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MSG Game - Announcement
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First, apparently Pikiell wanted A game at MSG, a non-conference game against a relatively marquee team, not necessarily THIS game. That could not be worked out ... so Michigan St.
Second (addressing other posters), I do not mind THAT much its a conference game ... but it IS annoying that RU is the only Big Ten team that seems to have to do this (I guess other than Penn St). And this year I suspect it will be at least 80% RU fans ... and they have opened the 400 level up (which I do not think they did last time) ... that means there is a chance you beat the RU NIT appearance (16K+, 90% RU fans) fan appearances.
I'm so bored of this debate -- but just to point out, the Michigan game a few years ago was THEIR home game.
Let's see if it continues or if this is the last one for Ace/Dylan.
Pike could have just given up if a non conference game could not be arranged
It seems it was more important to play at MSG than not, so we have this
So this game is different from the other Rutgers conference games at MSG. Rutgers will control the gate, host a pregame pep rally, and the stadium will only feature Rutgers branding and in-game production. My one issue with the last game was that it should have never been considered a Rutgers home game because it was an event controlled by the Big Ten and Fox. Now I have no issues with this being a home game since that's exactly what it is.
When was this exactly? Here is our WAB under Pike 8 (D1 opponent) games into each season:
16-17: +0.1 (we were 7-0 in Q4 games and lost a Q1 game on the road at Miami)
17-18: -1.5
18-19: -0.5
19-20: -0.9
20-21: +2.2
21-22: -2.2
22-23: -0.3
23-24: -1.2
24-25: -0.9
So unless you are going to count 16-17 (and tbh going 7-1 in that stretch was exciting at the time but we all knew we weren't going to the tournament) we have been on track to this point in the season exactly once, and our worst start out of all of them ended up making the tournament (though I would argue that was basically a miracle tbh).
Here is the lowest point we've reached in each season:
16-17: -5.9 (at 13-17 before closing the season 2-1)
17-18: -7.3 (13-18 at end of regular season before the BTT run, again closing 2-1)
18-19: -3.5 (end of season, though it's worth noting we hit -3.1 on Jan 18 with a home loss to Northwestern and were only -0.4 the rest of the way)
19-20: -1.1 (after losing to Michigan St on 12/8)
20-21: N/A (Technically we were never below zero so our lowest point was 0.0 at the start of the season. We did fall to +0.2 at the end of our five game losing streak in January.)
21-22: -2.3 (after that Northwestern OT loss on the road). To be fair we finished (pre tourney) at -0.7 and got in on the strength of our good wins much more than the actual win total.
22-23: -1.8 (after the NIT loss). Pre tourney, we were at -1.3 after the Seton Hall loss and again at -1.3 at the end of the regular season. We got to -1.0 after the BTT.
23-24: -3.9 (end of season)
Currently we are at -0.9. We've been at a worse point at some part of every single season under Pike except one. And that one was a strange season with 4 OOC games and none away from the RAC.
That could not be worked out? Is the best we could come up with?
So let’s play MSU at the Garden again.
Sounds like an ineffectual AD to many.
I would much prefer to play a noncon game at MSG. Giving up home court for a game sucks, that three points matters. This is especially the case if NET refuses to grade it as a neutral site game.
That said, blaming MSG for things like Mag getting hurt (or losing at halftime?? who cares?) is crazy.
That said, blaming MSG for things like Mag getting hurt (or losing at halftime?? who cares?) is crazy.
Hardly ignoring and know what Pike said in public. If he promised Dylan and Ace a Garden game just say it.
No explanation why no out of conference games. Could have elaborated more.
I love Pike but last time this happened he was adamantly against it.
So have to take his explanation with a grain of salt.
Good AD gets a non conference game in the Garden.
And any RU has a right to be ticked we are not getting Izzo at the RAC and once again giving up a home game.
We have had this game with an AD
Now we see it without an AD
My best guess is, that Pike might not have wanted the game the first time, but liked it enough, saw the benefit of it, where he pursued it now
That makes sense,?
Buy a bridge in Brooklyn?
Giving away a home conference game IMHO never makes sense.
If it was a recruiting promise….
Gotta do better than giving away home conference games…
Giving away a home conference game IMHO never makes sense.
If it was a recruiting promise….
Gotta do better than giving away home conference games…
It seems pretty clear that Pikiell's preferences were
Non conference MSG game > conference MSG game > no MSG game
You may disagree but that's where we are.
Non conference MSG game > conference MSG game > no MSG game
You may disagree but that's where we are.
That's not what we're comparing. We're comparing performance at MSG vs performance at the RAC.
