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I've stated if we make a change I'd make a run for rich rod.
I've stated if we make a change I'd make a run for rich rod.
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Disagree. First off, ASU is more popular, add their coach is simply better, and he has to compete with some huge programs out there. He could come back to the east coast utilize our athletes, get back at UM, and have realistic expectations.
Sure he would but for his O the northeast has more than enough talent. No, I think our brass has more realistic expectations than Arizona boosters.
Really I would have thought Arizona would be more popular that ASU but don't really have much knowledge about it.
I like Rich Rod but he wouldn't be on top of my list. You might say that's crazy talk but he's like a reverse Charlie Strong to me. I like both of them mind you, probably Strong a little more though. Good coach who had some success but just like I think Strong's biggest issues is finding a good OC, I think Rich Rod has problems with his defense. At WVU his defenses were pretty good but since then he's had trouble. His offenses were improving at Michigan but his defense was an issue and what on earth made him think of hiring Greg Robinson? He's reunited with his long time DC at Arizona, Jeff Casteel, but his defenses there have had issues too except for 1 year I think.
I like offensive coaches and ones who can create high powered offenses and Rich Rod can do that with his read option/spread option offense but I've said you still need a mediocre defense. Can he do that consistently? I don't know. So I like him as a coach but that would still be one issue for me and he's married to his 3-3-5 and his coordinator and not sure he'd ever change either.
I think he'd be good hire for Maryland. Don't know if he'd leave Arizona though despite what that blurb said. I've always read he liked hit there. He's also got those shares last year in some MLP but he only gets them if he sticks around for awhile, I think 7-8 years. I think his buyout might be manageable like 500-750K or something like that.
I like Rich Rod but he wouldn't be on top of my list. You might say that's crazy talk but he's like a reverse Charlie Strong to me. I like both of them mind you, probably Strong a little more though. Good coach who had some success but just like I think Strong's biggest issues is finding a good OC, I think Rich Rod has problems with his defense. At WVU his defenses were pretty good but since then he's had trouble. His offenses were improving at Michigan but his defense was an issue and what on earth made him think of hiring Greg Robinson? He's reunited with his long time DC at Arizona, Jeff Casteel, but his defenses there have had issues too except for 1 year I think.
I like offensive coaches and ones who can create high powered offenses and Rich Rod can do that with his read option/spread option offense but I've said you still need a mediocre defense. Can he do that consistently? I don't know. So I like him as a coach but that would still be one issue for me and he's married to his 3-3-5 and his coordinator and not sure he'd ever change either.
I think he'd be good hire for Maryland. Don't know if he'd leave Arizona though despite what that blurb said. I've always read he liked hit there. He's also got those shares last year in some MLP but he only gets them if he sticks around for awhile, I think 7-8 years. I think his buyout might be manageable like 500-750K or something like that.
No disrespect to you or Greg, but I'm baffled that people think he's going to be a top candidate for any head coaching job in a Power 5 conference.
I'm pretty confident if he wants to be a head coach it's going again it' s going to have to stop at a Group of 5 school first.
Just looking at that list, anyone who doesn't think we could do better than Flood is crazy. There are some exciting possibilities on that list. Granted none are risk free, but at this point, I think it is a far greater risk to keep Flood and his ceiling of mediocrity around for another year than to take a swing at a young up-an-comer.
Pretty much all of the up and coming names have been mentioned here one time or another in the past. Kinda of surprised Justin Fuente isn't on it. I've mentioned Venables here in the past but never really see his name mentioned that often on these carousels. He's a little bit of a hot head from I've read so if Edsall had lockerroom issues as rumored (not sure if true or not) would that kind of personality be the best choice? It's what cooled me on him a little.
You don't get a chance to coach in the NFL is you're a bad or average coach. You don't get the respect of folks like Urban Meyer or Bill Bellicheck if you're terrible. The fact that he's been sitting on his hands is likely because of the a big payeck from TB and waiting for the right opportunity.
