Leaks??

[BoogieKnight]

Herman (please God)
Schiano or Davis (still an upgrade)
Strong (meh)
Fleck (even more meh)
Golden (please God no)

Now, 5 of those 6 are upgrades from Flood, no doubt. I'm not sold on Fleck and his rah rah yet. Golden is qualified and better than Flood just not sure I could get fired up over that hire. No thanks on Strong. For the guy who said he can't win at Texas but that's Texas. Yeah, right. Its only one of the top 5 jobs in college football with virtually unlimited resources and talent base.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

Blowing in that direction? Yes, from what I've heard. Cat 4? Not yet. Above Tropical Storm? yes. lol...where is numbers?

What about if he wins the last 3 games (including bowl game or would he be out before any bowl game)?

 

[jlariv9]

This is what I am hearing from very good sources within Rutgers:

Flood to be fired for cause shortly after season is over.

Julie's short list is as follows:

Schiano
Herman
Strong
Davis
Fleck

1. How good are your sources?
2. Sign me up for any of these guys
3. My ranked order of preference:

a. Herman
b. Davis
c. Schiano
d. Strong
e. Fleck​

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

Well I'm an old timer so I didn't know. I wear a shirt and tie and have plenty of "stain".

No you don't. Stop kidding yourself...

 

[ruhudsonfan]

What about if he wins the last 3 games (including bowl game or would he be out before any bowl game)?

Hold Please...Dialing Julie and conferencing Bob...lol...

yes, it's Hudson and I have Greg Brown here...good good...how are you? excellent...anyhoo...folks on Scarlet Nation want to know what happens if Fludd wins a bowl game? Yes yes I know it's funny...but they really want to know

 

[NorthNJRUFan]

coaches get fired and rehired all the time. I hate the shirt and tie, he's not my top choice, but we could do way worse than Al Golden.

We could do worse but we could also do much better. I donno its not my money but Id rather throw $100K at a winner than $50K and hope for the best.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

Miami are looking at Mario Cristobal as their 1st choice.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...-interested-in-bringing-mario-cristobal-home/

Why would they go for Christobal when they can have a former NFL coach in Schiano? Dumb decision imo. The only coach i'd want over Schiano would be Herman on that list.

 

[Caliknight]

There is this:

UL total defense:
2009: 65
2010: 14 (his first year)
2011: 23
2012: 23
2013: 1

Texas defense:
2013: 69
2014: 26 (First season)
2015: 93 - OK, this is his bad year on D.

Yea, and what does his record look like @ Texas? We can cherry pick stats all day. The biggest concern is recruiting to me. You could MAYBE live with these putrid results if you are Texas if you saw him killing it on the recruiting trail, which above all else was supposed to be his strength. He is getting killed in recruiting. At Texas. That doesn't inspire Jersey.

 

[Caliknight]

There is this:

UL total defense:
2009: 65
2010: 14 (his first year)
2011: 23
2012: 23
2013: 1

Texas defense:
2013: 69
2014: 26 (First season)
2015: 93 - OK, this is his bad year on D.

Yea, and what does his record look like @ Texas? We can cherry pick stats all day. The biggest concern is recruiting to me. You could MAYBE live with these putrid results if you are Texas if you saw him killing it on the recruiting trail, which above all else was supposed to be his strength. He is getting killed in recruiting. At Texas. That doesn't inspire Jersey.

 

[Caliknight]

Herman please! He's the only guy I'd take on that list over Schiano.

BTW I'm surprised that Golden isn't on your list since people on the round table are saying JH really likes him (i'd hate for golden to be HC... yuck...)

If our AD likes Golden, that tells me she doesn't know how to choose a coach.

 

[Scarlet16E]

Can Schiano build another house next to his last one? The BOG could carve off another acre from the ecology preserve. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

 

[Ru2bnj]

If they move on from Flood, I don't see Schiano, Davis (are you kidding?), Strong or Herman. This is going to be driven by money and RU isn't going to be able to outbid and convince any of these guys to take the RU job. There are probably going to be at least 14 or 15 major college openings by early Dec, RU isn't a destination that is going be at the top of the coaches in demand list of possible jobs.

 

[RUinPinehurst]

The only people on that list that I like are Herman and Strong but considering the financial wherewithal to pull that kind of move off, I'm skeptical of their realism. Davis would be a good recruiter, he assembled an ungodly amount of talent when he was at Miami even by their standards. He did it again at UNC to a lesser degree. The UNC academic stuff would have to be addressed but was that more institutional than actually a Davis problem. He's also got that letter from the NCAA absolving him too. I still think it would be unlikely here. Schiano I don't want back and would rather turn the page and no thanks to Fleck as well.

"Academic stuff," eh? Davis knew very well what was going on with his players and the cheating and agent connectivity. Davis may have walked into a pre-existing "system" put in place to keep student-athletes academically eligible, but he knew of and benefited from the system. In addition, FB tutor Jennifer Wiley wrote bunches of papers for a dozen of Davis' players. She also was charged by the Orange County DA with four charges related to her role as a liaison between a sports agent and FB players; those charges were dropped in exchange for her cooperation with the Wainstein investigation. She was also the private tutor of Davis son, a UNC student.

