have forgotten Diaco! But, if interested(and I can't see why he wouldn't be), will get at least an interview for the soon to be open position. Nice one Abro!
Anyone find it ironic the silencer is the biggest leak around. Keep the info flowing.
Hey bud, when you cross the 6 figure threshold in RU lifetime giving, give me a call. Until then, I'll be waiting from the Hale Center
I would suspect if Golden is hired he would bring along Donofrio. However he probably dumps his OC.
With that said Im not the AD nor Greg Brown so I have no clue as to who is their top target. What I said and what I will stand by is that Golden fits the economic model of RU for the next few years because of his buyout. I would be absolutely floored to see us go $3m for a coach this year or after next. Tom Herman would be a grand slam but he isnt coming cheap.
I can tolerate him being on the staff but staying away from DC would at least be a step in the right direction. It would be one strike right off the bat if Mark D is his DC again. Who he chooses to be OC/DC is the crux of everything regarding a hire of Golden IMO. Problem is he's had issues in that department so it would worry me a lot.
As for economic model, I agree and while I've liked names like Herman/Fuente for some time they are now likely out of our price range which is why my choices fall down to names from the coordinator/mid major level. That's why Dave Aranda/Doug Meacham are my top choices followed closely by Babers. But I'm just a fan who loves throwing on my "pretend AD" hat and talking about this stuff and my thought/philosophies. We could have Nick Saban as coach and I'd still love doing this stuff, @vkj91 is probably the only one would bother to talk about it with me though lol.
Are you going to change those abysmal defensive stats by his DC? Not exactly answering the questions. One thing I will agree with you on is that Golden probably does have Miami money for the next several years. The question is how much he has and the offsets that kick in for his new salary. And if I was Golden, unless he has a burning desire to come back home, I would keep looking. One thing I could see him fitting in is that if the school is going to announce all sorts of compliance issues in their ongoing investigation, Al knows how to deal with those issues.
But paying a guy about twice what Flood is making who got similar results at Miami, in a weaker conference with great recruiting classes does not seem wise. I gave up because the results were so bad, but he was something like 4 or 5 wins vs. 15 or 16 losses against FBS teams with winning records over the last several years. Not exactly a huge upgrade.
And I am not anti-Golden. I'd like the guy to succeed since we are from the same area. But I just don't see the results at Miami.
That is another thing that has crossed my mind and another reason I think it's a very real possibility.
Would be a total Rutgers move all around. Hire a homer NJ guy for all the wrong reasons. Maybe our slogan could be Honor without success.
I don't know who we are talking to as the next coach, but what RUsilencer writes is pretty consistent with things I'm hearing here and there over the last couple of months
I buy it
I buy it
I don't like Golden but he was a terrible terrible fit in Miami. Miami and their fans desperately want to re-live the glory days of the 80s with drugs, guns, bounties and breaking the law. I was told my someone close to Golden that they forced him to play school yard ball down there. He was a square peg in a round hole. Everyone is also forgetting what he did at Temple. They were going to cut football. I want you to think about that for a minute...Cut football. Today they are doing very well and its thanks to his relentless recruiting and player development (Rhule was on his staff as recruiting coordinator BTW). I don't buy for a minute that a PSU captain turned down the PSU job but I would take him no questions asked over Kyle Flood and I would take him well ahead of that clown PJ Fleck. Even if Golden's Xs and Os are suspect at least we won't be basically starting from scratch with talent on the team if we had to can him...like we will be in 2016.
Yes Rhule was OC there and if you look at the stats of the offense they weren't good. I've posted them here before. OC for Temple for 3 years, the rankings for total offense were (107,92,89) and scoring offense (82,39,79). It's one of the reasons I'm not high on Rhule despite his nice year this year. Ironically enough, Mark D's stats at Temple actually weren't too bad and actually were good IIRC. But when he stepped up a level at Miami he didn't really deliver on the defense. So again issues with coordinator choice IMO.
I'd take him over Flood/Fleck as well but that's not the comparison to make. The comparison is to other available and realistic options of coordinators and mid major coaches out there.
Well, that stint in the NFL certainly didnt disprove the notion that he is overrated by this board.
They were excellent at Temple his last year. Total defense ranking for Temple:
2010- 16th
2009- 32nd
2008- 82nd
They jumped up quite a bit from 2008 to 2010. At Miami, it looked like he turned the corner in 2014, but they have not had a good defense this year. It's probably because they lost Ky Hester. ;) That's not a knock against Ky Hester. He has been decent in his first year at RU.
Yea I remembered Mark D's stats at Temple were better than he did at Miami. He stepped up a level and it didn't follow through and that's with all the talent available at Miami. That's a red flag to me. Part of it I wonder too is it because of the ubiquity of the uptempo spread now. When he was DC at Temple, I don't know how many of those types offenses they faced on a regular basis and now so many schools run them. So could he not handle the step up as well as the change in landscape on offense in college football.
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