Just because he didn't make it in Tampa doesn't mean he's a bad coach. The firestorm surrounding his tenure down there was more of a publicity/ESPN thing. And how's Lovie doing in Tampa? Living down here, I can tell you, Bucs' fans are starting to think that maybe GS wasn't so bad.
Well I don't take much from associations with legends. You're friends with who you're friends with. Terry Shea was recommended by Bill Walsh too so take those kind of associations with a grain of salt. If you coach under and learn under these legends it's one thing, then I can see the possibility of some osmosis there. Even then it's not always the case. But just being buddies with someone and talking football etc.. isn't something I put much stock in.
This is the year he should land a job if he's going to land a HC job. You stay out too long and then you're usually forgotten. If he doesn't get one this offseason, his next job is not likely to be at a P5 HC job. I think the most logical landing spots IF they open up are Illinois/Purdue/Miami/Virginia. I could see Maryland but I don't think he's on their radar. So if not one of those 4 it could be another offseason where he goes unnoticed.
This is the year he should land a job if he's going to land a HC job. You stay out too long and then you're usually forgotten. If he doesn't get one this offseason, his next job is not likely to be at a P5 HC job. I think the most logical landing spots IF they open up are Illinois/Purdue/Miami/Virginia. I could see Maryland but I don't think he's on their radar. So if not one of those 4 it could be another offseason where he goes unnoticed.
Chip Kelly?
But more reasonable: Matt Rhule, Rich Rod, Matt Campbell, Frank Reich
I've seen Schiano's name thrown around, but I personally have zero interest in him. He did a fine job building up the Rutgers program to what it is, but I think we are aspiring for a bigger hire with UA in the fold.
Would be interesting...he'd have to keep things clean, and actually give some attention to defense.
I'm still not sure Chip Kelly will be fired so soon after being given control of the Eagles. The season isn't over yet either to say what his performance will be.
According to this article Maryland could got as high as 4M (double Edsall's salary) for their next coach and maybe more. Money helps expand your options no doubt but still have to identify the right guy whether you pay 2M or 4M. Many schools have paid big money for results that don't match. I'm still skeptical if PSU will see the return on its 4M for Franklin.
A source familiar with the financial model Anderson plans to use said that the package for the next football coach will increase significantly in order to attract a high-profile candidate. “We will be able to double it at least,” the source said.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/...-coach-randy-edsall-fired-20151008-story.html
According to this article Maryland could got as high as 4M (double Edsall's salary) for their next coach and maybe more. Money helps expand your options no doubt but still have to identify the right guy whether you pay 2M or 4M. Many schools have paid big money for results that don't match. I'm still skeptical if PSU will see the return on its 4M for Franklin.
A source familiar with the financial model Anderson plans to use said that the package for the next football coach will increase significantly in order to attract a high-profile candidate. “We will be able to double it at least,” the source said.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/...-coach-randy-edsall-fired-20151008-story.html
When RR was hired at Michigan half of the powers didn't want him, and did everything they could to work against him. In Carr's last season, three 5th year seniors stayed instead of going to the NFL (Jake Long, the qb, and a rb), made a huge difference in that teams success. A fact that many UM fans will not admit is when RR was hired the roster was a tad thin on talent, to say the least...... his D was awful there.
I didn't say he was a bad coach and I'm thankful for how he built the RU program from nothing to respectable. I just wouldn't expect his phone to be ringing off the hook.
Greg isn't a bad coach....he's a bad game day/sideline coach, and he meddles too much with the coordinators.........overall he's ok - he's a very good program organizer/recruiter (although I've heard Flood is the one with the eye for the under the radar talent at all of the camps), and a very weak on game days.
I don't hold Michigan against him too much in the sense that to switch offenses takes some time and it was improving over his 3 years. However, his defense was bad and he hired someone who IMO was highly questionable as a DC.