Davis is not what RU needs.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

If they move on from Flood, I don't see Schiano, Davis (are you kidding?), Strong or Herman. This is going to be driven by money and RU isn't going to be able to outbid and convince any of these guys to take the RU job. There are probably going to be at least 14 or 15 major college openings by early Dec, RU isn't a destination that is going be at the top of the coaches in demand list of possible jobs.

The fact of the matter is that no one knows how much money RU is able to spend. If we are willing and able to spend on staff, we will attract a quality coach. The rest is just noise.

 

[MoobyCow]

Yea, and what does his record look like @ Texas? We can cherry pick stats all day. The biggest concern is recruiting to me. You could MAYBE live with these putrid results if you are Texas if you saw him killing it on the recruiting trail, which above all else was supposed to be his strength. He is getting killed in recruiting. At Texas. That doesn't inspire Jersey.

I was replying to your post which said it was 'too bad he couldn't take Bridgewater with him, now he has to coach and recruit'. Which would seem to imply that TB was the only reason he had any success. No doubt he is bombing at Texas, but I think just ignoring what he did on defense at UL, or saying it was all TB is pretty shortsighted for a guy who finished one of his seasons with the #1 defense in the country.

I'm not sold on him, but his record certainly has merit to it outside of having one good QB.

 

[MoobyCow]

If they move on from Flood, I don't see Schiano, Davis (are you kidding?), Strong or Herman. This is going to be driven by money and RU isn't going to be able to outbid and convince any of these guys to take the RU job. There are probably going to be at least 14 or 15 major college openings by early Dec, RU isn't a destination that is going be at the top of the coaches in demand list of possible jobs.

I don't see much evidence that they would have to 'outbid' anyone for Schiano or Davis. That's not to say they are my preference, but I don't see a bidding war being the problem with those guys.

 

[RUinPinehurst]

I really do suspect that Schiano is on standby for season's end and that he wants to make things right at RU. I also suspect he would be flexible in terms of the $ it would take to re-insert him into the program. He can take the program back to respectability in a few years, and at that time the B1G $ will be flowing in to a larger degree, making greater improvements possible.

 

[NorthNJRUFan]

Why would they go for Christobal when they can have a former NFL coach in Schiano? Dumb decision imo. The only coach i'd want over Schiano would be Herman on that list.

Maybe that tells you that Schiano is quite overrated everywhere except for this board. That being said Id love to have him instead of Flood. But he wouldnt be top of my list.

 

[MoobyCow]

Maybe that tells you that Schiano is quite overrated everywhere except for this board. That being said Id love to have him instead of Flood. But he wouldnt be top of my list.

While I agree that Schiano is overrated on this board, I have a damn hard time seeing what Christobal has done to be at the front of anyone's list.

 

[Scarlet16E]

I really do suspect that Schiano is on standby for season's end and that he wants to make things right at RU. I also suspect he would be flexible in terms of the $ it would take to re-insert him into the program. He can take the program back to respectability in a few years, and at that time the B1G $ will be flowing in to a larger degree, making greater improvements possible.

Was the Blackhawk flyover a hint from the administration that Greg and his chopper are coming back?

 

[ClassOf02]

I really do suspect that Schiano is on standby for season's end and that he wants to make things right at RU. I also suspect he would be flexible in terms of the $ it would take to re-insert him into the program. He can take the program back to respectability in a few years, and at that time the B1G $ will be flowing in to a larger degree, making greater improvements possible.

I'm starting to think this may be the case as well. While I'm not sure he would be my top choice, he wouldn't be my last, and if nothing else, we'd have an identity again.

 

[ru66]

Love to have schiano back but doubt ot

 

[willisneverrana43]

This is what I am hearing from very good sources within Rutgers:

Flood to be fired for cause shortly after season is over. . . .

Fired for cause? I think you mean just fired. Big difference.

 

[RU85inFla]

Fired for cause? I think you mean just fired. Big difference.

Willis - remember that big investigation that is going on. The one that was announced right after the suspension. Some suspecting RU getting ducks in a row,

 

[lighty]

Maybe that tells you that Schiano is quite overrated everywhere except for this board.

I guess that's why his last job was in the NFL, right?

 

[RUnTime]

This is what I am hearing from very good sources within Rutgers:

Flood to be fired for cause shortly after season is over.

Julie's short list is as follows:

Schiano
Herman
Strong
Davis
Fleck

Probably why the report on the investigation of the FB program has not been released. They will fold this in with Floods termination at the end of the FB season.

No brainer if Schiano wants the job. Can come back here and turn this thing around pretty quickly IMO. Knows RU, knows NJ, most importantly can recruit NJ. I would prefer a defensive coach for NE football and Schiano is my choice for HC. I would renew my season tickets with a GS hire.

