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No Fuente or Babers? Would rather have either of them over Golden.
Julie is a miracle worker if she gets Hermann here now.
Julie is a miracle worker if she gets Hermann here now.
Agree that they would be better then Flood, but if we get to choose anyone I really don't want Davis or Schiano. When I get time to look up the numbers I will, but anecdotally I remember both of them as being to conservative for my tastes. Schiano settled for way too many of those 45+ yard field goals where you should be going for it.
Then that should scratch Fleck and Golden off that list.
I gave my two sons names. They are not out of high school yet, but they have names.
How does Butch Davis work after UNC?
Bob Davie was terrible at Notre Dame--or at least terribly inconsistent.
In 2000 the Irish bounced back and finished 9–3 once again. Newly hired athletic director Kevin White promptly gave Davie a five-year contract extension.[6] Within weeks of signing the contract extension, Davie's team lost in the Fiesta Bowl.[6] During the next season, Davie presided over the first 0–3 start in Notre Dame history in 2001. The Irish won their next three games to even their record, but losses to Boston College, Tennessee and Stanford sealed Davie's fate as the Irish finished 5–6.
He was fired on December 2, one day after a 24–18 win over Purdue. Davie was replaced by George O'Leary, who in turn resigned in disgrace after it was revealed that his resume contained inaccuracies. Notre Dame then turned to Tyrone Willingham to lead the program
If this doesn't come to fruition, I'm going to hunt you down and cry about it (I only say "cry" because I think threats are against board rules).
All in jest of course, but damn - we've had our hopes raised in the past too many times.
Well I said Herman and to a lesser degree Strong are the only 2 from that list I'd want.
I think Davis has too many question marks and there's a reason most schools don't want to touch him now. But he did also get a clean bill of health from the NCAA. He also was the coach that cleaned up and led Miami when they were going through their probation in the 90s and basically built those championship teams. The Nevin Shapiro stuff happened after he left and I believe guys like that were kept away during his time. So while I understand the stuff at UNC looks bad on him, it's hard to reconcile the behavior at Miami with what happened at UNC. Tressel had issues at Youngstown State and again had issues at OSU. You see the consistency. Davis was clean and helped clean up Miami and then suddenly turned bad at UNC? Everything you say is plausible but you see the inconsistency of behavior. He's also got the NCAA letter absolving him.
All that being said he's too questionable for us to touch and other schools have basically black balled him and with our media digging around his past I'd stay away for those reasons.
Not really replying to your post. Don't want Davie or Davis but just noticed the new avatar.
Blue skies smiling on me.....:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
We could use UNC alum Steve Politi as a litmus test. Maybe he could write a test article for us, so that we could get a feel for how our "friends" at NJ.com would react.
The sky is always blue somewhere. Sometimes you have to adjust and readjust the direction of your gaze. It works wonders on living a happy life.
I think that's plausible and that's the connection but it's not as if they worked together long. Rhoades left to Mizzou just in the first year after hiring Herman. So there's a connection but how close who knows.
Someone call Mike Francesca's show today and ask . He knows everything about college football.
If Texas fires strong wouldn't he have at least 3 yrs at close to 5mm per left on his deal? If he takes another job does Texas get out from having to pay that unless the negotiate a settlement? Isn't that part of the reason guys take jobs as advisors rather than coaches to preclude voiding the remaining years of their deals? I don't see him as a viable candidate for ru. Herman is difficult to imagine as well with his buyout.
The other thing that is clear is that not many candidates are going to please everyone. Maybe Herman or Fuente? You wonder how many opinions there are amongst those writing checks. I guess it depends how many significant donors are involved.
Flood is going to get fired for cause....cause he sucks
That's always been my most likely guess for Herman if USC went the college route as opposed to NFL assistant. He's from California and his personality just fits the whole hollywood aura of USC IMO.
Maybe he vkj91 meant Julie Hermann to USC?
We cant have an AD named Hermann and a coach named Herman.
Could you imagine the chaos that will ensue at the Fire Herman! and Fire Hermann! posts? Too confusing.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...tes-alabama-cristobal-colts-chudzinski-102515
So most of these candidates would be relevant here too?
So most of these candidates would be relevant here too?
It's already confusing to most. If I had a dollar for every time that's been screwed up here already I could have given Hermann the money to buyout Herman's contract, pay him and bring him here, lol.
You can add Fuente vs Fuentes to that too.
I meant USc JR. Did you see Fedora's name pop up for VaTech? That would be bad bc I'd consider UNC to be a "peer" school pulling form a field of similar candidates as us.