His defenses in Arizona haven't been that good either, except one year where it was not bad. If you've got that kind of offense I don't need that defense to be top 25-30. I'm perfectly fine with at top 50-65 total/scoring defense. It can't be very bad though otherwise eventually it catches up to you even if you're offense is very good. Just give me mediocre. He was able to do that at WVU, at Michigan/Arizona not so much and I don't see him willing to change his scheme or his long time coordinator who actually did a good job in their time together at WVU. I still like him but that's a caveat to me the same way Strong picking a good OC is also a caveat to me.
With Strong while he may not be the best at picking OCs I see the flexibility to change. He screwed up and changed OCs at Louisville/Texas and switched to a spread at Texas this year. I don't know if I see that flexibility to change for Rich Rod with regards to defense.
Why would Rich Rod leave sunny Arizona, where he has no expectations and is doing great anyway...to come to the Northeast where the weather is miserable (comparatively) and he has to play MSU, PSU, OSU and Michigan every year and compete with an infinite amount of D1 school for NJ or DMV talent all while making, MAYBE another 1m from his current salary?
As for Schiano not being able to get a job: he is chilling in beautiful, tax free Florida, getting paid 3 million not to coach, gets to watch his kids grow up for a change and hang with ESPN one day a week. Who the heck wouldn't be picky? He got called for the Pitt, Wisconsin and Michigan jobs last year. This notion that he needs to go work for Illinois to get back into coaching is silly.
As for Schiano not being able to get a job: he is chilling in beautiful, tax free Florida, getting paid 3 million not to coach, gets to watch his kids grow up for a change and hang with ESPN one day a week. Who the heck wouldn't be picky? He got called for the Pitt, Wisconsin and Michigan jobs last year. This notion that he needs to go work for Illinois to get back into coaching is silly.
You can say he's chilling in beautiful Florida collecting his money and that's fine. There's no way to know if that's by choice or not. His name can be linked to jobs but those are also rumors and there's no way to know if those are true or not either. What you do know is the longer you stay out of the game the harder it is to get back in. It's just like the job market in the "real world." You become forgotten.
Gene Chizik won a national championship, I didn't think he was that good btw but nonetheless a national champ coach. He couldn't get a job after, he collected his Auburn checks for a couple years, did ESPN and where is he now? First year back in coaching as DC for North Carolina. Rich Rod was out about a year and he came back. Tommy Tuberville was out after about year after Auburn. If Schiano doesn't get a job this offseason it'll be 2 years out.
How often do coaches come back to a P5 job after being out of coaching completely for 2 years. I'm sure it's happened but I can't think of one off the top of my head and it's certainly not usual. If he comes back it'll likely be a G5 job or DC in the NFL or something. If he doesn't get a job this offseason, I think it's unlikely his first job back will be a P5 HC job. You can sit out a year and come back but 2 years or more and not doing any sort of coaching anywhere and I think it's much tougher.
Gene Chizik won a national championship, I didn't think he was that good btw but nonetheless a national champ coach. He couldn't get a job after, he collected his Auburn checks for a couple years, did ESPN and where is he now? First year back in coaching as DC for North Carolina. Rich Rod was out about a year and he came back. Tommy Tuberville was out after about year after Auburn. If Schiano doesn't get a job this offseason it'll be 2 years out.
How often do coaches come back to a P5 job after being out of coaching completely for 2 years. I'm sure it's happened but I can't think of one off the top of my head and it's certainly not usual. If he comes back it'll likely be a G5 job or DC in the NFL or something. If he doesn't get a job this offseason, I think it's unlikely his first job back will be a P5 HC job. You can sit out a year and come back but 2 years or more and not doing any sort of coaching anywhere and I think it's much tougher.
Besides the fact that it's NEVER going to happen...
I love your logic - go hire a coach that will come here because he is more comfortable with lower expectations. Sounds like a winning strategy.
I see now why you are such a Flood sycophant.
For your sake I hope you don't hire Rich Rod although the rest of the conference would love it if you did. Had he stayed at WVU and continued having success he would have become a legend there. He could have built WVU into a destination job but didn't have the dedication to do that. He's a WVU guy but showed loyalty isn't important to him when he jumped ship for Michigan.