This game is different from all the other ones. He wasn't upset with the game itself, he was upset that it was considered a Rutgers home game. The last game was a Big Ten/Fox organized event, but for some reason it was considered a Rutgers home game. This year Rutgers will be running all gameday operations and MSG will only have Rutgers branding around the arena so it makes sense that it would be considered a home game.
It’s MSG. Nobody else in the B10 has it. Big stage. Big event. Rutgers wanted it. Pikes wanted it. For those who didn’t keep whining or get over it.
This is much better than how our prior MSG games were managed and played out.
Definitely seems like we will have most of the control this year and it will be as much of a home game as possible which was evident starting with the way they are handling tickets (first priority is going to RU season ticket holders at a reduced rate / up to 12 tickets per account).
If this is the case it makes a home conference game at MSG much easier to swallow and we should essentially have home court advantage assuming our fanbase shows up in full force.
Still would prefer not to give a conference game at the RAC away but if we do it has to be under these conditions.
I'm looking forward to this game. It should be an electric environment and a great experience for the team playing in a large venue in front of a noisy crowd. The experience will help them come tournament time.
No we are considering giving away a home conference game. Not performance levels.
I and many fans have no issue with playing non conference games at MSG or Newark.
Pike wasn’t happy with MSU game last time before NCAA’s last minute decision previous game.
Get over it? Rizzo hasn’t come to The RAC in how many years and one fan’s reaction is get over it? That’s not much of an RU fan.
well this makes things alot better than seeing Sparty cheerleaders and band
And hundreds if not thousands of MSU fans with choice seats in the house for our “home” game. And Sparty introductions ….
I think too many people are caught up in OLD MEDIA...no one except people over 45 care what network is broadcasting things...young people are literally satifisfied with streaming things on a tiny 6 inch screen and watching it. Yeah its great we are on CBS because somehow they avoided us even in the Pike glory years but its really no different than being on espn or fs1 or fox or btn..
the bottom line is winning games
the bottom line is winning games
It’s more playing in the Garden than the CBS game. I get it’s NYC but it’s not the same Garden either. I liked the old Garden better. More character and noise. It’s now the same as any other arena. That’s why I cringe at any RAC renovation.
Okay but why are you upset that they're giving away a home conference game? It's because you think they're giving away the home court advantage, right? I'm saying that when you compare the performances with common opponents in the same season it shows that Rutgers plays just as well, if not better, at MSG and no competitive advantage is lost.
Will the Rutgers human leaf blowers - DJ PJ Mullen and public address announcer Joe Nolan - be responsible for the noise at this game?
I went to the Travis Scott show at Madison Square Garden and my ears were ringing for days. Quite the sound system in MSG.
Might want to keep DJ PJ back in Piscataway for this one.
I don't think this has been brought up in the thread, but will this game be considered home or neutral on our tournament resume? I think the previous one was still counted as a home game. Hopefully that will change.
Not really 100% serious with this one but on the other hand, don’t mess with the basketball gods, don’t mess with the routine, and like it or not, it happened at the Garden and not the RAC. Food for thought. Maybe MSU played a tad more aggressive at MSG than they would at the RAC? Not beyond the realm of possibility.
I do know this, last two times we played at the RAC, it wasn’t a contest. At MSG, we were behind at the half. I also know that Rizzo will go more than 5 years not playing at the RAC.
Also know B1G immediately sent us on a quick turnaround away game. Never allows RU a homestand or to gain momentum or confidence and rest.
As a diehard RU fan and long time season tix holder I have earned the right to question that and certainly bring it up on a message board and don’t have to drink the koolaid.
Respectfully, you have repeated the same
arguments for over a year, and none of them are valid
1) we lost to Wisconsin by a point
The fact is, we might have lost at home by 10, you can’t assume anything when it comes to basketball
2). We were losing by a couple against MS at the half
So what? How is that even a point? It doesn’t matter
Are we to assume we would be way ahead at home?
You can’t use a previous years score as an example
3). Mag?
Just stop
That is flat out ridiculous and you should know it
Maybe we have to play every single game at home to prevent injuries
If we played at MState, he could get hurt there, but not our court ?
Finally, you should just accept that Pike, and Rutgers WANTS this game, and does not care about giving up a RAC game
It was never Izzos fault, it was brought up by our side
Your complaint should be aimed at Pike and the school, but not for the three examples you keep using
You can be upset the game was moved, but your examples don’t work at all
This will be considered a home as that is how it is being treated.
Please curb your righteous indignation.
1. Do you honestly believe we have a better chance winning at the Garden or at the RAC?
Yes we lost to Wisconsin by one at the Garden.