Take a chance on an outsider and the rebuild may take longer or could very well be unsuccessful.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Willis - remember that big investigation that is going on. The one that was announced right after the suspension. Some suspecting RU getting ducks in a row,

OH, I remember it well. But I also know it's not a "get whatever you want out of it investigation." What I mean by that is that the likelihood that the investigation will both come up with a reason to fire Flood for cause and do so just after the last game are slim and none. It's even less likely that the AD would have already decided to fire Flood after the season and be successfully predicting that the report will find "cause" but not for two weeks. And it's even less likely that RU already has the results from the study, preliminary or final, but is waiting until after the season to fire their coach for cause because of improper behavior. There's no such thing. You'd fire that guy immediately.

So, yes, I know that for many fans this unfinished investigation is a potential fountain of great things. But treatment of it to fire Flood just after the season ends for cause would open a whole bunch of questions and offer Flood a pretty darn good lawsuit. Which is why that will never happen. If the investigation finds cause, they fire Flood immediately.

All of that is to say, if RU fires Flood just after the Maryland game, it won't be for cause.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Probably why the report on the investigation of the FB program has not been released. They will fold this in with Floods termination at the end of the FB season.. . . .

This makes not an ounce of real-world sense.

 

[LC-88]

This makes not an ounce of real-world sense.

Ahhhh....agree, but look who we are talking about. "real-world" is a strech here.

 

[RUchip]

Strong makes way to much money. Throw that name out now.

Butch Davis will be 64 and hasn't coached in years. Dear God please no

 

[willisneverrana43]

I've assumed that Strong, if on any real list, would be there anticipating that Texas still wants to get rid of him.

But I agree with you generally. The chances of this list being anything but a complete guess are slim.

 

[lighty]

Butch Davis will be 64 and hasn't coached in years. Dear God please no

Actually I think Butch Davis would be a great choice. He's had experience for major programs. Could grab some good players out of Florida and would be a nice choice to go a few years until the Big Ten money really kicks in.

I'd trust someone with his experience as a safer bet than an up-and-coming coordinator. You could find the next great coach or find someone who winds up over their head. If RU could get a guy like Davis, I think it would be a great fit. Perfect scenario is he brings RU back to respectability, gets us middle of the pack in the conference (where I think we should be) and then retires when RU has the money to go after a truly top coach.

 

[Piscataway]

Hold Please...Dialing Julie and conferencing Bob...lol...

yes, it's Hudson and I have Greg Brown here...good good...how are you? excellent...anyhoo...folks on Scarlet Nation want to know what happens if Fludd wins a bowl game? Yes yes I know it's funny...but they really want to know

Well, what did they say?

 

[G- RUnit]

Bob Davie or Butch Davis work for me. Davie just got a New Mexico team bowl eligible in year 4 after consecutive years before him of 1-11, 1-11, and 1-11. Charlie Strong is 7-6, 7-6, 6-7 and 4-6 without Teddy Bridgewater. Even with his good Teddy Bridgewater years he was 37-15. Not as good as Bobby Petrino who was 41-9.

 

[scarletmaniac828]

Don't overlook Charlie Strong! He has prior history with Julie. I feel that he has not been successful at Texas, only because it's Texas(that's all I need to say about that). And, CS is CS. Never was a good fit. But, I do like his character, recruiting skills, and understanding the game.

I don't see Strong leaving Texas just yet. And, if he does he would most likely look at South Carolina, a school flush with cash and outstanding new facilities. And he was an Ass't there.

 

[ru1869]

1. How good are your sources?
2. Sign me up for any of these guys
3. My ranked order of preference:

a. Herman
b. Davis
c. Schiano
d. Strong
e. Fleck​

SourceS are very good.

Flood fired for cause based upon investigation.

Next coach will have both a "name" and successful head coaching experience.

This is a requirement of donors who will be footing the bill.

 

[RUgrad75]

I think the biggest thing that has been brought up a few times is that Golden, along with Mullen, was someone she liked back in 2013 and Golden's name is being bandied about again and he's available this time. Beyond that I don't know that there's much else out there.

Any sightings in Jersey, new house building, Minmouth County?

 

[Caliknight]

As important as the head coach is, I'm interested in who that coach will bring in with him or her.

We need some killers on the recruiting trail, not just the coach.

 

[MoobyCow]

SourceS are very good.

Flood fired for cause based upon investigation.

Next coach will have both a "name" and successful head coaching experience.

This is a requirement of donors who will be footing the bill.

I like it, but how exactly does Fleck fit into the equation of 'having a name', other than he literally has a name?

 

[KnightsofChrome]

I guess that's why his last job was in the NFL, right?

This "NFL" debate or excuse keeps coming up. You do mean a coach who was not qualified to get a position, and then gets that position, but to only fail miserably. That, NFL/ Schiano connection?
Reminds me of a similar situation, now what is his name.....Oh yeah,
FLOOD!
No thanks, fool me once...fool me twice....