You know one other thing occurred to me with regards to Schiano taking a job this offseason. There's not really even a big financial incentive to sit out. He's owed 3M next year. If he takes a job minimum he's making is 1.5-2M so at most he's giving up 1-1.5M and that's made up for the fact that contract would go on beyond next season while the amount he's owed from TB stops next year. So really in terms of how much money he's made already in his career it's not a lot and that next contract would run beyond next year making up for it and then some anyway.
So there's not much reason professionally/financially to not take a job provided there's one to be had at the P5 level and that's up for debate. If he doesn't, that will be 3 seasons out of coaching altogether. I don't see a likely scenario where most, not just Schiano, get a P5 HC job after that. I suppose anything is possible but to me it's unlikely and he'd have to take a G5 job/NFL coordinator if offered.
So there's not much reason professionally/financially to not take a job provided there's one to be had at the P5 level and that's up for debate. If he doesn't, that will be 3 seasons out of coaching altogether. I don't see a likely scenario where most, not just Schiano, get a P5 HC job after that. I suppose anything is possible but to me it's unlikely and he'd have to take a G5 job/NFL coordinator if offered.
You really are a moron. Big difference between "having lower" vs realistic expectations. Arizona boosters are getting of ASU getting all the press. ASU is in the process of building Oregon like facilities and Graham is simply a better coach. It's a smart business move for him to secure a contract somewhere else.
He openly petitioned himself for the Texas job before Strong was hired. I think he realizes that he screwed up, got too caught up in the moment, of being a good organizer, of Rutgers' improvement/growth under his watch, and didn't play his hand well. If he was still at RU, he'd be in the B1G, coaching against some of the best college coaches, living in a big, beautiful house for next to nothing, making a very healthy piece of change........ah, but with all of that, he's still relish the rumors of him to Penn St. if Franklin didn't work out. He gets too caught up in himself, meddles too much w/ coordinators, and it's a shame, b/c he's a remarkable organizer. He's like a guy who's a really good poker player who picks up 800 playing poker in a casino, and throws 300 down on red on the roulette wheel walking out.....someone would whisper "if you just played poker, which you're really good at, you'd walk out a winner almost everyday"
RR has coached at Michigan and of course West Virginia which also happens to be where he's from. Not everybody is gonna see 110-115 Arizona weather as so ideal that they would never consider leaving there for another job.
Your scenario isn't taking into account taxes. High tax states like Maryland and New Jersey change this calculus in a big way.
Then there is his family, which you know is important to him.
The Maryland AD stated that the reason for the mid-year firing is that he wants to see the MD offense opened up and much less conservative than it was under Edsall, so do you really think Schiano would be the coach they want?
the AD wants to bring in a Spread/Option style offense. If they do, expect Dwayne Haskins to start taking visits.
Obviously you never know with kids, but I am very confident in saying that he is not going anywhere. He has made it clear time and time again that he is committed to the school/state, even post Edsall firing.
No one knows what will happen with commits when the HC is fired, many take the company line but go elsewhere .
As it stands now Haskins looks like he'll stay, but tomorrow or the day after might be another story.
If Dwayne committed to the school and not just because he liked the HC, Dwayne Haskins will be a Turtle. If he picked Maryland because of Edsall, he'll have to be sold on the school ( or new HC) by Maryland's staff, or he'll go elsewhere.
If Rich Rod goes to Maryland, he should take care to never accidentally enter the State of West Virginia (absent a game he needs to coach) for the sake of his own safety. The Mountaineer fans still harbor a grudge from what I understand.
I hope you get your kid, and its true that if he was more about the school than the coach this shouldn't be a deal breaker. But if you bring in a spread guy, it will be tough to keep him. Career wise, it will be a very bad decision for him to stay if that is the direction Maryland is going. After enough coaches tell him he is making a poor decision for his future, he will probably be gone. Or not...plenty of kids also make the "bad" decision. Like all the one's who get lied to about what position they are playing in college.