Even Eddie Jordan beat Wisconsin at the RAC.
That’s exhibit 1 for playing at the RAC.
2. Yes I think we have a much better time of winning and winning big over MSU at the RAC 2x then at the Garden. We struggled at the Garden and were in a dog fight. You might not like it but that’s what happened. Hard to convincingly argue against.
3. Where’s our makeup game at the Garden the last two years where our opponent had to give away their home game? Oh right it hasn’t happened?
4. So the year after RU gives up a home game with MSU at the Garden, RU plays MSU once and its away. In what world is that fair?
If you don’t think that’s odd or benefitting Izzo?
Well we have a difference of opinion but hardly ridiculous. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck? Get it? Ducking the RAC?
And as much as you want to protest has any other school gone as long not playing at the other teams arena as Izzo and MSU?
5. I get Pike promised Ace and Dylan a game at MSG. I am firmly against giving away home conference games. I see Duke and Illinois playing in the Garden. How did that happen? Which teams did we try? Villanova played Maryland at the Pru. Why not RU v Nova at the Garden one year and Wells Fargo the next? I think RU fans deserve a better explanation than we tried. Maybe if we had a focused AD?
6. I admit Mags injury is a stretch and weakest argument but how much of a stretch? Truth is injury happened at the Garden not the RAC, more travel didnt need, more wear and tear (no pun intended), changed the routine, different floor, ice underneath?, different stress outside the norm. Is it that far fetched?
7. Then B1G sends RU off to a quick away game after emotional game. On the other hand MSU gets a home game. Hmmmmm. No benefit to Izzo right? Fair to RU?? Hmmmmmm.
Ridiculous conjecture or 💯 on point?
Fair subject for commentary.
1. Do you honestly believe we have a better chance winning at the Garden or at the RAC?
Yes we lost to Wisconsin by one at the Garden.
Even Eddie Jordan beat Wisconsin at the RAC.
That’s exhibit 1 for playing at the RAC.
2. Yes I think we have a much better time of winning and winning big over MSU at the RAC 2x then at the Garden. We struggled at the Garden and were in a dog fight. You might not like it but that’s what happened. Hard to convincingly argue against.
3. Where’s our makeup game at the Garden the last two years where our opponent had to give away their home game? Oh right it hasn’t happened?
4. So the year after RU gives up a home game with MSU at the Garden, RU plays MSU once and its away. In what world is that fair?
If you don’t think that’s odd or benefitting Izzo?
Well we have a difference of opinion but hardly ridiculous. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck? Get it? Ducking the RAC?
And as much as you want to protest has any other school gone as long not playing at the other teams arena as Izzo and MSU?
5. I get Pike promised Ace and Dylan a game at MSG. I am firmly against giving away home conference games. I see Duke and Illinois playing in the Garden. How did that happen? Which teams did we try? Villanova played Maryland at the Pru. Why not RU v Nova at the Garden one year and Wells Fargo the next? I think RU fans deserve a better explanation than we tried. Maybe if we had a focused AD?
6. I admit Mags injury is a stretch and weakest argument but how much of a stretch? Truth is injury happened at the Garden not the RAC, more travel didnt need, more wear and tear (no pun intended), changed the routine, different floor, ice underneath?, different stress outside the norm. Is it that far fetched?
7. Then B1G sends RU off to a quick away game after emotional game. On the other hand MSU gets a home game. Hmmmmm. No benefit to Izzo right? Fair to RU?? Hmmmmmm.
Ridiculous conjecture or 💯 on point?
Fair subject for commentary.
You clearly don't understand how something as complex as the the Big Ten schedule gets made if you think someone is sitting down and drilling that deep. You sound completely ridiculous
Its not difficult
We have two generational talents
We have a chance to play in the world‘s most famous arena, versus a first ballot, Hall of Fame coach on national TV
You take that opportunity every day of the week, and twice on Saturdays
We have two generational talents
We have a chance to play in the world‘s most famous arena, versus a first ballot, Hall of Fame coach on national TV
You take that opportunity every day of the week, and twice on Saturdays
A lot of schools do this, they have a “student only” game at their smaller “old school” gym. Don’t forget, these are college kids and it’s their classmates playing. It’s supposed to be fun. A Barn student-only game against a smuck opponent would be awesome
This is reminiscent of the scene in My Cousin Vinny when Pesci asks the witness if grits cook faster on his stove than all the stoves in the rest of the grit-eating world. “Do the laws of physics cease to exist on your stove?!”
Are the laws of physics different on the MSG court than on the RAC court that would have “caused” Mag’s ACL to tear when he landed his foot on the ground after grabbing that rebound?
