Myles Johnson vs Cliff
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I also think Cliff is more athletic than Myles. But Myles to me showed more improvement every season.
Myles was a much better passer. Cliff is now a better free throw shooter.
If I recall Myles had really strong hands especially on rebounds and was decent around the rim and as a passer.
Cliff runs the floor better and is more athletic and active is able to rotate out/in on D super quick. Dissapointed that he did not continue to develop a decent mid-range shot and more polished footwork & finishing in ISO with his back to the rim on O.
Cliff runs the floor better and is more athletic and active is able to rotate out/in on D super quick. Dissapointed that he did not continue to develop a decent mid-range shot and more polished footwork & finishing in ISO with his back to the rim on O.
Rutgers needs a assistant coach that can concentrate on improving the overall performance of centers .
I know Cliff is desperately trying to advance his draft status whether NBA or abroad, but he actually made the last couple of his short range jumpers. Meanwhile, I don't think I recall ever seeing Myles take an outside shot. Although, I can't tell for sure yet if that's a good thing.
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Cliff missed the last short range jumper he took, and the announcers spoke about how that is the exact shot Maryland would love us to take.
I saw a post somewhere speculating that Pike may be trying to get Jay Young to come back.
They are both very good big men and we were lucky to have them.
They were very similar. Offensively cliff is a better scorer and Myles a better passer. Defensively Myles a little better rebounder and steals and Cliff a little better shot blocker. Myles more likely to get into foul trouble. Overall very close. This is Myles at ru. He wasn’t as good at ucla. Significant drop off actually.
Cliff is also asked to do a lot more. Myles was one of the most efficient scorers in America his last couple RU seasons, but did so on half the # of attempts Cliff takes.
Also, with a strong close to the season, Cliff could feasibly finish with the best block % in the B1G since 2006 — at 12.57%, he’s still way off Hamady Ndiaye’s absurd 14.51% in 2010
Also, with a strong close to the season, Cliff could feasibly finish with the best block % in the B1G since 2006 — at 12.57%, he’s still way off Hamady Ndiaye’s absurd 14.51% in 2010
Was he bad though? just seems like he didn’t get much run. 63% eFG, nationally ranked in offensive and defensive rebounding % and was a good rim protector
Myles was better
1. He did a better job defending most bigs
2. He stayed in his lane on offense and didn't demand the ball 12 feet from the basket
3. Was a much better passer
There shot blocking was even and Myles was also a better offensive rebounder
1. He did a better job defending most bigs
2. He stayed in his lane on offense and didn't demand the ball 12 feet from the basket
3. Was a much better passer
There shot blocking was even and Myles was also a better offensive rebounder
Despite Cliff having slightly better rebounding numbers than Myles, I am never confident that Cliff will come down with a contested board. Never had that feeling with Myles.
Yes, our defensive strategy that year could be described as "four guys stand there and hope Ndiaye blocks it"
Kind of ironic since Myles had probably one of the most important failed rebounds in a long time.
(And I think Myles was great, this isn't a shot at him overall)
Myles got into way more foul trouble and Cliff is a better offensive option, I will give the edge to Cliff
with Myles in the game, it was 4 on 5 on offense. He was only supposed to get out of the way, same as at UCLA. Terribly useless on offense.
If you point to ORebs, if he averaged more it was because he wasn’t guarded. He was that bad.
On defense, it’s arguable he was better than Cliff because he wasn’t out of position nearly as often. However, since he was useless on offense he’d be outscored 2 or 3 to 1 by the other big. That doesn’t usually happen with Cliff.
Warts and all I’ll take Cliff over Myles all week long and twice on Sunday.
If you point to ORebs, if he averaged more it was because he wasn’t guarded. He was that bad.
On defense, it’s arguable he was better than Cliff because he wasn’t out of position nearly as often. However, since he was useless on offense he’d be outscored 2 or 3 to 1 by the other big. That doesn’t usually happen with Cliff.
Warts and all I’ll take Cliff over Myles all week long and twice on Sunday.
My wife says no brainer: Myles didn’t drop the ball. So there you go.
Mostly because they didn’t pass it to him, and when they did he would somehow kick it or deflect with his elbows. So technically, yes. He didn’t drop it much. He turned it over before he managed to grab it first.
Cliff has become much better at avoiding fouls and staying on the floor. Cliff has given us more "full" games. Cliff obviously more athletic and runs the floor better. Cliff better perimeter defender. Cliff better shot blocker, but close on this one. Myles did alter a ton of shot without being credited for a block shot.
Myles had awesome hands. Cliff's are below average. Myles was a better rebounder (both ends). Myles better post defender.
I'll take Cliff, but not throwing shade at Myles. Love both guys.
Myles had awesome hands. Cliff's are below average. Myles was a better rebounder (both ends). Myles better post defender.
I'll take Cliff, but not throwing shade at Myles. Love both guys.
If Cliff had Myles hands he would be unbelievable
metrics (which are very flawed admittedly) has Myles a better offensive player. More assists, more OREB% and better FG%
holy sh!t
Myles dunks 14-40-32
Cliff 17-93-73-39
Maybe i want to rethink my evaluation of Cliff on offense.
You’re not following. It’s per one hundred possessions you need to look at not per game. Per game is even worse.
So he was 12 points and 18 rebounds per 100 possessions, which isn't great but that speaks to his low usage rate. My point more so is that he was he was still a solid rebounder/shot blocker and an efficient, albeit low volume, scorer.
Still a solid player agree but across the board his stats were down. If you compare Myles last year at ru to cliff this year they are very similar. Cliff to Myles at ucla it’s cliff by a landslide.
Cliff has a drop step but agree Myles drop step was more polished.
What drove me crazy was so many of his fouls were dumb fouls out on the perimeter setting picks. He always spread out his legs too wide and couldn‘t stay still. He was solid in the post, better man defender than Cliff.
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