I really have never tried or cared to spell either of their names correctly every time here. Everyone knows who I am talking about.
USCe, that could be but it wouldn't be my first guess for him. USC, Mizzou, Maryland, VT are all spots I see fit him better than USCe but who knows.
Yea I read Fedora's name on VTs list. Would UNC step up and pay him more? Don't know. I do think UNC would be closer competition for our neighborhood than VT. Also read Rich Rod isn't in the VT picture.
It doesn't bother me I don't care, someone brought it up so I just commented. I make a ton of grammatical mistakes on here, sometimes I bother to correct them and sometimes I don't. It's a message board, I don't take it too seriously. The points that people bring up are all that I like discuss.
Always thought three game suspension, was a message to HCKF - negotiate your severance...
Ongoing, investigation - can be fired for cause, lethal strike coming down.
Let's hope it doesn't come to this. Looks bad for RU, in that he wasn't let go at time of violations; and, HCKF, doesn't - in my view - need to be destroyed.
He took a job, and wasn't up to it. Happens, we move on.
Ongoing, investigation - can be fired for cause, lethal strike coming down.
Let's hope it doesn't come to this. Looks bad for RU, in that he wasn't let go at time of violations; and, HCKF, doesn't - in my view - need to be destroyed.
He took a job, and wasn't up to it. Happens, we move on.
I'd love to believe this, I really would. But what gives me great pause is the statement that he will be fired for cause. That is very very difficult to do these days in coaching football or in any business for that matter. Someone would have to go way over the line before the attorneys would give the green light to move forward with this. It begs for law suits and counter suits and an ugly long drawn out settlement that would put RU in a negative light for a long time. Just fire the guy and pay the paltry buyout that is supposedly funded by donors anyway.
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I suppose, I should add, that I think HCKF's stewardship has been terrible, and RU will be better off with another coach... still, find no reason to hate the guy, none, at all.
Now let me get this right Flood is most likely going to get fired over contacting a professor about an athletes grade, however, with the same breath we're considering B. Davis or other coaches who get away with murder. I'm not so sure about this list of Floods replacements. Charlie Strong? The guy is making 4,000,000+ a year at Texas and he's going to come here and coach for 1.5 million. Come on already, it's time for a little reality.
That would have been bad legal advice if true. RU doesn't get to double dip on the punishment. "Here, you're suspended. No, wait, never mind, you're fired. For cause." Add to that a "for cause" investigation that conveniently ends at the time that your ordinarily fire badly performing coaches, and you get a lawsuit and a bad reputation
Moreover, it doesn't make sense. If RU already has ground to fire Flood based on the investigation, they'd fire him now and re-appoint Wilson interim coach. Easy, and fans would be happy. Waiting until season's end makes no one happy.
This is before you even consider the NCAA and potential violations. If RU has already concluded that Flood has done improper, fireable things, the NCAA would have reason to consider why RU kept him on as head coach while it knew this.
The "fire him for cause based on the investigation that hasn't finished" speculation is silliness. I can't imagine that a law firm, along with a firm that specializes in investigations for NCAA purposes, would ever recommend this or allow the situation to play out in a way that it would even appear that RU is doing something like this.
The moment they conclude that Flood has committed fireable offenses, if that ever happens, they'd fire him.
I agree with this and I'd actually be a little surprised if he's fired for cause with a big hoopla about it. The same way we agreed to pay the AAC 11.5M on exit without a big legal fight I'd expect us to let Flood go paying his buyout or maybe a tad less at best. If he's let go, I guess we'll see what happens. I'm not a fan of trying to find new ways to fire coaches, just fire them, pay them and move on. That's how most schools do it unless something really egregious happened.
Not sure your sources aren't playing with you? List seems questionable (although wish it were real):
1. Can't see Schiano being able work with Herman? Herman has a strong presence about her and I can
2. Herman seems to be a target for USCe amongst others - we won't have the money to compete
3. Strong - well first, he has to be fired from Texas. Rutgers is a step down. Second, Miami and others will look at him before us and he will cost $$$, so we won't have the money to compete
4. Davis - UNC scandal; enough said
5. Fleck - only possibility if Illinois does not jump on him first. He also has the baggage to give NJ.com materials to work with for a few years.
Agree on your Davis post. No way RU wants to wade into that mess. As for this thought on Schiano, I don't really think he really cares about RU's situation at this point. Only plus of coming back north would be for the family to see son play at Bucknell. Other than that, while I don't think he is a realistic candidate, I don't think he is exploring RU as an option.
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Thanks, Willis... I respectfully defer to your legal advice, I'm not a lawyer , just taking it from what I have seen in the day to day work world.
