We have an elite defense and a horrific offense, so we’re an extremely average team. Sounds like half to me
Mag, Hyatt, Cliff
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FIRST OF ALL DIPSHIT (and I'll go there because you had to do the genius thing) I was specifically responding to the blocking post. I want a center to be consistent and I want a 4th year player to be better than he was when he was a Soph and a junior on a team that desperately needs some offense. How bout some consistency? Do YOU understand that concept? You think he's been that this year? Who exactly played the center this game? Or go ahead and quote his stats for the most important last 5.. His shot blocking is up. BFD..everything else is down. The TEAM is LOSING . That's what i responded to.
2023-2024 all B1G Pre-Season Team selection. You think he's gonna be it post season? You wanna place a bet?
2023-24 Preseason All-Big Ten Team
(Unanimous selections in ALL CAPS)- TERRENCE SHANNON JR., 5th YEAR, G, ILLINOIS
- Julian Reese, Jr., F, Maryland
- JAHMIR YOUNG, 5th YEAR, G, MARYLAND
- Dawson Garcia, Jr., F, Minnesota
- A.J. Hoggard, Sr., G, Michigan State
- Tyson Walker, Grad., G, Michigan State
- Keisei Tominaga, Sr., G, Nebraska
- BOO BUIE, Grad., G, NORTHWESTERN
- ZACH EDEY, Sr., C, PURDUE
- Clifford Omoruyi, Sr., C, Rutgers
i had a bagel the other day. the bottom half was plain but the top half was an everything side. two equal halves. one I spit out, the other i really enjoyed and was tasty. No bagel shops survived with only a half tasty bagel. 😁
Cliff and most particularly Reese stand out on that list as the biggest letdowns. Reese playing with Young too, talk about disappointing year for Maryland.
This thread sponsored by all who "were willing to move on" from Cam and Mulcahy.
The Cliff haters are clueless. Every player has flaws and strengths. Cliff’s are extreme on each side. When he leaves it will be hard to replace his production and impact on defense.
Also don't forget that mag literally stole NIL money and then mailed it in. Guy is a dirty thief.
People said the same about Paul last year.
It only works if you have a capable replacement.
If next year was a rebuilding year I'd be fine with Lathan and Egbole and doing some portal value shopping at Center. But next year is our go for broke year with two lottery picks. Cliff is a sure thing.
Myles and Cliff have been the backbone to our defense. Take those 2 out of the equation i think/know you see a huge drop off on D
what has good D gotten us, this year especially? I’ll take an upgrade on O at the expense of the D. Cliff muffs entry passes more than he catches them, and he’s incapable of passing out of the post.
Simpson plays good D too. So what.
The team has been a offensive shit show and these two are the main culprits.
Simpson plays good D too. So what.
The team has been a offensive shit show and these two are the main culprits.
Yeah, until he had to sit due to fouls - then we regularly got dominated in the post. We need him desperately next year to allow Sommerville to apprentice behind him.
And who do you think provides this upgrade on offense? You think we're gonna get someone like Hunter Dickinson? Good luck with that. Lol
People who wouldn’t want Cliff on next years team should have their posting privileges revoked.
There needs to be a limit to the stupidity/ a baseline of sanity to post here
This. No one is saying Cliff is a perfect player. He has flaws, and occasionally no shows in game. But he’s still a really good big. If he entered the portal he’d be at the top of the list. But, if Cliff moves on, all is not lost. You can get bigs in the portal — SHU did well with the kid from Santa Clara — but there’s not a lot of them.
Cliff’s production on O is easy to find. Anyone who can pass, play facing the basket, can hit jumpers or has a move or two. And I mean any one of those, not all.
most every other D1 center can do at least 1 or 2 of those things. Cliff can’t do any.
Cliff’s D is unlikely to be replaceable, but if we can’t have it both ways it’s time focus on offense.
THIS...
we've been so lucky to have that back end/rim protector for years now, so many people seem to have forgot what a defense looks like without one.
plus he's getting doubled on the regular because no one fears our guards. that will change next year and his offensive numbers will look way better as well.
you do whatever you can to get him back...the alternative you are able to get will be a CLEAR downgrade.
I wouldn't exactly say desperately as I think Big O has solid potential and Pike has the portal to explore but I wouldn't scream if he did come back and frankly think the NCOTB and their style of play might serve him well.
Cliff leaving will be a massive blow to the defense if his rim protection is not replaced
Big O has potential but he’s super raw. I’m not singling you out — because a good portion of the fan base sees something with him — but I don’t see a guy that could remotely step in next year. He’s an 8-10 minute guy.
Myles never felt missed because Cliff replaced him. Let's see what happens next year.....
Lots of freshman playing major roles + losing elite rim protector all B1G defensive center is a scary combination
Pike's special sauce
1. Being a good guy that player's want to play for and families want their kids to play for
2. Shotblocking 5
1. Being a good guy that player's want to play for and families want their kids to play for
2. Shotblocking 5
He's being paid generously to do a job and he's not doing it despite being healthy. What do you call it?
You guys do realize the primary identity of next year's team is still going to be defense, right?
Yes we're adding young studs to the mix, but the program is what it is because it's the identity the coach built. Love it or not, that's what it is.
Cliff is an excellent anchor on the defense. Why anyone would willingly want him gone is baffling to me.
Yes we're adding young studs to the mix, but the program is what it is because it's the identity the coach built. Love it or not, that's what it is.
Cliff is an excellent anchor on the defense. Why anyone would willingly want him gone is baffling to me.
Because you also have to put the ball in the basket. This team cannot survive with a C who has not offensive moves, no ability to move to and anticipate a pass, and no ability to score on anything contested.(1-5, 2pts).: In the sense that he is a shot blocker he is a defensive back wall, but often lesser acclaimed Cs eat his lunch.
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